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Old 05-11-2019, 10:06 AM
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New since last week - Whole Foods in Napa posted signage at both doors

No Firearms on Premises.

I deleted my discount app and will avoid this place as I never want to be in a killing zone. Good luck to all the lefty shoppers.
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I didn't realise how dangerous Napa is.
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Silly me. I didn’t consider that aspect. It isn’t, or haven’t been. I moved here from Alameda county almost 4 decades ago as then it was a gun friendly 2nd amendment veteran stronghold. That has died with the hippy side of the wine industry and the younger generation of liberal haters.
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New since last week - Whole Foods in Napa posted signage at both doors



No Firearms on Premises.



I deleted my discount app and will avoid this place as I never want to be in a killing zone. Good luck to all the lefty shoppers.


Lemme get this straight: You refuse to go anywhere at all without being armed? Or you’re voting with your wallet to demonstrate your opposition to the store’s policy? Which is it?


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New since last week - Whole Foods in Napa posted signage at both doors

No Firearms on Premises.

I deleted my discount app and will avoid this place as I never want to be in a killing zone. Good luck to all the lefty shoppers.
You realize this is not Texas and their signage is meaningless. Concealed means concealed, worst case if somehow you are printing is that you will be asked to leave.
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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to overpay for damn near everything in a Whole Food's store to start with.
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How did you get a ccw in Napa?

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You realize this is not Texas and their signage is meaningless. Concealed means concealed, worst case if somehow you are printing is that you will be asked to leave.
Really? To me, a worse scenario is that whoever notices doesn't want to confront the "man with a gun" and calls the cops to do it. They show up, make a public spectacle (1 confronts you while others, with hands on guns, cover him), they or WF contacts your IA (just like you're required to do), to tell them you carried in a GFZ despite signage, and you lose your CCW....

Even worse is you getting cuffed in public for "officer safety." Don't be "that guy."

Even worse is things really go south (even if LEO's fault) and you get shot (injured/disabled/die).

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New since last week - Whole Foods in Napa posted signage at both doors

No Firearms on Premises.

I deleted my discount app and will avoid this place as I never want to be in a killing zone. Good luck to all the lefty shoppers.
Sign means nothing unless it'a s federal/govt building..

I laugh at those silly little signs..
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Really? To me, a worse scenario is that whoever notices doesn't want to confront the "man with a gun" and calls the cops to do it. They show up, make a public spectacle (1 confronts you while others, with hands on guns, cover him), they (or WF), contacts your IA to tell them you carried in a GFZ despite signage, and you lose your CCW....

Even worse is you getting cuffed in public for "officer safety."

Even worse is things really go south (even if LEO's fault) and you get shot (injured/disabled/die).

Stuff happens.... Don't be "that guy."
A private business with a sign is not a GFZ.. you know that..

And you could get the cops called on you anywhere for printing.. if you're that worried you shouldn't carry
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How did you get a cow in Napa?
If by "cow" you meant "CCW," by not living in the City of Napa, but still in Napa County and applying with the sheriff. I can't recall if you get denied by Napa PD if you can then apply with Napa Co SO. The law changed a few years ago allowing sheriffs to defer ALL issuance for incorporated city residents to apply only through their own PD. (I don't have time and I don't live in Napa Co, but you can research it.)
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Sign means nothing unless it'a s federal/govt building...
Wrong.
I’ll assume you meant federal buildings and government buildings in general (state and local as well), not just federal government buildings. That leaves —just off the top of my head specific to my county but applicable to any licensee from any county, including OC:

Sacramento County regional parks
City of Sacramento parks
Cosumnes CSD parks
Sacramento Regional Wastewater buffer lands

Your county may also have such laws, and any signs posted at those places would very definitely mean something to you whether you want them to or not.
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New since last week - Whole Foods in Napa posted signage at both doors



No Firearms on Premises.



I deleted my discount app and will avoid this place as I never want to be in a killing zone. Good luck to all the lefty shoppers.


Doesn’t bother me, it’s been that way at my
Local whole paycheck store for some time.
Many businesses in the state of AZ have the same posting outside of their business.
This isn’t all too uncommon.


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Whole Foods in San Jose on blossom hill, has a big sign No firearms on premise
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If by "cow" you meant "CCW," by not living in the City of Napa, but still in Napa County and applying with the sheriff. I can't recall if you get denied by Napa PD if you can then apply with Napa Co SO. The law changed a few years ago allowing sheriffs to defer ALL issuance for incorporated city residents to apply only through their own PD. (I don't have time and I don't live in Napa Co, but you can research it.)
Napa is still a hard place to get a ccw
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Aha, lots of ideas tossed out to ponder.

Paladin made a good presentation of a nightmare

Napa County residents have had CCW be reasonable for many decades., provided you ave a reason and your not a jerk. But the grumble is it’s just gotten to be different. More difficult for some to get CCW while the same ‘ol same for others.

I think a sign in the window is anti constitution, a socialist comment against self preservation. I do not spend time or money where freedom is discouraged.

Whole paycheck is largely a cheeky junk food store with a few good products. Sales of meat, fish and produce can be good. And shopping during the first half hour of the day was fine. Otherwise, the crowd is pretty rude, it’s the only store that reminds me of my days in Berkeley coop in the 1970’s - frantic pissy shoppers.

Like Napa wine the majority of items are over rated and overpriced.

By the way, I’m quite busy these days and don’t check Calguns too often so my input will be infrequent.

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I always smile when I read those signs...I feel like I'm breaking the law when in fact I'm ignoring their illegal BS.
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A private business with a sign is not a GFZ.. you know that..
I was using GFZ in a non-technical sense, like the "This Home is a Gun-Free Zone!" signs your liberal neighbors have in their front yards. (If they won't do that, you can put a "My Liberal Neighbors are Unarmed" sign up in your front yard. )

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And you could get the cops called on you anywhere for printing.. if you're that worried you shouldn't carry
My reply was in regard to those saying the only consequences will be getting asked to leave. I showed how easily LE could become involved and that will require you to inform your IA of the incident and when they find out you carried against a restriction on your CCW (not to carry in GFZs, whether private or public), you will likely lose your "privilege"/permit to CC.

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Napa is still a hard place to get a ccw
Rather than hijack this thread, I copied your post and put it in the Napa Co CCW Info thread. Let's discuss it there.
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You realize this is not Texas and their signage is meaningless. Concealed means concealed, worst case if somehow you are printing is that you will be asked to leave.

Tanks,

Some issuing authorities (Sacramento) prohibit carrying if any business/place has a sign prohibiting guns. So it may not be against State law but you could potentially lose your LTC because of it.
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I'm torn. Living in the south bay, Whole Foods is the only place to get real school, old fashioned sour dough bread- the stuff you had as a kid. Not the homogenized generic crap every grocery store sells nowadays. That pronounced sour tang, real chewy crust, that's just right in its crispy outer shell- Acme Bread.

I'll likely still go for it- a guy's got to do what a guy's got to do...living on the edge baby.
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Really? To me, a worse scenario is that whoever notices doesn't want to confront the "man with a gun" and calls the cops to do it. They show up, make a public spectacle (1 confronts you while others, with hands on guns, cover him), they or WF contacts your IA (just like you're required to do), to tell them you carried in a GFZ despite signage, and you lose your CCW....

Even worse is you getting cuffed in public for "officer safety." Don't be "that guy."

Even worse is things really go south (even if LEO's fault) and you get shot (injured/disabled/die).

Stuff happens....
You’re probably more likely to get hit by a car in the parking lot while walking into the store, whether you’re carrying or not. Maybe you shouldn’t leave the house at all.
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I'm torn. Living in the south bay, Whole Foods is the only place to get real school, old fashioned sour dough bread- the stuff you had as a kid. Not the homogenized generic crap every grocery store sells nowadays. That pronounced sour tang, real chewy crust, that's just right in its crispy outer shell- Acme Bread.

I'll likely still go for it- a guy's got to do what a guy's got to do...living on the edge baby.
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Doesn’t bother me, it’s been that way at my
Local whole paycheck store for some time.
Many businesses in the state of AZ have the same posting outside of their business.
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You’re probably more likely to get hit by a car in the parking lot while walking into the store, whether you’re carrying or not. Maybe you shouldn’t leave the house at all.


You’re probably more likely to get hit by a car in the parking lot while walking into the store, than to need a handgun for self defense. Maybe you shouldn’t leave the house at all.
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...they or WF contacts your IA (just like you're required to do), to tell them you carried in a GFZ despite signage, and you lose your CCW.... ...
Private business sign does not make it a GFZ.

However, as pointed out above some IAs (not mine) do prohibit CCW at businesses with no gun signs, so your mileage will vary.
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Private business sign does not make it a GFZ.
That was already explained.

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I was using GFZ in a non-technical sense, like the "This Home is a Gun-Free Zone!" signs your liberal neighbors have in their front yards. (If they won't do that, you can put a "My Liberal Neighbors are Unarmed" sign up in your front yard. )
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Amazon now owns Whole Foods. You can buy at Whole Foods on the internet through Amazon and a number of areas have 2-hour delivery response.

So, technically, Amazon is bringing Whole Foods to my house.

Can I carry while they are delivering?

Do I need to post a sign?







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Big difference in AZ is that the sign actually means something, and its not just a possible trespassing charge as it can be in Ca if you don't leave when asked.


I wasn’t aware of that!! Thank you for putting that out there. A couple of months ago( I was pulling into the whole paycheck parking lot and I see a customer of mine, an NRA certified Instructor for various classes. I handed him my pelican box and he opens it up to see my new Colt Gold Cup Trophy...
personally, I could care less if someone is carrying with a CCW permit in my biz. I feel it is a political stunt by whole paycheck/Amazon and I kinda frown upon that.


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Not even close my friend. I've chatted with Boudin's head baker, he's aware and says the market overall wants more blandish flavor. Blasphemy!

Getcha some of each and compare. Or don't, you'll never go back to Boudin... ;-)
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These “no firearms” signs don’t mean a dang thing. It’s called concealed carry for a reason. Nobody can see it! Worst case scenario, you just say you don’t identify with the written English language today.
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Geez guys! Lay off Paladin. After ALL that he's done to help many of the Calgunners living in the surrounding Bay Area counties, you would think that more of us would give him a bit more respect. He has done so much to try and advance CCW in many of the counties that he doesn't live in. Just check out the Contra Costa CCW and Yolo CCW threads for all of the info he's posted there. If anyone here is well read on the subject, it's him. If Calgunners have anyone on their side to get a CCW, it's him.

I understood exactly what he meant.

As for Whole Foods, they have some awesome meats, veggies etc. Not sure of their 2A stance, but you may want to try Lunardi's for similar quality meats and veggies.
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And Texas has no gun signs. I believe they carry legal weight.



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And open carry too

Anyone else get the irony of the first sign's code section?
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Anyone else get the irony of the first sign's code section?


As in 30.06?


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IF/WHEN I carry my CCW, and that's 24/7/365 BTW, it's concealed and out of sight ... out of mind

Therefore, as far as anyone knows ... I am NOT carrying CCW

Objective of the "sign" is ... I am obeying the sign.

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Old 05-14-2019, 3:34 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out why someone would want to overpay for damn near everything in a Whole Food's store to start with.
Whole Foods is for rich people..... Between Costco Walmart sprouts and Trader Joe’s there is no need to shop at Amazon owned Whole Foods, everything is way more expensive.
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So what happens if you carry there? illegal? I guess not, they can't take your rights, just like uber/left to say no carry and I carry and was stopped b4.
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So what happens if you carry there? illegal? I guess not, they can't take your rights, just like uber/left to say no carry and I carry and was stopped b4.
covered above. not illegal. they can only ask you to leave the premises and then if you do not, that is illegal (trespassing).

then you need to report LEO contact to your IA (I think all of them have that requirement these days). whether or not the ignoring of the sign matters to your IA is a matter specific to your IA's policies.
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As in 30.06?
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