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Old 07-16-2018, 10:29 PM
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Why do you buy silver instead of gold?? Expect it all to continue to decline as long as equities continue to outperform and inflation doesn't take off (over 6%).
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As long as equities continue to outperform precious metals and inflation does not exceed 5% dont expect precious metals to do anything but continue to decline / stagnate.

I have been buying two Krugerrand or maple-leafs a month for over 15 years now... I dont do it for any other reason than asset diversification and to have something tangible in my immediate possession. I would never look to gold as a way to "make" a significant amount of money.

It it ever does become REALLY valuable, guns, ammo clean water and medical supplies will be far more valuable.
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In all honesty I prefer silver to gold. Then I'm not a rich person. The only gold coins I have are 1/10th and 1/4 ounce coins. They fit nice in places I want to keep them. As for bullion I prefer silver maple leafs and buy them when I can.

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Why do you buy silver instead of gold?? Expect it all to continue to decline as long as equities continue to outperform and inflation doesn't take off (over 6%).
They buy silver because they want to be in the game, but can't afford to be in the game. Silver is the poor man's gold.
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I buy silver more for SHTF situations, lower value than gold but easier to barter with.
When I was a kid, neighbor would give me and my brothers silver dollars for birthdays and Christmas.
Been buying junk silver also, some 5 and 10 oz bars, some mint rounds, but have
decided to buy mostly US silver dollars.
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I buy silver more for SHTF situations, lower value than gold but easier to barter with.
When I was a kid, neighbor would give me and my brothers silver dollars for birthdays and Christmas.
Been buying junk silver also, some 5 and 10 oz bars, some mint rounds, but have
decided to buy mostly US silver dollars.



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$15.42 AG, and $1,222.39 AU.

Obama did better... I remember $14.88 AG, and $1050.xy AU.
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Oh, to live in lala land.
It'd be nice to be there again...
It is on its way
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Silver $15.20 this morning.
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I buy silver more for SHTF situations, lower value than gold but easier to barter with.
When I was a kid, neighbor would give me and my brothers silver dollars for birthdays and Christmas.
Been buying junk silver also, some 5 and 10 oz bars, some mint rounds, but have
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How is silver easier to barter with exactly?
You know, like when the power grid down and there's no water and roving gangs are going door to door looking for food and whatnot, you can trade your silver coins for stuff. I think that's the theory.
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1/2 oz of Gold is worth about $615.
1/2 oz of Silver $7.60
Easier to barter with the smaller value coins.
If I wanted to transport my stash of coins, gold would be easier to move.
Staying put. Silver is my choice.
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Quick question fellows? Let me first say I like reading this Thread and I do not collect silver at all but I've been asked to buy this

750 = 1965 silver half dollar coins

250 = 1966 silver half dollar coins

100 = 1 oz Sunshine Silver Bar

50 = 10 oz Sunshine Silver Bar

2 = 100 oz Texas Mint silver bars

1 = 100 oz Sunshine Silver Bar

All the above for $12,000 I have been saving for a boat is this worth it & how hard is it to dump without paying taxes? My friend needs the money and said its his lost need to know by 5 pm.


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I can't find the value on 66' dollars.

The rest comes up to $15,584.50 bullion purchase price. That does not include spot fees or taxes. And you wont get that value selling to a vendor.

I would seriously wonder why your friend is willing to sell them at a loss to you rather than to a vendor where he should get more than $12k for them.

http://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html

https://www.apmex.com/spotprices/silver-prices
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Well he is in a bad situation away from home I have the key to his house & combo to his safe. I will leave it at that.
All he said about the coins is he called them junk silver & a bonus.

Thanks for your info.
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You know, like when the power grid down and there's no water and roving gangs are going door to door looking for food and whatnot, you can trade your silver coins for stuff. I think that's the theory.
Yeah, cause thats what they are wanting when they show up

I get the whole gold is more expensive and silver could be easier to use in smaller denominations....but they are forgetting the big picture that CASH, as in greebacks, will trump silver coins any day. People will still value paper money for quite some time, as everyone would expect things to return to "normal" at some point in the relatively near future, and would accept that as currency as the value is known. You show up to buy $20 worth of stuff and offer to pay in silver or dollar bills, I'm taking dollar bills all day long. I'd bet 99% of the population would agree, and only the fringe would even consider silver.

As I said before, most won't have the knowledge or ability to know what the value of precious metals are, and if you have internet to look it up, then you have apple pay, google pay, paypal, etc. You don't need cash.

Everyone knows gold is valuable, and in certain scenarios may accept that in trade. The trade value is TBD, but it has the potential of being accepted. But I strongly feel that in a SHTF scenario, silver will be utterly and completely useless, and the spare change in your pocket will have more buying power.

As I said before, silver is the poor man's gold. Stackers buy it because they want to be in the game, but can't afford to in the game.
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You know what this means right?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/cram...-a-bottom.html

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What's the verdict between gold maples vs. eagles?
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How is silver easier to barter with exactly?
Looking as AU and AG when the economy was crap, and Venezuela as of last time I checked... We're great just after economic harder times, or market tanks. I would gladly take a Sterling chain, or 2oz.of AG for a 12-pack of TP, if I had plenty of stock...

https://markets.tradingeconomics.com...wcdDgr%2B0U%3D

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I get the whole gold is more expensive and silver could be easier to use in smaller denominations....but they are forgetting the big picture that CASH, as in greebacks, will trump silver coins any day. People will still value paper money for quite some time, as everyone would expect things to return to "normal" at some point in the relatively near future, and would accept that as currency as the value is known. You show up to buy $20 worth of stuff and offer to pay in silver or dollar bills, I'm taking dollar bills all day long. I'd bet 99% of the population would agree, and only the fringe would even consider silver.



AWESOME! Say, since I'm a trillionaire, how's about forking over a few trillion of your goods, seeing as how I have this AWESOME paper currency that EVERYBODY loves! Besides, you can ALWAYS use it as toilet paper... in a - ahem - pinch.


Thankfully, stocks are only going up, unlike all that worthless silver & gold...
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AWESOME! Say, since I'm a trillionaire, how's about forking over a few trillion of your goods, seeing as how I have this AWESOME paper currency that EVERYBODY loves! Besides, you can ALWAYS use it as toilet paper... in a - ahem - pinch.


Thankfully, stocks are only going up, unlike all that worthless silver & gold...
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Paper money is just that--paper.
I get the Coolguy's point though. There are a lot of ignorant folks out there who will take that paper for hard goods thinking it will retain its "value" but if we're were to go Weimar/Zimbabwe a silver bar may just pay off your house.
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You guys seem like the type who'd have this;
Is there a pre-made excel spreadsheet that I can record the price that I paid for it to be sure I'm selling at a profit? All I can find are some bulky inventory trackers which conveniently checks current spot prices, but little else. I don't much care to have 50 empty rows and canadian dollar conversion, etc.

Also, where could you reasonably sell the bars or rounds in the future?
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Yeah, cause thats what they are wanting when they show up

I get the whole gold is more expensive and silver could be easier to use in smaller denominations....but they are forgetting the big picture that CASH, as in greebacks, will trump silver coins any day. People will still value paper money for quite some time, as everyone would expect things to return to "normal" at some point in the relatively near future, and would accept that as currency as the value is known. You show up to buy $20 worth of stuff and offer to pay in silver or dollar bills, I'm taking dollar bills all day long. I'd bet 99% of the population would agree, and only the fringe would even consider silver.

As I said before, most won't have the knowledge or ability to know what the value of precious metals are, and if you have internet to look it up, then you have apple pay, google pay, paypal, etc. You don't need cash.

Everyone knows gold is valuable, and in certain scenarios may accept that in trade. The trade value is TBD, but it has the potential of being accepted. But I strongly feel that in a SHTF scenario, silver will be utterly and completely useless, and the spare change in your pocket will have more buying power.

As I said before, silver is the poor man's gold. Stackers buy it because they want to be in the game, but can't afford to in the game.
My philosophy is to assume everything will be good but to prepare for the worst. In preparation for the worst, I think some actual cash on hand, silver, gold, bullets, guns and food is a reasonable precaution. The amount that I keep is a small percentage of my overall net worth. I justify it to myself as a hobby. The coins are pretty to look at. I also find that people that "can't afford the game" are some of the best quality humans to deal with.
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Do you guys take silver out of the APMEX plastic bags? I've got silver eagles from 1991 that don't have much tarnish on them, wondering if I can take them out to enjoy them
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It is not a collector coin and by the time it is in 75 years. we will all be dead.

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It is not a collector coin and by the time it is in 75 years. we will all be dead.

Enjoy it now.
Good point. Thanks. Silver cleaner doesn't de-value it in any way, correct? Not just coins but bars as well I mean.
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Play with em. Don’t clean em. Have fun.

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Good point. Thanks. Silver cleaner doesn't de-value it in any way, correct? Not just coins but bars as well I mean.
Don't clean constitutional silver (junk silver), Morgans/Peace dollars. Cleaning won't hurt the silver value, but it will hurt any numismatic value the coin may have had.
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$15.18 Silver. How low will you go?
$14.95 at 10 AM. Pacific time.
Time to place an order? How much is the question?
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$15.18 Silver. How low will you go?
$14.95 at 10 AM. Pacific time.
Time to place an order? How much is the question?
I usually buy in lots of 20 and it all depends on how much over spot I have to pay

I wont buy locally because coin shops and pawn shops tack 15% over prime and another 7.5-8% sales tax so thats another buck on top of the premium.
I use Provident, APMEX or Silvertown depending on what I'm in the market for and some times at the local swap meet (no tax).
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I went and ordered 30 Liberty's, from Numismatic Values in Redding. I had gotten 20 Liberties , 3 weeks ago from JM Bullion.
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Are you guys having decent ease of transaction selling say, a 100oz bar? Where would you go to sell one? I assume a pawnshop would give 10% under spot price, an individual would give spot price but 100oz bar is a bit of cash, and selling to apmex would be unnerving sending that much in at once.
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I'll be a buyer again in the $14.XX range. Below $14.00 I would probably buy another monster box of Eagles, depending on premium.
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Oh, to live in lala land.
It'd be nice to be there again...
So...silver under $15 today at one point with continuing trend downward. Not exactly "lala land". So, I may buy a few things soon, but if it goes under $14, another monster box of eagles may be in the cards. Gold also went under $1,200.
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