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Old 08-29-2013, 7:18 AM
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So now I spoke to a Supervisor and she's going to speak to her legal team to see what can be done. I guess I'm putting this up for sale with full disclosure and let someone else who is confident in getting it back deal with the recall.
I really like the gun, but this is the last Springfield Armory product I buy!
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So now I spoke to a Supervisor and she's going to speak to her legal team to see what can be done. I guess I'm putting this up for sale with full disclosure and let someone else who is confident in getting it back deal with the recall.
I really like the gun, but this is the last Springfield Armory product I buy!
Unfortunately this is the exact response I knew they were going to have.
To all the other guys in this thread that said they were going to send their guns to SA, beware!
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How did they know your not a Leo? Did u volunteer that info?
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If done through a FFL, would they should be able to ship it back to the FFL?
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If done through a FFL, would they should be able to ship it back to the FFL?

NO...
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Theres always glocks to turn to lol.... As much as i love the xds model this type of recall makes me not want to get it. Such a liability issue.
Too bad Glock does not make a single stack 9mm. The XDs is the only non Glock I have bought in a long time. I am going to my LGS this morning to see if the have talke to SA yet.
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How did they know your not a Leo? Did u volunteer that info?
You think they don't ask for proof?
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You guys have any friends that have a place out of state? If my LGS can't resolve the issue, and I decide to take delivery of the gun, I am going to have it shipped to my place in AZ. Might be an option for some of you?
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What happens to all the products that FFL have? Some FFL have XDs to sell to LEOs
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there has to be some recourse here... seriously, if purchased through legal means, even in Kalifornia, how the f*ck can they not be responsible for fixing a defect and returning the gun? sure would be nice to have more detail as well as the wording in the recall to know exactly "what conditions" or events must occur. i know we are all facing the same frustration, being that i literally just picked this gun up on tuesday, i also feel like i just burned $800 for nothing.

what the hell are we supposed to do? nobody in CA is going to buy one of these PPT now. is the only real f*ing course of action to try to sell to someone out of state? even then anyone with half a brain will now if the seller is in Kali, we have 0 leverage on a deal, we won't get a fair price.

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Mine is up for sale Full Disclosure
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=12184899
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Old 08-29-2013, 8:25 AM
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This is pure ignorance on Springfield's part and unacceptable. They must know that the XDs exists in our marketplace LEGALLY either through PPT or SSE and is just like any other gun once you have taken delivery.

What about LEO's that purchase an off roster Springfield gun and PPT to a private citizen? These guns don't deserve to be serviced?

Does anyone know if S&W is having the same issue shipping Shields back to CA?
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And why are not shipping back to FFLs?
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This is a bogus policy, as the law says they can do it legally. CZ will do it. SA better figure this out. Both my XDS's are on the recall list. This blows.
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Mine is up for sale Full Disclosure
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=12184899
That didn't take long to sell.
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Old 08-29-2013, 8:59 AM
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That didn't take long to sell.

I didn't think it would No tax and no SSE to deal with.
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Awww man! Now Im worried about my 45!!!

SON OF A!!! Just checked my serial XS649xxxxxx Im in the bad zone too!
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Old 08-29-2013, 9:22 AM
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i'm on hold now; by the way it appears their 800# is swamped/out of order. so calling direct and waiting my turn. there has to be a solution. even if it came down to they are not going to return the gun but offer some form of rebate? i know there are some more experienced people here pertaining to gun law and our possible options for resolving. the answer can't be "sorry you don't get your gun back AND you don't get compensated". i have to believe that any legal action on individual owners vs springfield is far more costly for them to deal with as opposed to finding some way to settle/offer a solution.
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Old 08-29-2013, 9:24 AM
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I've had zero problems after more than a 1000 rounds.
Standing by before I ship mine.
Hopefully I can fix it myself.
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Old 08-29-2013, 9:27 AM
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I've had zero problems after more than a 1000 rounds.
Standing by before I ship mine.
Hopefully I can fix it myself.

Doubles and slamfires are very dangerous...
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Old 08-29-2013, 9:31 AM
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Interesting...
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I just had a conversation with a rep at springfield (8/29 @ 10:30am PDT). I explained I purchased the gun via PPT, it cleared DROS, it was brought into california legally by following the SSE process.

I specifically stated I am not "LEO" and that there is a lot of confusion regarding the recall for california owners and needed to know exactly what the process will be if i send my XDS in for repair.

after listening to all the details the rep transferred me to a supervisor. her first statement was "springfield does not directly ship non-DOJ firearms to california; they are not accountable for their distributors doing". this person was specifically in charge of selling into CA for LEO/Military and was aware of the SSE process and how it is used.

She then proceeded to check with her supervisor; they are waiting for an "OK from their legal counsel". they are assuming they will receive approval. she took my info and will provide a call back once they have 100% approval from legal. she is expecting a response today or tomorrow. i will immediately post in this forum once i hear further.

she also stated there has been only a single "issue" of all guns in the serial range stated. she also stated they believe the gun is still safe, however they want to ensure there is 0 risk and would rather go through the recall/repair process.

so all of us, my advice now is take a deep breath and hold for the next 24-72 hours. they are aware that in california there is a 'mess' that needs to be dealt with, as they are not selling us the gun but only repairing it, and not any form of 'upgrading' this will likely be ok... standby...
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Could this be the problem?

Edit: I watched part of the video and thought it was a different one, my mistake.
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Wow, awfully condescending aren't ya.
I didn't know the exact problem was identified.
Maybe you can let us in on it.
Mine looks pretty beat up.
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Wow, awfully condescending aren't ya.
I didn't know the exact problem was identified.
Maybe you can let us in on it.
Mine looks pretty beat up.
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Edit: My fault, thought it was a different video. The problems are identified in the first post and through the recall website:

Springfield has determined that under exceptionally rare circumstances, some 3.3 XD-S™ 9mm and .45ACP caliber pistols could experience an unintended discharge during the loading process when the slide is released, or could experience a double-fire when the trigger is pulled once. The chance of these conditions existing is exceptionally rare, but if they happen, serious injury or death could occur.
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That explains what happens but not why it happens.
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That explains what happens but not why it happens.

Why it happens is due to an internal safety not working properly.

I posted above, I thought it was another video where a guy was having problems "Press Checking" and I was incorrect.
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I don't own an XD but thanks OP for making this PSA.
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I just got off the phone with "Debbie" at Springfield. (btw, the 800 number is swamped... I had better luck calling the 309-944-5631 number and waiting on hold for about 10 minutes)

She said that Springfield ships it directly back to the owner via FedEx.

I specifically asked if she was familiar with the legal (SSE) method of buying a non-roster handgun in CA and if there needed any FFL involvement or any issue of being non-LEO. She assured me there was no issue and agreed that it was just like the CMP shipping a Garand directly to your door.

I also asked if she had an "operator number" or if she was the only "Debbie" in the office. She laughed and said she was the only Debbie there handling the recall. Her estimate of turn around is about a month.
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I just got off the phone with "Debbie" at Springfield. (btw, the 800 number is swamped... I had better luck calling the 309-944-5631 number and waiting on hold for about 10 minutes)

She said that Springfield ships it directly back to the owner via FedEx.

I specifically asked if she was familiar with the legal (SSE) method of buying a non-roster handgun in CA and if there needed any FFL involvement or any issue of being non-LEO. She assured me there was no issue and agreed that it was just like the CMP shipping a Garand directly to your door.

I also asked if she had an "operator number" or if she was the only "Debbie" in the office. She laughed and said she was the only Debbie there handling the recall. Her estimate of turn around is about a month.

So you're sending an XDs in? Post your results since the answers keep changing from them.
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So you're sending an XDs in? Post your results since the answers keep changing from them.
That's my plan. I'll keep y'all posted.
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@nukechaser well that's good news and lines up with the information i received.

i'm proceeding with the RMA as well. brings up a good question around SSE and is it worth it...california sucks. it is amazing that not enough of us are more involved to ensure we have a government that responds to the citizens, not one that creates such a cluster F that we have to have doubt and uncertainty even when we follow the law... i'm sure all the criminals who obtained their weapons illegally lie awake at night just dying to know how they are going to deal with recalls & repairs < sarcasm folks....
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I just had a conversation with a rep at springfield (8/29 @ 10:30am PDT). I explained I purchased the gun via PPT, it cleared DROS, it was brought into california legally by following the SSE process.

I specifically stated I am not "LEO" and that there is a lot of confusion regarding the recall for california owners and needed to know exactly what the process will be if i send my XDS in for repair.

after listening to all the details the rep transferred me to a supervisor. her first statement was "springfield does not directly ship non-DOJ firearms to california; they are not accountable for their distributors doing". this person was specifically in charge of selling into CA for LEO/Military and was aware of the SSE process and how it is used.

She then proceeded to check with her supervisor; they are waiting for an "OK from their legal counsel". they are assuming they will receive approval. she took my info and will provide a call back once they have 100% approval from legal. she is expecting a response today or tomorrow. i will immediately post in this forum once i hear further.


she also stated there has been only a single "issue" of all guns in the serial range stated. she also stated they believe the gun is still safe, however they want to ensure there is 0 risk and would rather go through the recall/repair process.

so all of us, my advice now is take a deep breath and hold for the next 24-72 hours. they are aware that in california there is a 'mess' that needs to be dealt with, as they are not selling us the gun but only repairing it, and not any form of 'upgrading' this will likely be ok... standby...
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@nukechaser well that's good news and lines up with the information i received.

i'm proceeding with the RMA as well. brings up a good question around SSE and is it worth it...california sucks. it is amazing that not enough of us are more involved to ensure we have a government that responds to the citizens, not one that creates such a cluster F that we have to have doubt and uncertainty even when we follow the law... i'm sure all the criminals who obtained their weapons illegally lie awake at night just dying to know how they are going to deal with recalls & repairs < sarcasm folks....


How does that line up with the information you received? They have not given you an answer yet.
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watching this and tagged for follow up. 3 months ago I had no issue from SA when they repaired and returned an XDM (SSE'd) to me for a warranty issue.
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it lines up because the person i spoke with indicated there should be no issue, they were aware of the california market. she is only taking the extra courtesy, because of my request, to confirm at 100% before sending the gun in. multiple times in our conversation she indicated this was not going to be a problem, however they are just making sure all bases are covered, which given the current climate seems to be the prudent approach.

so that's how it lines up...
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it lines up because the person i spoke with indicated there should be no issue, they were aware of the california market. she is only taking the extra courtesy, because of my request, to confirm at 100% before sending the gun in. multiple times in our conversation she indicated this was not going to be a problem, however they are just making sure all bases are covered, which given the current climate seems to be the prudent approach.

so that's how it lines up...

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so Shenaniguns, you really out?
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so Shenaniguns, you really out?

Heck yeah, I don't have time for this nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, this is the first and last Springfield Armory product I'll ever buy.
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I've got my shipping label, but I think I'll wait a bit until I send mine in... I've got other pistols I can shoot in the meantime...
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