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Perhaps we should look for an alternative candidate that GOA/NRA can vouch for and back financially? Someone who has clout with local PD, and if possible can appeal to moderates. We just need to look at his/her background. . GOA-CA tracks who has been loyal to the 2A and those who haven't. We can do a write in on the ballot. It will certainly need widespread support in the local 2A community and abroad.
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I had my doubts about Jensen because of some early statements, but you guys seem to have found the one we need to replace that crook Smith.

Everyone who's been watching this thread in despair should definitely check the thread linked above--mods, maybe even a thread merge?
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California is now a shall issue state. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ed-5232386.php

Does this mean that I can apply for a permit at anytime? How does this process work?
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California is now a shall issue state. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...ed-5232386.php

Does this mean that I can apply for a permit at anytime? How does this process work?
Argh. No, California is not a shall issue state at this time. The defendant has said they'll ask for an en banc hearing, and the judge has put his decision on hold.

While this is a great step forward for our 2nd Amendment rights, NOTHING CHANGES today. Or tomorrow. Not until the Appeals Court decides whether to grant the en banc, and if they do then it'll be months before that hearing is held. If we win the en banc, then we may still have to sue individual Sheriffs to bring them into line with the ruling, and you can be sure that some Sheriffs will drag their feet in implementing any changes to their discriminatory "good cause" interpretations.
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If I wanted to apply or even get the required documents ready to apply to SCC is there an informational link other than the one in the first post of this thread that appears dead?

I realize the decision is probably on hold but i'm too excited to not start looking at what I need to do...
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If I wanted to apply or even get the required documents ready to apply to SCC is there an informational link other than the one in the first post of this thread that appears dead?
The first post's link is the best for now, but I can almost guarantee that there will be changes to the process and forms before SCC is shall issue and you can apply. (I wish I could also almost guarantee that there will be a different Sheriff in office, too, but I'm not as sure about that one. )
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The first post's link is the best for now, but I can almost guarantee that there will be changes to the process and forms before SCC is shall issue and you can apply. (I wish I could also almost guarantee that there will be a different Sheriff in office, too, but I'm not as sure about that one. )
i'm sure it will change as you say, i just wanted to get into the research phase. thus i wondered if there was an updated link since the one for this thread goes nowhere right now.
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For now we'll just have to wait and see. SCC is going to be one of those counties that will hold out as long as they can.

I'm curious to see how the ruling will affect extra requirements like having to carry insurance, or even the registering of specific weapons on the permit.
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For now we'll just have to wait and see. SCC is going to be one of those counties that will hold out as long as they can.

I'm curious to see how the ruling will affect extra requirements like having to carry insurance, or even the registering of specific weapons on the permit.
it will def be interesting. i wont be the tiniest bit surprised to see them stalling in this forsaken county.
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that and the ruling did not mention GMC at all.
further, it may yet be seen that the ruling will be suspended pending en banc... we'll see.
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I applied for my CCW Today!

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Ha! It's a great day America!

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I applied for my CCW Today!

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How did you apply? I would like to know for future reference.
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Please keep us posted on your progress! I am going to begin filling out the forms tomorrow, and hope to submit them next week. But you'll still be ahead of me.

I plan to send my application certified, return receipt to our overlord smith. And, I've already been looking into the new candidates.

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Please keep us posted on your progress! I am going to begin filling out the forms tomorrow, and hope to submit them next week. But you'll still be ahead of me.

I plan to send my application certified, return receipt to our overlord smith. And, I've already been looking into the new candidates.

I wish luck to all of us in California!
As far as I'm aware, the Santa Clara County Sheriff's office will not even accept your application. While the desk clerk may take it because he doesn't know any better, it isn't going anywhere. They just let it sit and rot without even looking at it. I have done this twice last year. After a few weeks I contacted the office and I was asked to come and pick up my un-reviewed application. The reason provided is that the Sheriff is not currently accepting applications. Yes, this is in violation of State law, but WTH are you going to do about it other than file a lawsuit or vote for someone else???

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As far as I'm aware, the Santa Clara County Sheriff's office will not even accept your application. While the desk clerk may take it because he doesn't know any better, it isn't going anywhere. They just let it sit and rot without even looking at it. I have done this twice last year. After a few weeks I contacted the office and I was asked to come and pick up my un-reviewed application.

Please let us know if you are having a different experience with Sheriff Smith's office.
So, you would have to go and turn it in personally or can you mail it in?
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Please keep us posted on your progress! I am going to begin filling out the forms tomorrow, and hope to submit them next week. But you'll still be ahead of me.

I plan to send my application certified, return receipt to our overlord smith. And, I've already been looking into the new candidates.

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Could you direct me to the forms you're filling out? I'd like to get the process going as well even if it ends up sitting on a desk for now.
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Could you direct me to the forms you're filling out? I'd like to get the process going as well even if it ends up sitting on a desk for now.
http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/wp-...pplication.pdf
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much thanks. wasn't sure if that was the one i was supposed to use or if SCC had their own form.
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much thanks. wasn't sure if that was the one i was supposed to use or if SCC had their own form.
The question is how do we submit the form. I've been researching for the last three hours and couldn't find an answer.
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I dropped them off personally at the Sheriff's HQ. I'm telling you though, they refuse to even look at them! They will just sit there indefinitely with no action until you call. And then, they ask you to come pick it up! Damn frustrating I tell you. Sheriff Smith just thumbs her nose at State law and the citizens of Santa Clara County.

Keep in mind, I actually have very good cause and a legitimate safety concern. I talked to the Sheriff's office Public Information Officer, he read my GC statement and acknowledged my good cause, but then told me to piss off and come pick up my application packet.
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seems we're in the same boat lol
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I dropped them off personally at the Sheriff's HQ. I'm telling you though, they refuse to even look at them! They will just sit there indefinitely with no action until you call. And then, they ask you to come pick it up! Damn frustrating I tell you. Sheriff Smith just thumbs her nose at State law and the citizens of Santa Clara County.

Keep in mind, I actually have very good cause and a legitimate safety concern. I talked to the Sheriff's office Public Information Officer, he read my GC statement and acknowledged my good cause, but then told me to piss off and come pick up my application packet.
you just dropped them off at the front desk pretty much?
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I assumed you just drop it off with the clerk. I was a little confused because the application is on SJPD's site but I couldn't find anything related to CCW on SCCS.
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I assumed you just drop it off with the clerk. I was a little confused because the application is on SJPD's site but I couldn't find anything related to CCW on SCCS.
Santa Clara county does not have a web link for CCW info! If you want to play the game, download the standard CA application from the CGF website, fill it out, and take it to the Sheriff HQ. Have fun, cause that's all you'll get out of it. For now, at least!
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I used to have a copy of the Santa Clara app, the primary point was the marksmanship test and related material...

for which I went to a local range once and tested myself using the rules, and then found myself yelled at for firing too fast...

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I wonder if there's some federal law that requires a sheriff to do thier job. I know the FBI will go after LEA/LEO's who break the law, violate civil rights under the color of authority. If enough people apply and get told to eff off in violation of state law and denied their constitutional rights to exercise their second amendment, the FBI would have to do something. It's her personal policy, she's the one who's responsible and in my mind has no right to wear any badge since she's violated the oath.
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a sheriff's office derives their authority from the county that derives theirs from the state...
and what you are looking for is a charge of malfeasance and/or non-feasance (yes, that's a legitimate term, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ro...io#Dissolution), which is a very serious charge, and would require the State AG to prosecute. Good luck.
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I dropped them off personally at the Sheriff's HQ. I'm telling you though, they refuse to even look at them! They will just sit there indefinitely with no action until you call. And then, they ask you to come pick it up! Damn frustrating I tell you. Sheriff Smith just thumbs her nose at State law and the citizens of Santa Clara County.

Keep in mind, I actually have very good cause and a legitimate safety concern. I talked to the Sheriff's office Public Information Officer, he read my GC statement and acknowledged my good cause, but then told me to piss off and come pick up my application packet.
What a crock.

Was that officer Kurtis Stenderup by chance?
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What a crock.

Was that officer Kurtis Stenderup by chance?
No, wasn't him. I did get the card of the desk sergeant who took it but see no value in naming him here. He is just another pawn in Laurie Smith's game.

I also forgot to add that I submitted twice. The first time in person the second time via certified mail. I wanted to be sure I had a record of their receipt and subsequent ignoring of my applications. Both times, I waited a while and contacted the Sheriff's department. Both times I was directed to the Public Information Officer who very kindly told me the Sheriff was not accepting applications and would I please come pick my paperwork up.

Oh, there is more. The ever courteous PIO called me back and left a voicemail which I diligently saved. In his message, he openly acknowledged that I had legitimate good cause and to call back in a few months once the Sheriff resumed accepting applications. This was in 2012. I continued to call throughout 2013 and was given varying stories from the department as to why applications were still not being accepted.

SOB's and LIARS all of them. The only way to get movement from the illustrious Laurie Smith is to sue her.
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Why isn't this being challenged in court?!!
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Why isn't this being challenged in court?!!
There is already a case entitled Scoca v. Smith.

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Old 02-21-2014, 4:19 PM
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There is already a case entitled Scoca v. Smith.

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Thanks for the heads up!

I'm wondering if that case will prolong Smith changing her policy given today's news that SD will not appeal.

I won't be holding my breath that SC Co. will be even accepting applications now if they weren't before.
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