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Old 10-01-2019, 12:34 PM
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Default WE ALWAYS WANTED THE FRS-15 TO BE POPULAR BUT WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED??

The FRS-15 rifle stock is apparently such a huge threat to the anti gun agenda that there are currently THREE federal bills on the books in Washington that specifically name "Thordsen-type grip or stocks" as an item they want banned.

Senate Bill S66: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...e-bill/66/text
House Bill 1296: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...bill/1296/text
House Bill 2959: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...bill/2959/text

At first the language was more targeted.

"Thordsen-type grip or stock that is designed to EVADE Assault Weapon bans." SERIOUSLY?? Openly saying they want to ban a piece of plastic that helps prevent law abiding citizens from being FELONS!!

The language has now morphed into something far more disturbing and clearly sinister. They want to change the definition of "pistol grip" to include virtually anything that can be gripped.

"The term ‘pistol grip’ means a grip, a thumbhole stock or Thordsen-type grip or stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."

To me this language would or could be applied to virtually every long gun (and possibly handgun) in existence, not just semiautos, furthermore there's no reason to even include "Thordsen-type grip or stock" since they're obviously going after everything.

Of course, all of these bills or so outrageously unconstitutional that I don't expect ANY of them will be ever be signed into law or even make it through the Congress. It'll just be another weapon they use in 2020 to say "WE tried to do something but THEY blocked us so vote THEM out."

It doesn't stop at the Federal level. There are bills in Florida and New York City (and probably several other places that we're not aware of) that have bills attempting to ban "Thordsen-type grips or stocks". We have been selling the FRS in NY since the Safe Act (2013) but in Florida?? They're probably scratching their heads saying "what the he!! is a "Thordsen-type grip or stock" and why ban it??

I've said it a million times. WHEN all of us free citizens win the battle over the Second Ammendment, Thordsen Customs will gladly fade into the sunset and move onto other things. Until then, WE DO OUR PART TO KEEP UP THE FIGHT!!

Everyone please do your part. Get involved. Stay truly informed (remember both sides and everyone between lie or bend the truth to get elected). Thoroughly vet your candidate or representative. I know it's tedious and exhausting but it is critical that we all make the right choices now or our freedom may become a history that is stricken from textbooks.

Lastly, get out and:

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I have one for an AR-10, need another for an AR-15 (because fin grips suck). These bills will eliminate all semiauto rifles or designate them as "assault weapons" because a rifle has to have a stock, and that stock incorporates some type of grip. Bye bye Ruger Mini, M1 Carbine, Garand, Springfield's semiauto version of the M-14, all AK variants...and the list goes on.
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I have one for an AR-10, need another for an AR-15 (because fin grips suck). These bills will eliminate all semiauto rifles or designate them as "assault weapons" because a rifle has to have a stock, and that stock incorporates some type of grip. Bye bye Ruger Mini, M1 Carbine, Garand, Springfield's semiauto version of the M-14, all AK variants...and the list goes on.
Not if we stop them!!

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Not if we stop them!!

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One would hope the Senate will. And vote to keep them the majority.
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They want to ban it because of the looks of it .. It may or may not be popular , but it looks scary so can't have it.
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How the **** one can have a firearm without some sort of a grip?
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How the **** one can have a firearm without some sort of a grip?
You can't...isn't that their goal? (rhetorical question...we all know the answer, right?)
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Seriously... I have a Thordo on my AR-15. These guys are insane...
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This is worse than the 1994 Feinstein clinton ban
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They didn't think this through.
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They didn't think this through.
Oh yes they did. All firearms have a"grip". So all firearms have to be banned. It's for the children.
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You've done well Thordo. Your stocks are everywhere.
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They did the same with the bullet button.
Had to use a tool to drop a mag, bullet button was an approved alternative and became popular.
Then the bullet button became a feature of an "assault weapon".
Just keep moving the goalposts.

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"Thordsen-type grip or stock that is designed to EVADE Assault Weapon bans."

"The term ‘pistol grip’ means a grip, a thumbhole stock or Thordsen-type grip or stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip."
The first has obvious vagueness problems. The second is a head-scratcher, I guess any gun you can hold would be an assault weapon. The problem (that they’ll never be held accountable by their base for) is that in doing things like this to their definition of “pistol grip”, they are conceding that it never made sense to ban “pistol grips” as previously defined.

...I was going to say something else but I’ll leave it to a private message, heh...
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I love my Thordsen stock on my ar10.

Might have to get one for my ar15.

Great job Thordo, keep up the good work.
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Well done Thordo, you're famous!
Now change the name of the stock, that will drive them crazy.
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Now change the name of the stock, that will drive them crazy.
I can change the name of the stock but not my last name!!

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The first has obvious vagueness problems. The second is a head-scratcher, I guess any gun you can hold would be an assault weapon. The problem (that they’ll never be held accountable by their base for) is that in doing things like this to their definition of “pistol grip”, they are conceding that it never made sense to ban “pistol grips” as previously defined.

...I was going to say something else but I’ll leave it to a private message, heh...
When I first read the proposed new definition, I had everyone come and read it. I looked at the stapler on my desk and said "what if I mounted it to my FA. Is the stapler now and evil pistol grip??"

That's no different than ATF saying (in opinion 2 or 3??) that putting an SB tactical brace to your shoulder miraculously converts it to a stock. WTF!!

Your PM was received and answered.

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You guys are now infamous. Congrats Now everyone please go out and VOTE!!! Drag all your family,friends, and coworkers with you.
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Might as well just ban hands!

Of course, we could always ask the ATF to comment on some other accouterments:
https://imgur.com/gallery/4d1JW
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Long live Assault Grips! Long live Thordo!
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Might as well just ban hands!

Of course, we could always ask the ATF to comment on some other accouterments:
https://imgur.com/gallery/4d1JW
A very good friend of mine put the ridiculousness of these laws this way.

Drunk driving fatalities ARE AN EPIDEMIC!! The solution to "keeping people safe" is simple....BAN SOBER DRIVERS!!

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By careful poking the Bear here. Excemento maybe done for this year but be assured you and others are to be targeted next season. They are not done with us by a longshot.
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You have that backwards. WE are the bear and they are poking US!!

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They want to ban it because of the looks of it .. It may or may not be popular , but it looks scary so can't have it.
Yup, exactly my first thought. it just looks weird and scary to them.
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I have one for an AR-10, need another for an AR-15 (because fin grips suck). These bills will eliminate all semiauto rifles or designate them as "assault weapons" because a rifle has to have a stock, and that stock incorporates some type of grip. Bye bye Ruger Mini, M1 Carbine, Garand, Springfield's semiauto version of the M-14, all AK variants...and the list goes on.
https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Backf...0164219&sr=8-1

dude, check this out. it only works with the magpul miad 1.1 right handed grip. it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay comfier than a regular fin grip. the thumb shelf gives you great control of the weapon.
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https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Backf...0164219&sr=8-1

dude, check this out. it only works with the magpul miad 1.1 right handed grip. it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay comfier than a regular fin grip. the thumb shelf gives you great control of the weapon.
Looks like the design I had in mind except for the thumb shelf (hadn't thought of that). I could never understand why the standard fin grip was made with the fin centered on the grip instead of offset to the right or left (depending) so that you had something you could actually grip.
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Looks like the design I had in mind except for the thumb shelf (hadn't thought of that). I could never understand why the standard fin grip was made with the fin centered on the grip instead of offset to the right or left (depending) so that you had something you could actually grip.

the grip is offset to the left for a righthander and that thumb shelf is actually really nice. again, not my choice, but since we are forced to have it I believe this is by far the best option. ordered another one today for my SCAR because i can't stand a kydex wrap that gives absolutely crap control of the weapon. it also doesn't interfere with my short throw ambi lever either. also, if/when you travel to a free state you can simply slide it off and keep the miad on the weapon, then put it back on when you return. try it and if you don't like it you can sell it to me.

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Exactly how did this 2A thread suddenly turn into a product discussion??

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Exactly how did this 2A thread suddenly turn into a product discussion??

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Because yours is a much better solution to comply with California law!
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Rename the product;

‘Grip free’
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Now introducing the Thorsden place to rest your palm thing that doesn't go up.
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I LIKE IT!!

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Now introducing the Thorsden place to rest your palm thing that doesn't go up.
Sorry I do not comply ....good enough for a retired policewoman ....good enough for all
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