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Old 05-21-2017, 3:31 PM
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I've a liberty safe with NON Electric mechinal dial , no problems there I turn the dial etc and the combo unlocks and then I turn the handle it's a 3ronged handle and it turns about half of it normal travels then the handle slips sometihing is binding up , the safe almost opens but liberty has the awesome slip clutch and the handle hits a rough spot you can feel it and the it slip and just tunes without opening and guess what the smallest amount of resistance in this motherf-er slips so now I can't open my safe


Going to call them Monday but I just wanted to see if anyone has any tips , I've had this safe for about two years and no problems until now

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Verify that the handle has been completely rotated in the open position before opening the door. Check the Allen set screw located on the front (center of handle under sticker) or side of the handle hub for tightness. Some safes are installed with a unique handle clutch mechanism. Improper personal storage or over tightening the door adjusting mechanism may cause the clutch to temporarily engage. Try pushing in on the door while pulling out and turning the handle. You may have to repeat this step several times until door is open.
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If the handle spins then the clutch has been tripped. There's a bar that is designed to break when excessive force is used. Somebody tried to force it open. It's going to have to be drilled.
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If something inside fell against the door, try opening it again and push the door in and try turning the handle.
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If something inside fell against the door, try opening it again and push the door in and try turning the handle.
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My buddy bought a safe, not a Liberty and within a month had that problem. I told him it was his young kids hanging on the handle. He did get the company to replace the door IW after a long fight about it. They insisted someone forced the handle. Definitely keep kids away, that handle is just begging them to hang on it.
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If you sent the paperwork in when you bought it I think liberty will open it for free

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If something inside fell against the door, try opening it again and push the door in and try turning the handle.
If something inside fell against the door it would just rest against the door carpet.
The mechanism is sealed in the door.
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If something inside fell against the door it would just rest against the door carpet.
The mechanism is sealed in the door.
They are suggesting that something is leaning against the door, putting enough pressure on the lugs to prevent the handle from overcoming the resistance without slipping the clutch.
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Fine then put your shoulder against the door and see if it is wedged or not. My safe door rattles a bit.
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If something inside fell against the door it would just rest against the door carpet.
The mechanism is sealed in the door.
Alot of people store ammo in the safe. If it fell, yes it would rest on the door lining. But it will put pressure on the door itself and in turn put pressure on the pins that keep the door closed. Some safes may have 8 or 10 pins to secure the door. Better safes have those locking pins all around the door. Not just on the open side of the door.
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It weird it almost opens the the dial clicks in and I turn the handle it moves about 3/4 through its normal,travel then th ehandle slips , so yes the clutch has slipped but I thought it reset but I guess I'm wrong door rattles it got lugs top bottom left and right side
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It weird it almost opens the the dial clicks in and I turn the handle it moves about 3/4 through its normal,travel then th ehandle slips , so yes the clutch has slipped but I thought it reset but I guess I'm wrong door rattles it got lugs top bottom left and right side
If your door rattles, it is not binding the lugs.
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If the handle spins then the clutch has been tripped. There's a bar that is designed to break when excessive force is used. Somebody tried to force it open. It's going to have to be drilled.
What's odd is this happen once before and it opened I'm the only one that uses it and I don't have kid maybe some got inside my house but my alarm never went off and nothing is missing yep just check the wife is still here
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What's odd is this happen once before and it opened I'm the only one that uses it and I don't have kid maybe some got inside my house but my alarm never went off and nothing is missing yep just check the wife is still here
Maybe you have a different clutch mechanism than I'm familiar with. Have you called Liberty?
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Going to call them Monday but I just wanted to see if anyone has any tips , I've had this safe for about two years and no problems until now
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Maybe you have a different clutch mechanism than I'm familiar with. Have you called Liberty?
Of course not lol I will tomorrow
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Alot of people store ammo in the safe. If it fell, yes it would rest on the door lining. But it will put pressure on the door itself and in turn put pressure on the pins that keep the door closed. Some safes may have 8 or 10 pins to secure the door. Better safes have those locking pins all around the door. Not just on the open side of the door.
Ok Ammo cans wedged against the door.
I could buy into that.

My Liberty and AMSEC both have 14 pins and you can still push the door in a bit.
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Ok Ammo cans wedged against the door.
I could buy into that.

My Liberty and AMSEC both have 14 pins and you can still push the door in a bit.
There is no mom in her just a **** load of guns and I guy on the right side my Barrett could of move but still it's so,close to opening and just as should unlock the handle slips
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There is no mom in her just a **** load of guns and I guy on the right side my Barrett could of move but still it's so,close to opening and just as should unlock the handle slips
Right before.rhe handle slips, start pounding on the door and say " let me in "
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Push in on the door while turning handle
Pushing alone, may not help.
Here is a way to determine if something fell against the door and is applying back pressure to the door, causing a bind in the bolts, therefore causing the clutch to engage.

Buy or borrow a pipe clamp set along with a 2, 3 or 4 foot piece of pipe (dependant on the depth of the safe), threaded on at least one end.
This is the type http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pony-Adju...-2PK/100132368



Put the clamp in the center left of the door (9 o'clock) and apply enough inward pressure to take any strain off the bolts. See it you can then fully retract the bolts without the clutch engaging. if so, take the clamp off and your in.

If this doesn't work, there are two other possible causes. Was there a towel or rag/cloth in there? fabric could have been caught at the edge when the bolts were thrown, and a bolt may have carried part of fabric in the bolt hole when you locked it last. Did you feel unusual resistance the last time you locked it? Use a heavy rubber mallet to pound around the perimeter of the door as you put pressure constant pressure on the handle. Not enough for the clutch to engage, but enough to slowly retract the bolts while pounding / working your way around the door.

Lastly, (worst case scenario) part of the internal mechanism came loose and one of the re-lockers fired..... either on the lock itself, or the bolt assembly. In other words, the safe thinks someone is trying to break into it. Re-lockers are designed to thwart a forced entry attack. Try the above fixes first. Failing that, PM me. I'll come back and post your options if you think the re-lockers are your problem
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It weird it almost opens the the dial clicks in and I turn the handle it moves about 3/4 through its normal,travel then th ehandle slips , so yes the clutch has slipped but I thought it reset but I guess I'm wrong door rattles it got lugs top bottom left and right side
Sorry, I missed this part. These symptoms are generally indicative of a re-locker being activated. It still could be one of the other problems though, so rule them out first. See what Liberty has to say and get back to us.

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Liberty is send there local lock smith out fingers crosse and thanks for all the e help
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Liberty is send there local lock smith out fingers crosse and thanks for all the e help
Liberty guy will get it open one way or another...
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Liberty guy will get it open one way or another...
OP can open it in a few minutes with a pry bar and an angle grinder.
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OP can open it in a few minutes with a pry bar and an angle grinder.
That's how I got my ammo safe
The locksmith cut and drilled the living crap out of a mid grade safe to get it open after 3 hours...


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Maybe it is the spell check!
Maybeso me peop le getflusterd anddon't proofreadthe ir post s.

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