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http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/ab991frm.pdf However you cannot bring any high capacity magazines into the state unless you first disassemble them. And then you may not reassemble them while in the state unless you modify them to only hold 10 rounds. |
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Thanks for the clarification on gunsmithing. I have one more question: could we, as consumers, be penalized for relying on an FFL's representation that the gun we are buying is a true single shot pistol if it turns out that the FFL's configuation is faulty? In other words, if a DOJ audit finds that the barrels an FFL uses are too short or if the magazine block or lock is not adequate, could the already completed sales be nullified somehow? I understand that it is not a crime to buy an off roster gun, but I wonder if the purchase under these circumstances is vulnerable, or is the FFL the only one that needs to worry?
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I have to wonder about that since I heard that there were some firearms that were transferred under the claim that they were on the certified list, but the specific model was not (magazine release as I recall). I think that the end result was that the firearms had to be returned, but I am not sure.
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I don't know about that. When I was 19 I bought a gun from a table top FFL. I filled out the DROS and everything. It took about 2.5 months for the power to be figure out that I was too young to be from a dealer.
The dealer called me and told me that he was in a lot of trouble and that he couldn't make me return it but if I did it would really help him out. I did return it. He also gave me a little extra for the help. |
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Is there anyone in the Sacramento area that can do the SSC, etc? I'm talking more North Sacramento, say between Natomas and Roseville. Elk Grove and El Dorado Hills are a hike.
Plus I don't know of Placer Tactical in Lincoln, which is close to me. I've never heard of them. Not that I have the $ at this time to buy out of state, have the SSC done, then have it transferred to CA, pay the fees, etc. I'm just curious for the future. |
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Can I have a 1911 frame DROSed?^^
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If you are exempt from the certified list, yes, otherwise no as the exact model has to be on the list and just the frame won't be on the list. If it is a C&R, then it would be exempt.
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Blah.
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Just read in a previous post that once you purchase an off-roster gun via SSE, that if you decide to sell later down the line via PPT, that you need not sell under SSE again? Does that mean you can just sell the pistol as it is "normally?" If so, then can't we sell the SSE parts back to the FFL to re-use for future SSE purchase?
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If you decide to sell later you PPT it in it's original configuration, no need to go back to SSE because it's now being sold via PPT and not a new purchase.
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Glock Gen 4 SSE near LA
I'm looking to get a Glock 19 Gen 4 SSE.
So far, the closest place I see is DAS in Solana Beach, which is 115 miles from me. Is there anything closer to LA? |
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Thanks, they were pretty responsive. They have some pretty interesting stuff about selling NFA firearms via a trust which I still have to read up on. Didn't know there was any way for us to get sawed off style shotguns.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=507051
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Glad to know you're close though. Thank you |
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These are the only ones I currently have kits for, more kits are in the works.
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So is it still everyone's opinion that a mag lock need be installed? How is a removable sled not meet the requirements? If someone takes it out and replaces it with a standard capacity mag, how is it different than replacing a regular length barrel?
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A long barrel alone does not make it a single shot, so you should make it such that a tool is needed to be able to allow for additional rounds. Without a tool, they could consider it not to be a single shot. A firearm without a magazine is a single shot, but it is not considered to be that.
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Okay, here's my situation: The gun that I want is no longer being sold NEW by any FFL (in-state and out-of-state). But there is local FFL that has an SSE conversion for the pistol. I have scoured the internet and forums and I've found someone out-of-state that is selling the gun that I want. Can I purchase the off-roster handgun USED (or PPT) from someone out-of-state??
If so, I think I'd have to have the seller take the off-roster gun to his local FFL and have his local FFL ship to my FFL? I assume this would be similar to a consignment-type of transaction? And once my local FFL receives the off-roster gun, he can convert it to SSE and my DROS can begin? If this works, will I be subject to sales tax? |
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A PPT is where both the buyer and seller go to the same FFL. An out of state purchase is not a PPT. This would not be like a consignment.
You can purchase the firearm and have it shipped to your local FFL. Somewhere along the way it could be converted to a single shot, such as by your local FFL, and then it could be transferred (DROS submitted). If the person that is selling it is a private party, it is an occasional sale and it is not from a business (such as a consignment), then there would be no sales tax. The firearm does not need to be shipped by a FFL.
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Doing the conversion could result in legal liability, but you would need to talk to an attorney about that. It is the same as making changes and then having a problem where someone gets hurt. What specific legal aspect are you concerned with?
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The out of state private seller can refuse to sell it to you if they feel like it or are too lazy to read up on our laws. It happens. I was able to convince someone on Gunbroker to ship an off-rostered gun over, and my FFL offered to speak with the seller to explain things. Good luck.
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It is not a PPT since the other person is not a CA resident. If it was a PPT, then you would not have to consider the SSE. It is done as a normal dealer sale, although for a SSE, it is submitted as exempt.
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Does anybody have a list of Out of state dealers that will ship to California??
Or who they have dealt with that will ship an off roster gun?? trying to keep up with the info! |
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What if someone from Nevada bought a Ruger SR1911 in Nevada, and then came to SoCal on a pleasure trip with the gun. Could I buy it from that person and do a PPT through a dealer? Would I have to do an SSE conversion before the PPT? Is it legal for me to personnally buy a gun from a resident of another state who is visiting the area?
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No, PPTs have to be between CA residents. If the person moved here, then it could be transferred once the person got a CA ID. You could both go to a FFL, but then it would be just a normal transfer, so it would have to be on the roster.
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Wait a minute, I thought PPT were exempt from the roster? Last edited by 97F1504RAD; 02-13-2012 at 6:35 AM.. |
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PPTs are exempt from the roster, but an out-of-state resident can not participate in a CA-defined PPT DROS. An out-of-state seller would need to do a regular transfer to the FFL who would then do a regular DROS to the buyer, but it wouldn't be a PPT, and since it isn't a PPT, it isn't roster-exempt.
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