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Old 11-05-2017, 12:57 PM
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Ok so I'm finally ready to get into the world of long distance shooting.

Bought a 700 in .260 Remington.

I know absolutely Nothing about scopes and features.

About the only thing I know is I want MOA and not MIL.

By budget is ~ $1200

From the reading I've been doing and casually talking to one person, I was looking at this.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...eticle/reticle

Are there any hard resources I can read other than just internet opinion to get a better understanding of scopes?

Any recommendations on scopes would be appreciated as well.

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Im about two weeks ahead of you in making this jump, bit i picked .308.

Everyone has an opinion about optics.

Take a look at this:

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/0...sults-summary/

Right in your budget, although some tested broke $4k.

I picked the Bushnell Tactical Elite for my purposes, it held its own in that testing, and was the best bang for the buck scope in that test.

Im waiting on mine to arrive from Opticsplanet, its right in your price range.
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When you shop for a scope they all look fantastic when you look through them at short distances like inside a store.
If you can ask them if you can take the scope outside and rest in on the hood of your truck or the roof of a car and look at objects 400-800 yards out.
Scopes are the only part of rifle shooting I don't have a recommendation on because it's a very individual choice.
My father and I shot together for over 40 years and we never liked the same scope.
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Thanks for that suggestion, Lynn.

Hopefully I can find a store that will let me do that. I will try to visit the local long range match and see if any shooter will let me see through their optic. Hopefully some will be in my price range.

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Your asking on Calguns so all your going to hear is Vortex.
I'm also asking for reading material to better understand the 5 W's

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Thanks for that suggestion, Lynn.

Hopefully I can find a store that will let me do that. I will try to visit the local long range match and see if any shooter will let me see through their optic. Hopefully some will be in my price range.

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I was in ammo bros the other day, and they had decent selection that they let me finger. I didn't ask it I could go outside though.

I'll let you check mine out when it gets here, it's right in your range.
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I was in ammo bros the other day, and they had decent selection that they let me finger. I didn't ask it I could go outside though.

I'll let you check mine out when it gets here, it's right in your range.
So does this mean we will be shotgun shooting AND long range shooting buddies

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So does this mean we will be shotgun shooting AND long range shooting buddies

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Looks like it. Gun time is taking away from my lounging time.

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No mention of rifle use?? so with no mention of use get a Leupold VX1 3-9x40mm standard duplex reticle.

So what's the intended use?? and the intended range. And yes this may be calgun and yes there are a lot of mall ninja's that will recommend something they've actually never used. I will say Leupold, and your answer to the first question will allow me to recommend a specific model
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No mention of rifle use?? so with no mention of use get a Leupold VX1 3-9x40mm standard duplex reticle.

So what's the intended use?? and the intended range. And yes this may be calgun and yes there are a lot of mall ninja's that will recommend something they've actually never used. I will say Leupold, and your answer to the first question will allow me to recommend a specific model
This is solely for target shooting/paper punching.

I would like to reach out to 1000 yards.

Eventually I would like to try a PRS style match.

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Ok so I'm finally ready to get into the world of long distance shooting.

Bought a 700 in .260 Remington.

I know absolutely Nothing about scopes and features.

About the only thing I know is I want MOA and not MIL.

By budget is ~ $1200

From the reading I've been doing and casually talking to one person, I was looking at this.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/...eticle/reticle

Are there any hard resources I can read other than just internet opinion to get a better understanding of scopes?

Any recommendations on scopes would be appreciated as well.

Thanks

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I have the Gen I PST and the Gen II Razor if you ever want to come towards Tustin to look through them to see the difference.
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This is solely for target shooting/paper punching.

I would like to reach out to 1000 yards.

Eventually I would like to try a PRS style match.
In your price range, Vortex Razor Gen1. If you up your price their are different options. EBR-2B Reticle (MOA) reticle is VERY usable for PRS and target shooting.

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This is solely for target shooting/paper punching.

I would like to reach out to 1000 yards.

Eventually I would like to try a PRS style match.

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Alright then. Now I have something to work with.

Minimum 25X
Something with 75 moa of adjustment or better, and thats not hard to do these days.
and I would prefer a ranging reticle but I shoot mil

I'm not a fan of Zero stops but if your scope doesn't have a way to track revs then you need zero stops.
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I have a Leupold gold ring vx-2 4-12x40mm with ao like new mounted and only couple boxes run through rifle $350. Leupold scopes have a lifetime warranty
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Here's what you want in a good scope for long range work.

1. Clear Glass. Glass is subjective of course, and your eyes may like something over another. But in the $1200 range your getting pretty decent glass.
2. Good tracking, audible, and positive clicking turrets. Make sure you can feel them snap into place with no backlash. See if you can count the clicks without looking at the numbers. Tracking you'll just have to research on the model your buying to see what the reviews are. Once you buy a scope you can test it to see how it tracks. If its unacceptable then you call that manufacturer.

Scopes in your price range that I'd look at are the Burris XTR-II, Vortex Viper Gen II, Vortex Razor Gen I, and the Bushnell Tactical Elite.
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Best gun shop I have seen for testing out scopes is Second Amendment Sports, 38698 El Viento Rd B, Palm Desert, CA 92211. They have a great selection of all the major brands and they have a mockup rifle you can add the scope to and go outside to look at distance. It's far for you to go there, but worth the trip to view all the brands.

I have converted to Vortex from Leupold. Just were better deals, and better warranty for me.
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This was a good read and helpful.

https://www.snipershide.com/scope-buying-advice/

I'm still not able to quickly do mils in my head so I'm still sticking with MOA.

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This was a good read and helpful.

https://www.snipershide.com/scope-buying-advice/

I'm still not able to quickly do mils in my head so I'm still sticking with MOA.

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Why can’t you get Mils? It’s the most simple system out there. Just not the most fine if resolution,

Here’s what I tell people.

A mil is 1/1000 of the distance you are shooting.
Doesn’t matter if that distance is feet, yards, meters, or cubits. A mil is 1/1000 of what ever distance you are in.
A 1/10 mil click is 1/10,000 of the distance.

Being a base ten system it’s simple.

800 meter range? 1 mil = .8 meters, one click on the scope turret = .08 meters or 8cm.
It only gets confusing when working yards to inches.
800 yards 1 mil = .8 yards 1 click =.08 yards not a fast conversion to inches.

But that’s it. Nothing to it.

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Why can’t you get Mils? It’s the most simple system out there. Just not the most fine if resolution,

Here’s what I tell people.

A mil is 1/1000 of the distance you are shooting.
Doesn’t matter if that distance is feet, yards, meters, or cubits. A mil is 1/1000 of what ever distance you are in.
A 1/10 mil click is 1/10,000 of the distance.

Being a base ten system it’s simple.

800 meter range? 1 mil = .8 meters, one click on the scope turret = .08 meters or 8cm.
It only gets confusing when working yards to inches.
800 yards 1 mil = .8 yards 1 click =.08 yards not a fast conversion to inches.

But that’s it. Nothing to it.
Because it takes more time for me to figure it out than moa.

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You wrote that you want to do PRS so I'd recommend MILS over MOA. You can accomplish the same thing with both as they are just different ways to measure the same thing, but the majority of your fellow PRS guys are using MILS so there's some advantage to being on the same system, especially if you ever shoot a match that allows for shooter/spotter teams.

Initially MOA seems easier because you are used to the Imperial system, but you can get comfortable with MILS in just a few practice sessions.

I have multiple Lupys, Nighforce and Leupold, you can't go wrong with any of the higher end offerings. That said, the Vortex Razor HD AMG is my next precision rifle optic - it's an amazing scope for PRS. The Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44mm is also a favorite and my preference for long-range hunting. Bushnell's are more likely to have tracking issues, in my experience.

This is a great time for a scope buyer, many excellent choices. That said, Vortex absolutely has the best warranty of any of the scope manufacturers and the AMG is made in the U.S. with the exception of the glass, which I believe is made in Japan, and the Japanese make good glass (all of the scope brands use imported glass, German and Japanese being the best).
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You wrote that you want to do PRS so I'd recommend MILS over MOA. You can accomplish the same thing with both as they are just different ways to measure the same thing, but the majority of your fellow PRS guys are using MILS so there's some advantage to being on the same system, especially if you ever shoot a match that allows for shooter/spotter teams.

Initially MOA seems easier because you are used to the Imperial system, but you can get comfortable with MILS in just a few practice sessions.

I have multiple Lupys, Nighforce and Leupold, you can't go wrong with any of the higher end offerings. That said, the Vortex Razor HD AMG is my next precision rifle optic - it's an amazing scope for PRS. The Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44mm is also a favorite and my preference for long-range hunting. Bushnell's are more likely to have tracking issues, in my experience.

This is a great time for a scope buyer, many excellent choices. That said, Vortex absolutely has the best warranty of any of the scope manufacturers and the AMG is made in the U.S. with the exception of the glass, which I believe is made in Japan, and the Japanese make good glass.
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Because it takes more time for me to figure it out than moa.

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More time how? It’s a simple fraction of distance. The system is far easier than moa yards and inches. All I need to know is meters and fractions there of. All base ten system not a base 36, 12, or 3600, system just a base 10 system.
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Stop talking about MOA being imperial and MIL being metric. Y'all make it seem way harder than it is. Take inches and centimeters out of it and think in just MIL or MOA. MOA and MIL works just fine for shooting in yards or meters. 98% of us do not us our reticle to range targets. So all your using your reticle for is calling misses, corrections, and hold offs.

When you miss or spot a miss for someone, your using your reticle to measure said miss. Distance doesn't matter. You either dial that correction or hold it. It's that simple.

The one big difference between the two is MOA is a finer amount of adjustment. So in bullseye shooting where you need an X vs a 10 every little adjustment helps. In PRS style shooting a hit is a hit. So one or two inches off center still score the same. But when you need to dial from one target to the next, you can move the reticle faster with fewer clicks.
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Stop talking about MOA being imperial and MIL being metric. Y'all make it seem way harder than it is. Take inches and centimeters out of it and think in just MIL or MOA. MOA and MIL works just fine for shooting in yards or meters. 98% of us do not us our reticle to range targets. So all your using your reticle for is calling misses, corrections, and hold offs.

When you miss or spot a miss for someone, your using your reticle to measure said miss. Distance doesn't matter. You either dial that correction or hold it. It's that simple.

The one big difference between the two is MOA is a finer amount of adjustment. So in bullseye shooting where you need an X vs a 10 every little adjustment helps. In PRS style shooting a hit is a hit. So one or two inches off center still score the same. But when you need to dial from one target to the next, you can move the reticle faster with fewer clicks.
This is helpful. Thank you.

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Stop talking about MOA being imperial and MIL being metric. Y'all make it seem way harder than it is. Take inches and centimeters out of it and think in just MIL or MOA. MOA and MIL works just fine for shooting in yards or meters. 98% of us do not us our reticle to range targets. So all your using your reticle for is calling misses, corrections, and hold offs.

When you miss or spot a miss for someone, your using your reticle to measure said miss. Distance doesn't matter. You either dial that correction or hold it. It's that simple.

The one big difference between the two is MOA is a finer amount of adjustment. So in bullseye shooting where you need an X vs a 10 every little adjustment helps. In PRS style shooting a hit is a hit. So one or two inches off center still score the same. But when you need to dial from one target to the next, you can move the reticle faster with fewer clicks.
I never said Moa was Imperial and Mil was metric.

The Issue i have is that MOA and the 1/4 or 1/8 there of on the scope is not a base 10. Mil is. and Since Mil is a base 10 there is zero conversion for a measured correction as in Measured on target. not with the reticle. case and point, zeroing.

Say you are on a 100 yard or meter range. You shoot a group and it's high above POA. well if you're working in MOA and want to know the exact number of clicks to correct, there is a good amount of math involved. I'll even use meters so we are all on the same system. Group is say 3.5" high or 89mm to show we are not favoring either system. Well there is 1.145" per moa per 100 meters.
So to correct the POI it would be 3.5"/1.145 = 3.056 moa X the fraction of moa your scope is working in. =12 clicks for a 1/4 moa scope

Or in mill it's 89mm so you move the decimal to the left one notch an end up with 8.9 clicks for a 1/10 mil scope just round it off to 9 clicks.

Do you see how little math is involved? the reason I advise someone to use meters is the system is also base 10, conversions are simple you only need a Millimeter rule or tape. and the tape spits out corrections in clicks if you use the CM scale. yes correcting by measuring your splash and reading the reticle is simple and no math involved but it's not very precise. and if someone is building a dope book, how precise the drops are is critical to not accumulating error at range.

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You could shoot a group at 100 yards and the you need to correct 104mm left and 237mm up well thats 10.4 clicks and 23.7 clicks just round it off. No converting Yards to inches and then to Moa and then to clicks
The problem with MOA is it became a system associated with the inch at 100 yards and people became fixated on that. if scope manufactures made a 1/10 MOA is would be a little easier but a MOA is still 1/2909 where mil is 1/1000 and your clicks are 1/10,000.

What you need to remember is that Mil is 1/1000 of the distance you are shooting, could be any increment Feet, yards, meters, Furlongs, cubits, makes no difference, it's just that yrads and inches are not base 10 and require some math to convert. where Meters just require a shift of the decimal
And if you guys will not take the time to learn the systems you use. you may as well stick an EoTech on there and fill the 65MOA circle full of meat and yank the trigger. Knowing your equipment requires work, Improving you skills requires work, getting and education requires work, Problem is most don't want to put forth the effort required. Well I can teach you but I can't learn it for you.
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I saw an article awhile ago on teh web that explained why you want a Christmas-tree type reticle for PRS.
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I saw an article awhile ago on teh web that explained why you want a Christmas-tree type reticle for PRS.
Or all the Time! I love them and once you know how to use them and need to do any kind of follow up shot you are golden. And they are good for spotting .

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Or all the Time! I love them and once you know how to use them and need to do any kind of follow up shot you are golden. And they are good for spotting .

I hardly ever dial now.

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Yeah, when I scope shopped, I used to look for ones that had good glass and tracking reviews first. Now I look for Christmas-tree reticles first, and then go from there.
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Yeah, when I scope shopped, I used to look for ones that had good glass and tracking reviews first. Now I look for Christmas-tree reticles first, and then go from there.
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If you haven't yet discovered TiborasaurusRex on YouTube, head over there. He is long winded but knowledgeable and opinionated.
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Rex’s videos are pretty good. Just dont buy a IOR scope after watching them. The info he put out is pretty good.


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If you haven't yet discovered TiborasaurusRex on YouTube, head over there. He is long winded but knowledgeable and opinionated.
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and he's an endorser of James Yager a person that threatened the lives of his clients.
No better way to drum up business than to say you'll kill someone
Strange because I have heard Cal gunners say sh*t like that every day lol.
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