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I'm Armenian. I love guns and so do a lot of my family members and friends. Don't forget that Armenian people are generally politically conservative. They're not a bunch of hippy liberals. Corruption has nothing to do with this ban. This is about politicians trying to get reelected by passing stupid laws that make it look like they are "doing something" about gun violence.
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What a fantastic case that would be. ETA: Also, Glendale likely has senior apartments with age limits that are city-contracted...so what, seniors have to give up their 2A rights to get subsidized senior housing? As an aside, what gun show attorney allowed a terminate-for-convenience clause in that contract? I'll bet if they had pushed hard they could have negotiated that out. Last edited by meyerlemony; 03-24-2013 at 4:52 PM.. |
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I don't see the big deal. Move the gun show to a non-city owned venue, hold them 10 times as often and thumb your nose at the City. You are folding like a cheap tent. I'm sure that there is a pro 2A convention center somewhere in Glendale.
BTW - did the NRA and CGF apply any pressure? (sorry, it's my pet peeve) |
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And please.. "See all non whites as immigrants" ha! I highly applaud that statement, now that's genius!! Lets see: My grandmothers name is Domichella Dominica Pesh, Italian, from New York...I wonder how she got there ?? My grandfathers name is Jose Diaz, born in Puerto Rico, lives in Mexico.. Huh. I find it interesting that someone could jump to conclusions about someone they clearly do not know, and because I use the term "white" loosely, that I consider all other non whites immigrants lol. Ok. I guess having a child with a woman from Central America 12 years ago was just out of "spite" too. Lmfao. Oh one last thing for you genius: I don't live in Burbank because I can't..but because I can. I dream of classic American muscle cars, not BMW's.. And yes..I can Quote:
Also, btw confusion. Being you've now mentioned "non of THEM can drive", you have passed judgement on the whole ethnic group of people for bad driving. That would be no different than saying Asians can't drive, or white men can't jump. You my friend, are guilty of a racist remark. See how easy it happens?...
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But in a nutshell you don't make sense at all, most of your arguments prove my point. |
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This is the height of Armenian stupidity.
The Turks disarmed them, destroyed them, slaughtered them, and you have the oft mentioned Genocide and Armenian Diaspora. Apparently they didn't learn squat since they continue electing idiots like Manoukian who specifically called out in the Dais that he's seeking help from Feinstein, President Obama and the rest in keeping guns off the streets. Manoukian would just as soon disarm, which is a shame given his oath during his time in the Air Force to defend the constitution - he took a similar oath as a councilperson. Many of the Armenians that I went to Roosevelt Junior High, High School and Glendale College were there to protest the gun show. Even the Valedictorian in my class ran an intransigent facebook page. Shame on them.
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Election Candidates
Here is the link to all the candiates:
http://www.glendalevotes.org/MeetCan...tyCouncil.aspx Who should I vote for? My only consideration is upholding the 2A. Everything else takes a backseat. |
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Here's what the NRA said about who to vote for... the guy Herbert Molano has allegedly said he supports the gun show.
Election Action Alert: City Council Elections Next Week Could Provide an Opportunity to Repeal the Glendale Gun Show Ban On March 19, the Glendale City Council voted 3-2 to adopt an ordinance presented by the City Attorney to ban the possession and sale of firearms and ammunition on all city property. The purpose and effect of this ordinance is to end the Glendale Gun Show, which has been held in a city-owned facility for decades without incident. The show’s promoter had a contract with the city for five more shows. As of now, those five gun shows are canceled. While the gun show may have been the main target, this ordinance not only takes away the ability of people to lawfully defend themselves on public property in Glendale, but would also make you a criminal if you simply have ammunition or your child’s BB gun or even toy gun in your vehicle and enter a city-owned parking lot. Worse yet, there is no requirement for public notice. Glendale residents are already paying for this ordinance. Aside from losing the $50-$60,000 annual revenue Glendale would have received from the gun show were it allowed to continue, city council members who supported the ordinance, including Laura Friedman, brought in an outside attorney to help draft it. Despite the assuredly well-paid “expert attorney” advice residents of Glendale paid for, this ordinance is unconstitutional and, if it is not repealed, the NRA has its attorneys prepared to challenge it. The NRA has been recently awarded reimbursement for its attorneys' fees for defending unlawful ordinances recently – including a checks totaling $1.4 million from the City of Chicago – the stakes are high for the Glendale taxpayer. The fight to stop this ordinance before it goes to court and to save the Glendale gun show is not over. Freedom-loving residents of Glendale can vote in the upcoming April 2 Glendale city election. The NRA urges you to vote for Ara Najarian, the council member who opposed the gun show ban and vote against Laura Friedman, the council member who supported it. Once the new City Council is sworn in, Glendale residents can petition the city council to repeal the ill-conceived ordinance and reinstate the contract with the gun show. Despite being told by Glendale Police Chief Ron De Pompa that no crime was ever traced to the gun show and that having the gun show “is not going to affect public safety in Glendale, it’s simply not,” in response to her own question (watch the video starting at 2:52 minutes), Laura Friedman voted for this ordinance because she did not want Glendale to be seen as sending a message of support for the gun show. Now you can send a message to the new City Council that restricting fundamental rights and breaching contracts with lawful businesses just because they involve legal firearms will not be tolerated by voting for Ara Najarian and voting against Laura Friedman on April 2. Please forward this alert to your family, friends and fellow gun owners in Glendale and urge them to vote in the April 2 election. Voter turnout is expected to be low, so every vote is vital. Finally, in addition to voting for Ara Najarian, send him an e-mail at anajarian@ci.glendale.ca.us thanking him for his vote supporting gun rights. Please e-mail Councilman Dave Weaver at dweaver@ci.glendale.ca.us thanking him for also standing up for the gun show. |
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I already voted, thing is you get to vote for three.
So I voted against all known or suspected antis, but after voting for Ara it was all guess work. .
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IMHO it has nothing to do with 2a b/c it does not infringe on it or at best the argument is too far fetched. It may be violative of 1a as in infringement on freedom of expression/speech. The gun show ban is a time/place/manner restriction. I will expand on this topic once I have free time.
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The question about constitutionality is not my question.
It was asked by one of the members, Ferox I believe. It's a deal. But I have a better suggestion. I am throwing a challenge, I am going to represent the people who were affected by the gun show ban and you represent the great city of Glendale, sort of like a mock trial. Now one of the rules I am proposing is it's gotta be strictly via PMs because we don't want to educate the city legislatures and second the mock trial is only based on substantive law - no procedural law ok? |
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you still have 1 more to delete Well we can argue in general terms. It does not have to involve the actual parties. Last edited by KIMBER8400; 03-29-2013 at 7:13 PM.. Reason: addition |
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In general terms, as our office stated in its letters and presentations to the city council concerning this ordinance, the ordinance raises Second and First Amendment issues, as well as Equal Protection and preemption issues. Like I said, if you have any thoughts on any of those (or think I'm missing something) you are free to e-mail or call me to discuss.
I hope this thread can now get back to discussing the election, since, as the above NRA member alert says, the newly elected city council could repeal the ordinance. That would be better than a lawsuit. |
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Unofficial Results
http://www.glendalevotes.org/
Candidate Votes Najarian, Ara James 8,615 Friedman, Laura 6,888 Sinanyan, Zareh J. 6,122 Keuroghelian, Chahe 5,860 Engel, Jr., Sam L. 4,362 Fuentes, Edith 3,545 Barnes, Rick L. 3,530 Mohill, Mike 2,457 Black, Jefferson 2,215 Molano, Herbert 2,181 Kazazian, Aram 1,518 Sadri, Ali 1,083 |
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