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Old 08-04-2015, 9:31 PM
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I wanted to start a thread that will share all reloading data for 9mm carbine/rifle loads.

This will cover all 9mm carbine/rifles from AR stuff to Ruger camp 9's.
Keltec and CX-4 shooters..... you are welcome too.

I only ask that people post up what they have used and works.
Links to info and anything else you can think of is also welcome.



That's pretty much it.
Let the discussion begin....

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A general consensus about these carbine/rifle loads is that the med to hot loads seem to work better cause of the blow-back operation of the firearm.
I have 2 9mm carbines and this has been the case for me.
Also, we see an increase in fps through the longer barrel.

(reference link)
http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html


Below are loads I have used successfully in steel matches, and some other matches.
I have way more powders to try... I just started to crono this stuff.

Bluedot Powder
9mm
7.4-7.5 grn 1.135" oal 115grn cprn (hot carbine load)
6.9-7.1 grn 1.135" oal 115grn cprn 1394 fps avg (med carbine load)


Tite Group Powder
9mm
124 grn cprn 3.7-3.8 grn 1.125" oal 1180 fps avg (lite carbine)
124 grn cprn 3.9-4.0 grn 1.125" oal 1212 fps avg (std carbine)


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I like 6/ Power Pistol and 8.2/ AA#7 under 124 JHP. They do about 1475 out of a 16" barrel and group a little over 1" at 100 yards from my AR.
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Using 7.5gn AA#7, Xtreme 115gn RN, COAL 1.140. Rifles: Olympic AR 9mm and Hipoint 995TS.
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Shoot the same loads in your 9MM carbine rifle as you do in your 9MM pistols. Expect only 200-250 fps more velocity in a 16" barreled carbine. In my Kel-Tec I like 124 FMJ's or jacketed HP's with CCI 500 primers using Unique powder. 124 gr. jacketed bullets with 5.0-5.4 grains of Unique makes a good accurate load in my pistols and Kel-Tec. My standard load is 5.1 grains and gets around 1250 fps in a 16" barrel and is easy on brass and very accurate. With Rem. 124 Golden Sabers and Speer Gold Dot's 5.4 grains of Unique. Check your manuals. Shooting the same loads in pistols and carbines keeps things simple and safe.
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+1 for Unique.

5.5 gr Unique behind 124 gr X-Treme RN's are tack drivers out of my 7.5" AR 9mm.

And cycles just fine... never had an issue. Although it took some tweaking on my part to get the AR to run. Ended up with a 9mm buffer and $2 in quarters behind the spring to limit travel of the BCG (most folks put $1.75 back there, but mine took an extra .25 cents ).
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My JRC 9mm shoots anything I feed it.
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Slower powder is the key to getting more speed out of a carbine.
7 grains of HS-6 is what I use out of my 16" JR carbine.
I also had very good luck with a stout AA#7.
Unique, win 231 have not been as accurate for me.
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9mm Olympic Arms AR Carbine, I'm using 124gr Winchester FMJ, 4.2gr W231, Win SP Primer, mixed cases, seated to 1.135". Load is safe in my gun, but I have no idea if it is in your gun. Start low and work up loads safely.
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It would be awesome if you guys could provide your chrono speeds too.

I use 3.6gr of 700x with a 124gr extreme plated rn and get just over 1000fps out of a Glock and about 1200fps out of my GMR-13. I pushed it up to 4.5gr and did not see much speed increase.

I would love something around 1400fps but I would rather not deal with two loads.
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The problem with a 9mm in a long barrel is the load can run out of steam before the bullet leaves the bore. I saw some weird stuff on the chrono when doing load development which forced me to settle on slow burning powders under medium weight bullets.

But if you're ok with shotgun patterns, continue to use medium and fast powders.
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+1 this was the reason JP recommends their 14.5" barrel.
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It would be awesome if you guys could provide your chrono speeds too.

I use 3.6gr of 700x with a 124gr extreme plated rn and get just over 1000fps out of a Glock and about 1200fps out of my GMR-13. I pushed it up to 4.5gr and did not see much speed increase.

I would love something around 1400fps but I would rather not deal with two loads.
200 fps differential is about right. I don't ave a 9mm carbine, but have 45 ACP, 38/357 and 45 Colt.

You can get a bit more with slow'ish powders. I like Unique in the ACP and bluedot in the revolver rounds...largely since I had them already. Don't know if you can put enough bluedot in 9mm, but I'd think something along the lines of HS-6 would be very good.
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You guys that bring up the med-slow powders do bring up good point.

As I continue to go through working up 9mm carbine loads for powders I currently posses, I be trying a wide assortment of different stuff.
I'll do my best to chrono the loads as I go.
I'm hoping to create a fairly decent database of loads for what people can find, or have on hand for powders.

I also dug around the interweb and found some burn-rate charts and ways to categorize powders.

Quickie chart below...

Fast Burning:
Red Dot
Clays
Bullseye
TITEGROUP
American Select
Trailboss

Medium Fast Burning:
AA #2
HP-38
W231
Unique
UNIVERSAL
Power Pistol


Medium Burning:
AA #5
HS-6
HS-7
Blue Dot
AA #7

Slow Burning:
2400
AA #9
LIL' GUN
H110
W296
IMR 4227


Other info and charts

http://www.darkcanyon.net/powderburningrates.html

and

http://www.reloadersnest.com/burnrates.asp

Be ready to scroll down to the big chart with every powder known to man.
I divided every 20 spaces.
As I whittle it down, it will be updated.


TOP is FASTEST.
BOTTOM is SLOWEST (250+listed)


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FASTEST
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#1-267 PCL 514 (PB Clermont)
#2-R-1 (Norma)
#3-AP-30N (ADI)

and the rest......
PK3 (Bofors)
P805 (Rottwil)
BA 10 (Vectan)
N310 (Vihtavuori)
Titewad (Hodgdon)
Nitro 100 (Accurate)
Bullseye (Alliant)
Pis-3 (Nobel)
Solo 1000 (Accurate)
P801 (Rottweil)
S121 (Somchem)
Red Diamond (Scot)
AS (Vectan)
Red Dot (Alliant)
PCL 509 (PB Clermont)
PK5 (Bofors)
----------------------------------------
#20--e3 (Alliant)
NOB-78 (Nobel)
Solo 1000 (Scout)
MS200 (Somchem)
Promo (Alliant)
AS- 30N (ADI)
Titegroup (Hodgdon)
No. 2 (Accurate)
American Select (Alliant)
AA Plus (Winchester)
N2010 (Norma)
Clays (Hodgdon)
N320 (Vihtavuori)
Competition (Ramshot)
Royal D (Scot)
WST (Winchester)
AP- 50N (ADI)
HP38 (Hodgdon)
452AA (Winchester)
453 (Scot)
----------------------------------------
#40--231 (Winchester)
PB (IMR)
Zip (Ramshot)
700X (IMR)
Green Dot (Alliant)
AS- 50N (ADI)
International Clays (Hodgdon)
PCL 515 (PB Clermont)
NOB-80 (Nobel)
No. 5 (Accurate)
473AA (Winchester)
HS-5 (Hodgdon)
WSL (Winchester)
PK4 (Bofors)
PCL 506 (PB Clermont)
P804 (Rottweil)
PCL 501 (PB Clermont)
Unique (Alliant)
Universal Clays (Hodgdon)
NOB-82 (Nobel)
-----------------------------------------
25% MEDIUM FAST
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#60--N330 (Vihtavuori)
AP- 70N (ADI)
Power Pistol (Alliant)
SR-7625 (IMR)
HS-6 (Hodgdon)
AS-70N (ADI)
Silhouette (Ramshot)
NOB-84 (Nobel)
WAP (Winchester)
N340 (Vihtavuori)
P803 (Rottweil)
MP200 (Somchem)
A1 (Vectan)
AP-90N (ADI)
540 (Winchester)
Herco (Alliant)
WSF (Winchester)
BA9 (Vectan)
SR-4756 (IMR)
PCL 504 (PB Clermont)
---------------------------------------------
#80--AP- 100 (ADI)
PK6 (Bofors)
AO (Vectan)
Solo 1250 (Accurate)
S221 (Somchem)
SP8 (Vectan)
3N37 (Vihtavuori)
800X (IMR)
No. 7 (Accurate)
Longshot (Hodgdon)
Solo 1500 (Scot)
True Blue (Ramshot)
NOB-86 (Nobel)
P806 (Rottweil)
SP2 (Vectan)
N350 (Vihtavuori)
3N38 (Vihtavuori)
HS-7 (Hodgdon)
Blue Dot (Alliant)
571 (Winchester)
--------------------------------------------------
#100--NOB-PP1 (Nobel)
N105 (Vihtavuori)
No. 9 (Accurate)
Enforcer (Ramshot)
4100 (Scot)
Steel (Alliant)
2400 (Alliant)
N110 (Vihtavuori)
Lil Gun (Hodgdon)
30 Carbine (Rottweil)
R123 (Norma)
PCL 512 (PB Clermont)
NOB-89 (Nobel)
SP3 (Vectan)
R910 (Rottweil)
S265 (Somchem)
REV-1 (Nobel)
H110 (Hodgdon)
REV-3 (Nobel)
BA6 (Vectan)
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50% MEDUIUM
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#120--296 (Winchester)
AR2205 (ADI)
SR-4759 (IMR)
N120 (Vihtavuori)
4227 (IMR)
RP1 (Bofors)
R901 (Rottweil)
H4227 (Hodgdon)
5744 XMR (Accurate)
410 (Alliant)
RIF-3 (Nobel)
N130 (Vihtavuori)
SP-3 (Vectan)
680 (Winchester)
N200 (Norma)
PCL 508 (PB Clermont)
1680 (Accurate)
TU2000 (Vectan)
AR2207 (ADI)
H4198 (Hodgdon)
------------------------------------------------
#140--N133 (Vihtavuori)
4198 (IMR)
BM1 (ADI)
Brig 4197 (Scot)
2015 XMR (Accurate)
Brig 3032 (Scot)
Reloader 7 (Alliant)
RIF-2 (Nobel)
3031 (IMR)
Benchmark (Hodgdon)
BM2 (ADI)
RP2 (Bofors)
R902 (Rottweil)
S321 (Somchem)
N201 (Norma)
Brig 322 (Scot)
AR2219 (ADI)
H322 (Hodgdon)
TU3000 (Vectan)
X-Terminator (Ramshot)
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#160--2230 (Accurate)
RIF-1 (Nobel)
748 (Winchester)
Reloader 10X (Alliant)
BLC-2 (Hodgdon)
AR2206 (ADI)
2460 (Accurate)
H335 (Hodgdon)
TAC (Ramshot)
H4895 (Hodgdon)
2495 XMR (Accurate)
AR2206H (ADI)
PCL 507 (PB Clermont)
N202 (Norma)
SP10 (Vectan)
BOF7.62 (Bofors)
S335 (Somchem)
Reloader 12 (Alliant)
4895 (IMR)
Brig 4065 (Scot)
N135 (Vihtavuori)
----------------------------------------
75% MEDIUM SLOW
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#180-- SP9 (Vectan)
Varget (Hodgdon)
5000 (Vectan)
AR2208 (ADI)
4064 (IMR)
4064 XMR (Accurate)
2520 (Accurate)
SP7 (Vectan)
4320 (IMR)
N203 (Norma)
R903 (Rottweil)
PCL 516 (PB Clermont)
BOF RP3 (Bofors)
N140 (Vihtavuori)
N540 (Vihtavuori)
2700 (Accurate)
Big Game (Ramshot)
Reloader 15 (Alliant)
H380 (Hodgdon)
N203B (Norma)
--------------------------------------
#200--S361 (Somchem)
S355 (Somchem)
R907 (Rottweil)
760 (Winchester)
Brig 4351 (Scot)
H414 (Hodgdon)
RIF-0 (Nobel)
TU5000 (Vectan)
PCL 511 (PB Clermont)
N150 (Vihtavuori)
N550 (Vihtavuori)
4350 XMR (Accurate)
4350 (IMR)
S365 (Somchem)
TU7000 (Vectan)
AR2209 (ADI)
H4350 (Hodgdon)
N204 (Norma)
R904 (Rottweil)
BOF RP4 (Bofors)
---------------------------------------------
#220--Hunter (Ramshot)
Reloader 19 (Alliant)
N160 (Vihtavuori)
N560 (Vihtavuori)
4831 (IMR)
Brig 4831 (Scot)
AR2213SC (ADI)
N205 (Norma)
3100 XMR (Accurate)
S385) Somchem)
WMR (Winchester)
H4831 (Hodgdon)
MRP (Norma)
S371 (Somchem)
R905 (Rottweil)
BOF RP5 (Bofors)
Reloader 22 (Alliant)
785 (Winchester)
H450 (Hodgdon)
Mag Pro (Accurate)
N165 (Vihtavuori)
-----------------------------------------
THE REST....SLOOOWWW
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#240--WXR (Winchester)
7828 (IMR)
H1000 (Hodgdon)
SP12 (Vectan)
PCL 517 (PB Clermont)
AR2217 (ADI)
Magnum (Ramshot)
Reloader 25 (Alliant)
MRP2 (Norma)
TU8000 (Vectan)
AR2225 (ADI)
Retumbo (Hodgdon)
W785 (Winchester)
H870 (Hodgdon)
AR2218 (ADI)
B-12.7 (Somchem)
N170 (Vihtavuori)
AR2211 (ADI)
8700 (Accurate)
24N41 (Vihtavuori)
W870 (Winchester)
50 BMG (Hodgdon)
H5010 (Hodgdon)
PCL 513 (PB Clermont)
SP13 (Vectan)
20N29 (Vihtavuori)


This end is SLOWEST burn rate.
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Shoot the same loads in your 9MM carbine rifle as you do in your 9MM pistols. Expect only 200-250 fps more velocity in a 16" barreled carbine. In my Kel-Tec I like 124 FMJ's or jacketed HP's with CCI 500 primers using Unique powder. 124 gr. jacketed bullets with 5.0-5.4 grains of Unique makes a good accurate load in my pistols and Kel-Tec. My standard load is 5.1 grains and gets around 1250 fps in a 16" barrel and is easy on brass and very accurate. With Rem. 124 Golden Sabers and Speer Gold Dot's 5.4 grains of Unique. Check your manuals. Shooting the same loads in pistols and carbines keeps things simple and safe.

I also use my pistol loads, IMR700X, 4 grains I believe
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I also use my pistol loads, IMR700X, 4 grains I believe
X3 for me. I have had very good results with both 115 & 124 gr FMJ with Unique pistol loads. I am toying with doing some special load development with a slower burning powder, maybe 3N37 or N350, but will start with published pistol loads and see what gains, if any the slower burning powder gives me.
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FWIW, I believe it was Lymans has/had data specific to 45 ACP Camp Carbine. They might for 9mm as well.
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FWIW, I believe it was Lymans has/had data specific to 45 ACP Camp Carbine. They might for 9mm as well.
I did find some data in the 48th ed. for 9mm carbine (16" barrel)

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As you can see, the slower powders maximize the velocity in the carbine barrel.
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I just built a 9mm carbine that is 16" long and tried it with the light 9mm ammo I load for my mom's XD 4" pistol. It worked great but had one or two times that the bolt didn't lock back.

BearCreek 125tc moly coated lead bullet
hp-38 4.0
COAL 1.115"
wolf small pistol primers
I haven't bothered to chrono these lately.

My next batch is the same, but 4.2 grains of hp-38. This will still be a light load for a pistol, but may provide enough movement to lock the bolt back. I suspect that sometimes the bolt doesn't get enough force and travel back far enough, but I have not looked into the issue closely as I was having too much fun shooting the new gun.
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I did a few more tonite.
9mm AR Carbine w/16" barrel.



Vhitvouri N340
124gr CPRN 4.4-4.5 grn 1.135 oal 1162 fps avg



Power Pistol
124gr CPRN 6.0-6.1 grn 1.140 oal 1450 fps avg


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I did a few more tonite.
9mm AR Carbine w/16" barrel.



Vhitvouri N340
124gr CPRN 4.4-4.5 grn 1.135 oal 1162 fps avg



Power Pistol
124gr CPRN 6.0-6.1 grn 1.140 oal 1450 fps avg


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Power pistol looks abit warm based on the data above.
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Power pistol looks abit warm based on the data above.
It seemed like it had the most pop.

The bluedot load I posted above had some zip too.

I saved all brass and looked it all over closely....no issues with anything I could find.
Everything cycled great in both my 9mm AR carbines.

Should be just fine for knocking down steel at the matches.

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Bumping this necro thread for more recipe additions....considering the popularity of 9mm PCC , new powders that have come along, etc.
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I shot some 95 or 100 gr bullets over BE-86. These shot very well.

I think I will try a heavier buffer next time. Currently has H2 buffer.


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Thanks Todd, great info here.



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Extreme 124 FP over 4.6 grains of CFEP average of 10 shots 1184 FPS makes power factor of 135+.
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