Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > GENERAL DISCUSSION > General gun discussions
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

General gun discussions This is a place to lounge and discuss firearm related topics with other forum members.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-21-2019, 3:02 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Camera options for shooting

I've been battling with finding a hat mounted camera that can handle competition shooting and operate properly. I've tried the go pro hero which does not like gunfire. The Mic will make a warping sound with gunshots. The only one that somewhat works is the contour roam 3 which handles the noise but once in awhile won't record any sound with some videos.
Has anyone had similar troubles/solutions? Does anyone know any good hat mounted cameras that can handle competition?

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-21-2019, 3:34 PM
jpl1979 jpl1979 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 46
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Maybe a separate camera and mic setup?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-21-2019, 5:16 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpl1979 View Post
Maybe a separate camera and mic setup?
I hadn't thought of that but I wouldn't know what to get. It sounds like more of a hassle

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-21-2019, 5:20 PM
sigstroker sigstroker is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: not in CA
Posts: 7,477
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Surf youtube and when you see a video you like, ask the guy that he used.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-21-2019, 6:24 PM
rvicta rvicta is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: San Diego
Posts: 456
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

I use a ReplayXD Prime X mounted with a visor mount on my cap. The camera is 3oz and looks like a flashlight. There's an app for the camera so that you can level it before you start recording. The company that originally made the camera was bought out by someone else but it looks like they're not producing anything new. It seems that some companies are still selling them, probably just to get rid of inventory.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-21-2019, 6:37 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rvicta View Post
I use a ReplayXD Prime X mounted with a visor mount on my cap. The camera is 3oz and looks like a flashlight. There's an app for the camera so that you can level it before you start recording. The company that originally made the camera was bought out by someone else but it looks like they're not producing anything new. It seems that some companies are still selling them, probably just to get rid of inventory.
Thank you, I'll just have to do some research on it. Looks like it's gonna be a good $450 with the hat clip

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-21-2019, 7:24 PM
Mustard Mustard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 277
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

I'm in the same boat and was thinking the latest generation of gopro, but this thread has made me think twice....

Can you go into more detail about how the gopro doesn't like the gunfire? How does the field of view look? It'd be nice to have a field of view that gets close to aim-down-sights, instead of looking over the gun.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-21-2019, 7:45 PM
NATEWA NATEWA is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,880
iTrader: 67 / 100%
Default

https://www.tactacam.com/products/
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-21-2019, 8:28 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
I'm in the same boat and was thinking the latest generation of gopro, but this thread has made me think twice....

Can you go into more detail about how the gopro doesn't like the gunfire? How does the field of view look? It'd be nice to have a field of view that gets close to aim-down-sights, instead of looking over the gun.
It was the go pro hero 5 seesion to be precise. The sound and FOV were great. The app allows you to view/edit videos on your phone. However, the gunfire would make the mic peak with a sort of alien warping sound.
If you want a view down the sights you can try a chest mounting option which I know go pro has but I have no clue about other cameras. I've also seen camera glasses with bad reviews, and also rail mounts for cameras

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-21-2019, 8:41 PM
ocabj's Avatar
ocabj ocabj is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Riverside
Posts: 7,553
iTrader: 41 / 100%
Default

For my range vlogs, my primary audio source is a Zoom H1 with a RODE SmartLav+ with adapter. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...Tc-Jq3p54uzYPu

You don't want to use the GoPro for your primary audio source since as you mentioned, it clips easily. Most cameras have an automatic peaking setting to lower the volume if it detects audio peaks. Higher end cameras with the ability to manually control audio will help you mitigate this.

But for this scenario, getting a cheap standalone audio recorder should work for you. If you get a Zoom H1 or other Zoom standalone record, just use the onboard mics which are pretty decent and add the wind screen (dead cat). Sync the audio in post (I use PluralEyes, but you can do this by hand as long as you use a 'clapper' for a sync reference). Adjust the input levels accordingly.
__________________

Distinguished Rifleman #1924
NRA Certified Instructor (Rifle and Metallic Cartridge Reloading) and RSO
https://www.ocabj.net | http://jocabphoto.com

My AR15 Service Rifle - Used for CMP/NRA High Power Service Rifle Competitions
My Eliseo R5 (Remington 700) Tube Gun - Used for NRA High Power (Match Category) Competitions
My M1 Garand Service Rifle - Used for JCG Matches, rebuilt by Dean's Gun Restorations
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-21-2019, 8:43 PM
Brush Guard Brush Guard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 654
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Tape over the microphone?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-21-2019, 8:55 PM
spfabrication's Avatar
spfabrication spfabrication is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: ID
Posts: 961
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

My GoPro Session works great and I run it on my hat or ear pro.

__________________
GO NAVY

Last edited by spfabrication; 05-21-2019 at 9:09 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-21-2019, 8:59 PM
Mr.Cip's Avatar
Mr.Cip Mr.Cip is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Fremont CA
Posts: 644
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default Camera options for shooting

I use a Contour camera. Itís has a picatinny mount that I use to attach to my AR and shotgun. I also have a mount for my ear muffs and hat.
Video is good. Sound seems fine for me.

http://contour.com/



Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-21-2019, 9:04 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Cip View Post
I use a Contour camera. Itís has a picatinny mount that I use to attach to my AR and shotgun. I also have a mount for my ear muffs and hat.
Video is good. Sound seems fine for me.

http://contour.com/



Which contour do you use? I have the roam 3 and it seems to choose which videos to record sound.

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-21-2019, 9:06 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by spfabrication View Post
My GoPro Session works great and I run it on my hat or ear pro.
I guess certain go pros work fine. The hero 5 session is a definite no go for gunfire.

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-22-2019, 7:11 AM
hmvan's Avatar
hmvan hmvan is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 260
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

I still use a GoPro Hero 3+ will a rail mount. Iím no cinematographer but the audio quality has never bothered me. I have not used a hat/helmet mount so canít be of help there.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-22-2019, 7:16 AM
the_tunaman's Avatar
the_tunaman the_tunaman is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 657
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ocabj View Post
For my range vlogs, my primary audio source is a Zoom H1 with a RODE SmartLav+ with adapter. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...Tc-Jq3p54uzYPu

You don't want to use the GoPro for your primary audio source since as you mentioned, it clips easily. Most cameras have an automatic peaking setting to lower the volume if it detects audio peaks. Higher end cameras with the ability to manually control audio will help you mitigate this.

But for this scenario, getting a cheap standalone audio recorder should work for you. If you get a Zoom H1 or other Zoom standalone record, just use the onboard mics which are pretty decent and add the wind screen (dead cat). Sync the audio in post (I use PluralEyes, but you can do this by hand as long as you use a 'clapper' for a sync reference). Adjust the input levels accordingly.
Yep - I was going to suggest the Zoom also. Amazing audio quality and very flexible mic/input options.
__________________
MAGA - drain the swamp^D^D^D^D^Dcesspool!
Proud deplorable wacist!
#NotMyStateGovernment!
Just remember BAMN - there is no level too low for them to stoop!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-22-2019, 8:34 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 13,870
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

I use a Canon DSRL and a tripod. I hate shaky videos, tired of MTV too.

The DSLR mic will overload like most. I use a Tascam DR-70D 4 track digital portable recorder with an external AKG 460B mic, it has a pad (usually not needed) and the DR-70D has a digital limiter to prevent overloads.

Press the tone sync and line it up in post for perfect HD video and 96k 24 bit digital sound.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-22-2019, 8:42 AM
tonyxcom's Avatar
tonyxcom tonyxcom is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: NorCal
Posts: 6,032
iTrader: 43 / 100%
Default

DJI has a new action camera to compete with Hero 7. Has better image stability too.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-22-2019, 9:33 AM
balmo's Avatar
balmo balmo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,632
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

I know what you're saying about the warping sound, I'd like to think of it as dubstep 😆. My brother has hero7 and I take his videos as 2nd person. It gunfire still kinna sounds like dubstep.

I used to mount a Contour on my ear protection before, 1st gen Countour I believe. Gunfire sounds as it is and always took the audio. I like thier form factor better the GoPro but they are outdated already.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 05-22-2019, 9:54 AM
Mustard Mustard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 277
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by balmo View Post
I know what you're saying about the warping sound, I'd like to think of it as dubstep ��. My brother has hero7 and I take his videos as 2nd person. It gunfire still kinna sounds like dubstep.

I used to mount a Contour on my ear protection before, 1st gen Countour I believe. Gunfire sounds as it is and always took the audio. I like thier form factor better the GoPro but they are outdated already.
I don't suppose you could link a youtube video of this weird sound? I found this and it seems fine
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 05-22-2019, 10:00 AM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
I don't suppose you could link a youtube video of this weird sound? I found this and it seems fine
The hero 5 session is MUCH worse than this one

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 05-22-2019, 10:01 AM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by balmo View Post
I know what you're saying about the warping sound, I'd like to think of it as dubstep . My brother has hero7 and I take his videos as 2nd person. It gunfire still kinna sounds like dubstep.



I used to mount a Contour on my ear protection before, 1st gen Countour I believe. Gunfire sounds as it is and always took the audio. I like thier form factor better the GoPro but they are outdated already.
My contour roam 3 was one of the new ones but now they have a new 4k camera. I might try it out but so far I haven't found any examples of its ability.

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 05-22-2019, 11:38 AM
balmo's Avatar
balmo balmo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,632
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
I don't suppose you could link a youtube video of this weird sound? I found this and it seems fine
Yup its right there; a slight warping, dubstep'ish sound at the beginning of the gunfire. OP, That's what you're talking about ya?

Here is my brother at Magnus Cup. A hint of dubstep at the beginning of the gunfire.
https://www.facebook.com/jon.dator/v...type=3&theater

Here's a full on dubstep; my buddy shooting Open in Area1 a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hraAsoeWI

In contrast here's my old Contour. Shooting Open. Very loud but still, no 'dubstep'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTFlN-fVKoc

I don't mind the dubstep sound of GoPro. Actually I like it, but have moved away from 1st person cam to 2nd person phone vid.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 05-22-2019, 11:41 AM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by balmo View Post
Yup its right there; a slight warping, dubstep'ish sound at the beginning of the gunfire. OP, That's what you're talking about ya?



Here is my brother at Magnus Cup. A hint of dubstep at the beginning of the gunfire.

https://www.facebook.com/jon.dator/v...type=3&theater



Here's a full on dubstep; my buddy shooting Open in Area1 a few years back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hraAsoeWI



In contrast here's my old Contour. Shooting Open. Very loud but still, no 'dubstep'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTFlN-fVKoc



I don't mind the dubstep sound of GoPro. Actually I like it, but have moved away from 1st person cam to 2nd person phone vid.
Yup that's the warp sound but the hero 5 session is much MUCH worse. I would be happy with my contour roam 3 but it's a pain when some videos don't have sound. I don't see myself getting a bunch of stuff then editing videos later. I just want something simple that will fit on a hat, record without issues, and stay simple. I'm very grateful for all the suggestions. I'm just taking a lot of time to research each one

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 05-23-2019, 11:04 AM
Mustard Mustard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 277
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Ok, now i hear the difference. I'd call it "clipping" rather than dubstep, but i know what you're talking about.

Doesn't bother me. To each their own. Good luck in your search
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 05-24-2019, 8:30 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 13,870
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

A 140+ db gunshot will overload most cheap electret condenser mics in the cameras. An external mic must be used. Even then, the high SPL levels may also overload the mic preamps as they are not adjustable and rely on automatic gain circuits.

That DR-70D recorder I use will take those levels and give very clean gunshot sounds. My nephew uses one in Africa as a field recorder.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 05-24-2019, 8:32 AM
SAD338 SAD338 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 585
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Take some inspiration from GoPro's own videos. You don't need audio when you can just overlay actual dubstep over it. Lol.

PS. You must be good looking and fit to do this.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 05-24-2019, 9:47 AM
Mustard Mustard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 277
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi Jah View Post
A 140+ db gunshot will overload most cheap electret condenser mics in the cameras. An external mic must be used. Even then, the high SPL levels may also overload the mic preamps as they are not adjustable and rely on automatic gain circuits.

That DR-70D recorder I use will take those levels and give very clean gunshot sounds. My nephew uses one in Africa as a field recorder.
You sound knowledgeable on the subject. Would i be damaging the stock microphone in the gopro (or any other action cam for that matter) by exposing it to gunfire? Any cheap ways i can attenuate the sound levels?
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 05-24-2019, 9:52 AM
Mustard Mustard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 277
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SAD338 View Post
Take some inspiration from GoPro's own videos. You don't need audio when you can just overlay actual dubstep over it. Lol.

PS. You must be good looking and fit to do this.
Honestly, i was thinking about dubbing Elton John - Saturday night's alright for fighting over the video. Got my inspiration from the final gunfight scene in Kingsman 2
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 05-25-2019, 8:21 AM
Jimi Jah's Avatar
Jimi Jah Jimi Jah is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North San Diego County
Posts: 13,870
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
You sound knowledgeable on the subject. Would i be damaging the stock microphone in the gopro (or any other action cam for that matter) by exposing it to gunfire? Any cheap ways i can attenuate the sound levels?
Damage? Probably not. Dust is worse for those mic elements. Otherwise, distance is your friend. If you can inject an external mic with a built in pad, that may work. Otherwise you are subject to the automatic gain control circuits. Those run high gain until a loud sound is present. Then they turn down for just a moment. A double tap would be a good test, the second shot may sound cleaner after the AGC circuits attenuate.

Or do what I do, use pro audio gear.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 05-25-2019, 9:48 AM
NATEWA NATEWA is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,880
iTrader: 67 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Cip View Post
I use a Contour camera. Itís has a picatinny mount that I use to attach to my AR and shotgun. I also have a mount for my ear muffs and hat.
Video is good. Sound seems fine for me.

http://contour.com/





I have an old contour and love it. I thought they went out of business? Glad to see they are still around.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 05-25-2019, 3:34 PM
Mustard Mustard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 277
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimi Jah View Post
Damage? Probably not. Dust is worse for those mic elements. Otherwise, distance is your friend. If you can inject an external mic with a built in pad, that may work. Otherwise you are subject to the automatic gain control circuits. Those run high gain until a loud sound is present. Then they turn down for just a moment. A double tap would be a good test, the second shot may sound cleaner after the AGC circuits attenuate.

Or do what I do, use pro audio gear.
Thanks.

Not to hijack from the OP, but I'm not inclined to purchase an external mic. I'm not an audio-phile, just don't want to break my gopro microphone. Maybe I'll try taping cotton balls over the microphone ports.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 05-25-2019, 3:54 PM
Rez805 Rez805 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 302
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I used to have a mobius action cam. It was great but it died.

I now use a Firefly Q6. stick some hook & loop on a belt clip and it tucks in neatly under the brim of your hat. The sound isn't as good as the mobius, but at least it isn't the "thwip" sound.

Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 05-25-2019, 3:59 PM
ahom ahom is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 12
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustard View Post
Thanks.



Not to hijack from the OP, but I'm not inclined to purchase an external mic. I'm not an audio-phile, just don't want to break my gopro microphone. Maybe I'll try taping cotton balls over the microphone ports.
I with you. I don't want a bunch of extra stuff, just a simple camera to turn on/off, charge, and download videos onto my PC or USB drive. Plus I'm not a editing genius

Sent from my VS988 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 05-25-2019, 4:42 PM
tencreations_ar888's Avatar
tencreations_ar888 tencreations_ar888 is offline
I have 1 Gunz
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: California
Posts: 1,304
iTrader: 64 / 100%
Default

Not much of a choice when it comes to the hero 5 session. The sound levels get blown out easily when itís mounted for FPV. I just got used to layering music over it.

I like the small form factor and sound isnít a priority.
__________________
"Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." - Niebuhr
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 1:54 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.