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Old 08-08-2013, 7:03 AM
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What in the Heck is going on at LPRGC? First they raised their annual membership dues by 50% from $100 a year to $150 a year. Then they sent a nasty letter with my renewal that said if it wasn't paid in 30 days I would have to pay another $50 to rejoin the club. Then they never sent me a membership card, I had to ask them for it.
Also they raised the members price for Trap coins from $100-20 to $110-20 and last week raised it again to $120-20. LPRGC is getting outrageous!

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Old 08-10-2013, 2:38 PM
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Ya no kiddin. 150 .00 a yr... I shoot there 10 times a yr and pay members rate at rifle and pistol range( 7.00)... Thats 22 bucks to shoot. Non members pay 15 bucks.. My membership was up in june and i did not renew... I was a member there 25 yrs and went through all the bad times( no pistol and rifle range 2 yrs )... Then the club reclaimed the lead on trap field and sold it to concord club and not the members of livermore... Such a shame .. A nice club thats being run NOT for the members... Used to be despirate for members just to stay open ( noise problems ).. Such a shame on the board..
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That seems excessive. Chabot is $72/year (first year $40 more) and drops the payment from $14 to $7 and you get some other little benefits (including it's a CMP affiliated club). So it's worth it if you go once a month (small profit at 11 times per year).

Looks like at Livermore it drops the rifle/pistol range from $15 to $7 (for three hours versus all day at Chabot). At $150/year you have to go 19 times. For me it would still be worth it, but I'm guessing they'll lose a lot of regulars.
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Chabot was just an example. I'm pretty sure $150 membership is higher than everybody else too.
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Concord's United Sportmen club is like $40ish the last time I was quoted a price but the facilities are no where near what LPRG club has in terms of trap (but it does have a nice skeet setup and "action" shooting range)....

I hear about some drama going on at the club actually. I've been a member for 5 years now and this is the first year I've actually heard complaints from regulars - not to mention the annual BBQ was canceled due to lack of volunteers too...pretty bad sign. Interestingly, it seems that the Olympic bunker they put in caused a bit of a stir as well (more specifically, that it's supposed to be for members and yet it's never running).
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The Bunker Trap smells (Proverbial) fishy LOL.. Trap #1 can't be used because of the Bunker Trap. As for volunteers.. They keep raising their prices and then they want me to volunteer? If you volunteer a minimum of 10 hours a month the will sell you 20 coins a month at a reduced rate... Like a big wippy!!! It costs me $15 in gasoline to drive out there and back home!
That's really far...have you tried using these links below to find a closer place?

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Compared to local gun clubs, Livermore is one of the highest fees. If you are a trap shooter, Livermore is hard to beat. They offer a full range of activities and heavily discount trap shooting for members. They run the club primarily as a trap club. The President and the bulk of the board are trapshooters.

The rifle/pistol range is nice but no real activities or competitions. Porta-potties remain after the new range has been open for years. The club should be putting in a robust range of activities for the rifle/pistol and archery ranges. Yet the board takes no action.

The bunker trap is a nice addition but trap is a dying sport. They continue investing in trap. Sporting clays and action shooting sports are both growing sports. They need to look to the future rather than investing more into trap.

I suspect they are raising prices to fund more construction on the rifle/pistol range. Realize many of the voting members and board members are life time members that are not impacted by membership fee increases. For reference, in 2005 membership fees were $50. http://web.archive.org/web/200612142...embership.html

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. . . Then the club reclaimed the lead on trap field and sold it to concord club and not the members of livermore . . .
This was a good move for the club. All the lead was sold at once (no storage, handling, loss, etc) at a good price. The previous harvest they sold the shot for way below market value . . . a good deal for the trap shooters but not for the club as a whole.

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This was a good move for the club. All the lead was sold at once (no storage, handling, loss, etc) at a good price. The previous harvest they sold the shot for way below market value . . . a good deal for the trap shooters but not for the club as a whole.
A good move for the club ????...REALLY ????.. We club members were scrambling to FIND shot at that time... Had to drive to Jackson to buy a TON to get the price of 32.00 a bag.... So the club,, in such a GOOD MOVE put the shot up for auction and concord stole it for the price of 15.00 a bag... WOW !!!!! THAT WAS PURE GENUIS ON THE PART OF THE "CLUB" !!!!! Since the reclaimers take 40 % for scraping,melting and redropping the lead,the club recieved 60% and werent out a penny...MARKET VALUE ???? So the CLUB MEMBERS were not ALLOWED to BUY BACK some of their shot ???? At 20 or 25 bucks a bag ???? THAT NOT GOOD FOR THE "CLUB" OR ITS """MEMBERS"" ??????.. REALLY????? ..Storage ?? Lead dropped off at the club as part of the deal... NO COST... I guess it was a good deal for those who did find the sign up sheet "for the members" to reserve some for 20.00 a bag... YES I asked to buy shot but since I wasnt on "THE LIST" I wasnt allowed to buy any... ANYBODY ever see the LIST HERE ????.... ANYBODY HERE get in on the "DEAL" to buy a life membership for $200.00 when "THE CLUB" was repaving the parking lot a few years ago ???? Funny,,, i never heard about that SWEET DEAL!!!!.. Nor did 95 % of the other " MEMBERS"... I guess ""MEMBERSHIP"" and "THE CLUB" are two different things... RANT OFF....
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Old 08-28-2013, 5:24 PM
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. . . ANYBODY HERE get in on the "DEAL" to buy a life membership for $200.00 when "THE CLUB" was repaving the parking lot a few years ago ???? Funny,,, i never heard about that SWEET DEAL!!!!.. Nor did 95 % of the other " MEMBERS"... I guess ""MEMBERSHIP"" and "THE CLUB" are two different things... RANT OFF....
Signs were up in the club house on the bulletin boards. The lifetime membership deal was posted for all to see. I agree that communication is not the best throughout club members and a lot of things get communicated through the "good 'ole boy" network. In the case of the life time membership offer, I can see where some would miss it if they didn't visit the bulletin boards and see the offer.

In some ways I think the club communications is worse than in the past. Monthly meetings are hardly attended by any members. Very little club business is done in the public portion of the meeting and updates are minimal. Club business is largely done behind closed doors and very little is communicated out to club members as a whole. In the past, meetings were pretty well attended, board meetings were largely done in public with very little done behind closed doors, and the financial situation of the club was publicly disclosed.

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A good move for the club ????...REALLY ????.. We club members were scrambling to FIND shot at that time... Had to drive to Jackson to buy a TON to get the price of 32.00 a bag.... So the club,, in such a GOOD MOVE put the shot up for auction and concord stole it for the price of 15.00 a bag... WOW !!!!! THAT WAS PURE GENUIS ON THE PART OF THE "CLUB" !!!!! Since the reclaimers take 40 % for scraping,melting and redropping the lead,the club recieved 60% and werent out a penny...MARKET VALUE ???? So the CLUB MEMBERS were not ALLOWED to BUY BACK some of their shot ???? At 20 or 25 bucks a bag ???? THAT NOT GOOD FOR THE "CLUB" OR ITS """MEMBERS"" ??????.. REALLY????? ..Storage ?? Lead dropped off at the club as part of the deal... NO COST... I guess it was a good deal for those who did find the sign up sheet "for the members" to reserve some for 20.00 a bag... YES I asked to buy shot but since I wasnt on "THE LIST" I wasnt allowed to buy any... ANYBODY ever see the LIST HERE ???? . . .
I don't recall the exact numbers from that transaction. Yours don't sound quite right but since I can't recall the proper numbers, I can't confirm or deny. Reclaimers take between 40 - 60% of what is mined--it has varied over time. I think members got to buy a very few bags of shot (as I recall four) for $25/bag if they pre-signed up to do so. Also, I think the price of lead dropped shortly after the lead was sold so that worked to the club's advantage.

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It feels like the board could use some help.

Is this a club with an elected board? Are there positions that you can run for or is it a business with owners?

On a side note- look what an indoor range in so cal costs


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It feels like the board could use some help.

Is this a club with an elected board? Are there positions that you can run for or is it a business with owners?

On a side note- look what an indoor range in so cal costs


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. . . Is this a club with an elected board? Are there positions that you can run for or is it a business with owners? . . .
It is an elected board; however, replacement board members for board members that terminate early are appointed by the board. I think the last two new board members have been appointed by the board. Further, the board appoints the club leadership/officers from the board members.

The club has a two-tier membership with very few regular members. 80% or so of the membership is associate members. Associate members can not run for the board. Associate members most met a variety of requirements and apply the board to be upgraded to a regular member. Most members never bother for whatever reason.

That said, those running for the positions are normally recruited by the existing board.

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I really enjoy the livermore range... Great place to shoot outside (not inside range)... And usually recommend it over other local clubs to most people...plus its 15 mins away... On the other hand chabot 25 mins away... Havent been there in years but have friends that are members there and they are happy with it... Ive heard about lots of shoots there but have yet to make one... I guess nows the time....
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AAShooter, thanks for the updates. I also enjoy this range; wish they would clean up there act.
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Coyote Valley isn't too bad but they only have 2 Trap Houses. I don't go there on weekends! Too crowded... Skeet is good... Most people seem to be doing Sporting Clays
Coyote Valley is a nice facility with a variety of clays sports available. I enjoy their sporting clays courses. Unfortunately, it is a bit of haul for me and painful during rush hour traffic.

I would like to see Livermore move in this direction--offering a robust set of clays sports instead of focusing on trap. Sporting clays is much more popular than some of the others.
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"I would like to see Livermore move in this direction--offering a robust set of clays sports instead of focusing on trap. Sporting clays is much more popular than some of the others."

How about some "action-type" pistol events, steel, holster, pistol training,...etc.
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"I would like to see Livermore move in this direction--offering a robust set of clays sports instead of focusing on trap. Sporting clays is much more popular than some of the others."

How about some "action-type" pistol events, steel, holster, pistol training,...etc.
Sorry for the confusion, I was speaking to the clays side of the house. As far as the Archery/Pistol/Rifle side of the house. I would like to see any movement towards organized activities and training.

The club does offer a robust set of NRA training classes for novice shooters and those interested in becoming NRA instructors. This is a successful program with good reviews. However, I think training should be expanded to include some guest instructors. Several of the ranges around host "big name" instructors to hold classes and I believe Livermore could benefit from doing the same.

Organized shoots and competitions would bring the rifle/pistol range on par with the robust set of activities offered for trap shooters. Trap shooters can participate in club, local, regional and state shoots through the club. Yet, the club seems reluctant to embrace activities for the rifle/pistol/archery range. Compare the activities offered by the clubs at USI compared to Livermore and it is sad to see. (Some of Diablo Rod and Gun activities can be seen here: http://diablorodandgun.com/calendar/...ec_posterboard )

Clearly action pistol is a growing sport and attracts many shooters. Livermore is again reluctant to embrace action pistol. This is partially due to their no blue sky range but I think more could be done in this area.

Livermore has such potential to be the best gun club in the Bay Area but they have to get all aspects of the club firing on all cylinders.

The club has done a great job at establishing a Scholastic Clays Youth program. Some of those kids can really shoot and place well on the state level. They are working towards a youth rifle league and getting a range established for that program. I believe they even got NRA funding to help with the range.

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Livermore needs to evaluate their competitive position. They appear to be one of the most expensive clubs in the Bay Area to become a member. They have more than doubled their membership fees over the last few years. The question is: Have they provided more value to their members to justify the increase?

A few years back they mentioned they had nearly 1700 members. I suspect this latest round of membership fee increases will have some folks reconsidering.

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Hey OP... It's their club. Pay up or move on... What else can anyone tell you?
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Hey OP... It's their club. Pay up or move on... What else can anyone tell you?
I think that is the point . . . it isn't "their club". It is the member's club.
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The Bunker Trap smells (Proverbial) fishy LOL.. Trap #1 can't be used because of the Bunker Trap. As for volunteers.. They keep raising their prices and then they want me to volunteer? If you volunteer a minimum of 10 hours a month the will sell you 20 coins a month at a reduced rate... Like a big wippy!!! It costs me $15 in gasoline to drive out there and back home!
I just noticed on the new membership form that the higher membership rate is reflected as well as a requirement for 40 hours/year of volunteer time. So the club is expecting 10 hours/quarterly.

Obviously the club is better off with a strong volunteer base so hopefully they benefit from this new policy.

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I enjoyed going to This range, yes it's a bit expensive bit I enjoyed being able to shoot pistols and rifles on the same lane. I was considering membership but no longer after reading this thread. I guys I'll look into a club closer to home.
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How much is it for non-members to shoot at the rifle pistol lane? Still $13?
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How much is it for non-members to shoot at the rifle pistol lane? Still $13?
Website says $15 for non-members on the Rifle/Pistol range.

Here is the info from the website:

"Rifle/Pistol range shooting is $15 for non-members, $7 for members, $10 for ages 13 - 17, and $5 for ages 6 - 12. This fee covers the use of the range for a three-hour period. Ten-shoot cards are $60 for members. This is a substantial savings over non-member rates."
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10 shoot cards ? Ive been to rifle range 4 times in last 2 months... Not on bullutin board at rifle and pistol range... Not on Any of the 3 bulluton boards at the rifle and pistol range.... I know this as i read them all as i wait my hour waiting for a lane to open...not in the members quarterly mailing.... I see trap tokens for members at a discount when buying 20 rounds at trap sign- in window down the hill.... But never discount up the hill at rifle - pistol range window...never mentioned as i pay members rate either...and please dont say on board in clubhouse...why would anyone go in there? Tables and a bar thats rarely open... Restrooms outside... No food either but full kitchen ... WAS a member since the 80s.... Where was all this info ? I grabbed a member application at chabot this last weekend.... Funny- nothing mentioned about groveling in front of the board for a new membership... Or anything about 10 hours ' volunteer work ' per month to be a non- voting member... I think the old buddy 'club ' isnt going to be around to much longer ... Shame... Nice place to shoot...
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I "Ain't" no Lawyer (Thank God) but I suspect if Livermore trys to enforce that 40 hours a year volunteer they are going to run into problems with the Labor Laws and will be required to pay their volunteers at least a minimum wage!
I am not lawyer but it is a contractual obligation you agree to when you submit your membership form. I assume they could void your membership status if you don't meet you obligation.
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-just an interesting observation. If they have 1700 members and each is obligated to volunteer 40 hrs/year, that is the equivalent of 1700 man-weeks annually. Or, about 30 man-years. That is like having 10 full-time employees at the rifle/pistol range, 10 full-time employees at the trap range and 10 full-time employees working on the facilities in general. Lots of man power to organize, manage and track . . . good problems I guess.
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Does that work policy apply to new members, or are members renewing include? I can't see that applying to life members
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The membership form appears to apply to new and renewing members. It is interesting to note that life memberships no longer seem to be mentioned in the membership section of the website or on the membership application. I don't know what that means.
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I've been considering joining, but $150/yr is definitely cost-prohibitive. I did a quick spreadsheet to find look up my break-even point.

20-coins trap, price: $120 (savings over non-member price: $60)
10-round rifle card, price: $60 (savings over non-member price: $90)

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20 trap coins: $120
10-trip rifle discount card: $60
Total cost $330
Savings: $150

At this point in life, I really don't shoot enough to justify a membership.
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Actually it is my understanding that the club board just recently changed or modified their by-laws so the mandatory 40 hours of volunteer time only applies to "New Members".....
That could be. In looking at the bylaws on the website, I don't see the change but it looks to be a 2009 document so they may not be posting the changes since then.
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I've been considering joining, but $150/yr is definitely cost-prohibitive. I did a quick spreadsheet to find look up my break-even point.

20-coins trap, price: $120 (savings over non-member price: $60)
10-round rifle card, price: $60 (savings over non-member price: $90)

Annual spend:
Membership: $150
20 trap coins: $120
10-trip rifle discount card: $60
Total cost $330
Savings: $150

At this point in life, I really don't shoot enough to justify a membership.
Clearly it is a personal choice. I am a member of several clubs in the Bay Area. I am sure that some memberships do not pencil out in my favor but I maintain them to support the clubs. Bay Area gun clubs need all the help they can get these days. -just a thought.
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Clearly it is a personal choice. I am a member of several clubs in the Bay Area. I am sure that some memberships do not pencil out in my favor but I maintain them to support the clubs. Bay Area gun clubs need all the help they can get these days. -just a thought.
I agree with you. I want to support local shooting! But I think a 50% increase in dues, 20% increase in coins and demanding 40 hours of labor a year is outrageous... 40 hours labor at "minimum wage" is $360.00. Something is wrong with this picture! Maybe if the club would explain to the membership "WHY" it needs these huge increases we could have a better understanding. Let the membership see your financial statement!

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I agree with you. I want to support local shooting! But I think a 50% increase in dues, 20% increase in coins and demanding 40 hours of labor a year is outrageous... 40 hours labor at "minimum wage" is $360.00. Something is wrong with this picture! Maybe if the club would explain to the membership "WHY" it needs these huge increases we could have a better understanding. Let the membership see your financial statement!
Huh? I'm a member and I don't have to do 40 hours of labor...you're referring to the Associate level which "allows voting privileges and qualifies you to hold an elected office within the club."

There's two tiers of membership, the second tier is the Associate level and the first tier is basically a glorified club use discount card....
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Are the trap coins/rifle range punch cards transferable? Do they have expiration dates?
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Are the trap coins/rifle range punch cards transferable? Do they have expiration dates?
I have never seen an expiration date on these items and think it would be bad judgement to start imposing one on your customers/members.

I have never seen anything regarding transferability but obviously the club does not want members buying discounted coins and punch cards to sell to non-members. However, I don't know if this has been explicitly stated by the club.

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Huh? I'm a member and I don't have to do 40 hours of labor...you're referring to the Associate level which "allows voting privileges and qualifies you to hold an elected office within the club."

There's two tiers of membership, the second tier is the Associate level and the first tier is basically a glorified club use discount card....
I think you are confusing the two types of memberships . . . here is the information from the club's website:

"There are two types of memberships: regular and associate. Associate members have the same shooting privileges and access to the facilities as regular members but cannot hold an elected office or vote on club matters. Associate members willing to be more involved with club activities and programs may petition for regular membership in accordance with the club by-laws. Petitions may be filed after two years of associate membership. "

It should be noted that the portion of the by-laws containing the requirements for regular membership appears not to be posted on the club's website.

Again from the website (http://www.lprg.org/pdf_files/AssociateApplication.pdf), the current membership application for Associate Member states: "*** To Qualify for membership, applicants must agree to fulfill 40 hours a year of volunteer work. ***"

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