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Old 07-01-2016, 8:15 PM
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I think the final stage was shot today. I just can't find any results for the finals.

Yesterday June 29 results had Mitchell Fitzpatrick on top. Brian Litz was in 6th. The final stage has targets at 2011, 2500, and 3377 yards.

Here is all the information I could find.

https://www.facebook.com/King-of-2-M...24585/?fref=nf

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Old 07-01-2016, 8:55 PM
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First to Fitzpatrick, Second to Litz, Fourth to Paul Phillips.

Litz and Phillips were shooting Litz's 338 Edge, so it might not be time to retire your 338.

Litz and Fitzpatrick also both came within 1 shot of elimination during the match.

It looks like the Cutting Edge guys did well too, there is more information on their FaceBook page.

The Applied Ballistics summary is on today's Accurate Shooter Bulletin. You can also check the Applied Ballistics and Berger's Facebook pages.

No hits at 3377 this year, but they're doing it cold. Stone cold, no practice, no sighters, just show time.
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Thanks Shaun,

Yeah, their performances are very humbling; when, you consider they start cold. I might be able to get a hit or two during the qualifier; because it starts @ 1454. But, I know I would get zero hits starting at 2011. It takes me 10+ rounds to get on at 2054 and I've been shooting that target once a month since February.

I heard that Bryan was going to run a 375 Cheytac this year. He wanted to test Berger's prototype solids. I guess there issues with those.

I just read the Accurate Shooter bulletin. It seems that all three team members were able to shoot the match. That means the wind coach could shoot first with Bryan's rifle while Bryan and Mitchell watched through the spotting scopes.
Then Bryan would be able to used the dope gathered by the wind coach. And finally Mitchell could take the dope from watching the first two team members and use it to dial in his 375 Cheytac. I don't know if that is how it went down. But, that would give the team an advantage. The only way to be competitive would be to have all three team members shoot and share data.

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I don't think the teams picked their own shooting order because I agree with your logic, but Bryan shot third on the first day and Mitch went 19th. Paul shot in the second relay the next day.

Mitch was using a wildcat based on the 585 Hubel. About 190 grains of water capacity compared to 165ish for the CheyTac. Also a belt for better pressure. A 378 Weatherby big brother, or a lengthened-belted CheyTac case is how they've been described.

Not sure why Bryan bailed on his Cheytac. Testing the solid at 2 different performance levels made sense to me. Even with my belief system, the results were surprising in how close a 338 Edge came to a hopped up 375.

Looks like the late signups hurt the match, they didn't fill the roster and Paul was able to sign up at the match.
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So, you mean my 338 Edge can hang with the Cheytac's of the world???

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Old 07-06-2016, 6:13 PM
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You can bet your left mut that the teams were all sharing there dopes within the team.
At our last match Jason took his gun out of the truck and was inside of the T post on his first shot with perfect elevation.
Bryan
Accuracy is still the most important thing even in long distance shooting. Bring your edge to one of our matches and you will do very well your first time.
The guys winning are the guys with the best load just like any competitive shooting.
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Ferret has posted the results from KO2M and the FCSA World shoots at https://www.facebook.com/16303282705...03493779678944

KO2M is in the lower left.
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Focus we need to put together a Team or even two Teams and give this a try.
We have about 8-9 months to sort this all out and I have last year's second place finisher to help us out.
My 338 Snipe-Tac fits in between the 338 Edge and the 375 Improved.
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Lynn, I don't know if 8 months is enough time to cure my 'cold shooter' problems! I want to consistently hit 3 out of my first 5 at 2057yards. And the 338LM is not enough to reach out past 3000+ yards. Maybe a 375VM would be enough?

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I don't think anybody got hits past 2500 yards this year.
They were cold hits but they also live there and shoot there all the time so there basic elevation change was a given.
Unless the rules have changed they get two Spotter shots as well which if you can see your splashes will get you very close.
They give each target an assigned value so 1400 yard hits times 5 is where the most points are earned.
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Nope, there were no spotters allowed. The course of fire can be found here:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...-miles-173037/

This is a challenging course of fire. Fourteen shots on four targets in 9 minutes! I think the 338 Snipetac barrel is gonna get very hot. The firing solutions will have to account for the incremental velocity gain as the temperatures rise during that string of fire. I would buy two barrels and burn one up capturing the delta T and delta V.

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Here are the official rules for 2016 - they may change some for 2017

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...12443098924585
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Ed here. Mitch is neighbor few miles away, here in Central Michigan.

He made a full length 375 wildcat using my 585HE long belted case.

Calls it the 375 Lethal, and just put it all together last 3 months.

400 gr .375"bullet still supersonic way out past 2600 yds I hear.

He did the greatest feat in a short time I've seen in building a gun and shooting accurately .

Case necked holds close to 200gr water.

AS a 585HE case I tested case with 650 gr 585 bullet.over 3000. ED

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Old 07-09-2016, 3:16 AM
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Nope, there were no spotters allowed. The course of fire can be found here:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...-miles-173037/

This is a challenging course of fire. Fourteen shots on four targets in 9 minutes! I think the 338 Snipetac barrel is gonna get very hot. The firing solutions will have to account for the incremental velocity gain as the temperatures rise during that string of fire. I would buy two barrels and burn one up capturing the delta T and delta V.

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My shooting buddy from Texas Tim Sellars came in second place last year with his 300 Win Mag and 220 Sierras.
He never adjusted his scope for the yardage changes he adjusted the tuner on his barrel.
I would have him post here but the silliness here would just infuriate him here.
14 shots in 9 minutes isn't really that much shooting as most 1000 yard heavyguns run 10 rounds in under 45 seconds with unlimited sighters so 14 rounds total isn't a barrel killer to me.
I don't like the front bipod no rear rest rule but rules are rules.
On the Delta T Delta V in 9 minutes for 14 shots I will leave that to WhiteMamba and his labradar.
How much Delta V are you getting at 2054 yards from 7 AM to when we quit shooting?
I did order a new barrel from Bruno yesterday and it is expected here Wednesday.
I like to shoot anything regardless of outcome and this sounds like a fun event if you have a good Spotter and like bipod shooting so a bipod looks like the next order of business
The best info in that link was the contact info for Hammer Bullets.
I say let's give it a try but only if we can get there early as practice isn't allowed prior to the match.
We would need to practice somewhere nearby.
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We have 4 gongs and can set up a practice session once deer season is over and we can time it as well.
I would think the majority of our hits will take place early on but am a little confused about one thing.
If you don't get a hit at each distance does that automatically disqualify you?
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Hi Lynn,

Yes, if you zero a target you are eliminated. From the course of fire description:

MISSING ONE TARGET WITH ALL ITS ALLOWED ROUNDS ( 5 RDS on TARGET 1 and 3 rounds on targets 2 , 3 and 4) will MEAN ELIMINATION.

Yes, I want to do the KO2M. I'm still trying to decide how to step up to a 505 Gibbs case. I think the simplest way is using the 375 Sniptac cartrige. I have narrowed my rifle down to two configurations.

1) Bat CT action, XLR chassis, Jewell trigger. Basically, a scaled up version of my PRS rifles.

2) DTA HTI.

The deal breaker for me is the availabilty of quality brass. I'm waiting for someone to test Peterson's offering.

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What is Peterson's making.


Check out the 375 Lethal and the 375 Warbird

made from our 585HE case. We got barrels of cases.

Check the 585 HE threads in the ammo forums on here.

Info is also on a 100 other forums.Ed

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Peterson is supposed to make 408 CheyTac brass as of June of 2016 but so far no joy.
We are also missing out on 375 barrels.
We like the first 5-7 inches at 1.450 and we like them 32-34 inches long so they can be set back atleast one time.
I am shooting a 338 SnipeTac which is the 408 CheyTac case necked down to 338 but it also has less taper per inch and a steeper shoulder angle.
The only two sources of brass are Bertram and Jamison and in my combination using 140 grains of H50BMG and a 300 grain Berger OTM I am getting 3350 fps but the primer pockets loosen up after two firings.
My load runs very good between 139-142 grains at 3300-3350 fps but without double head stamped brass I have to crimp/stake my own primer pockets.
The gun will shoot to 3450 fps so the load isn't on the ragged edge the brass just isn't up to Lapua standards.
The next hurdle is getting someone to make you reloading dies in under 6-8 months time.
I bought some dies recently and wish now that I waited on a better quality die.
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My 585HE case that Mitch used for 375 Lethal, is Bertram.

Seems like good stuff . Case heads hard, pockets centered perfect.

I tested it hot 585 loads for me, over 65,000 psi.. Bunch built. About 25,000, about

half here in US already.. Bertram has rest for later shipment and international guys.

My base ahead of the belt is same diameter as Cheytac/Gibbs cases.

Just that my case is longer. The 375 Warlord guy in Alaska has

necked it down to .338- .308- 7mm. He is still working on his 375

rifle build........Some wild ideas come to mind.. Small lathe tool can

cut belt recess very easy...Ed

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Man you guys are running some true wildcard calibers..
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AAR has been posted: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...12443098924585
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Impressive clarity on the Swarovski STR spotter at 3,375 yards.

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Guys are getting interested, I took Mitch over 2 big boxes of

585 cases as his and Dad's shop is making a a bunch

of gun and cartridge packages for some 2 Mile shooters. Ed.
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It includes some background and contact information. I like the drone video. It seems the terrain would produce some interesting wind patterns.

https://youtu.be/XESwgdkn1Yc

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Some info about target 375 wildcats made from 585 HE ,

both about same power,the guy in Alaska with the 375 Warlord, has

released it to public domain, he and I will have formed 375 Warlord cases, few weeks.

He has also released the reamer to the public,being made by JGS, so anyone wanting to do

a super ELR rifle, maybe get you a reamer ''now' on first reamer run at JGS,

so maybe you can get a gun done this winter, with reamer in hand.Ed
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What is the bullet weight and how fast is it flying?
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Lynn:

There are at least three threads on LRH that touch on this and a similar .375 cartridges based on the 585HE:

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...ridges-174178/

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...locked-177439/

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...-cases-122363/

BTW, the .375 Warlord, "...will not headspace on the belt but on the shoulder datum line at the .500" diameter 2.9020" up from bottom of case, the reamer is set up "beltless" and cases..."
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Hi Lynn,

Here is Lethal Precision's web page describing their Lethal Magnum round.

http://www.lethalprecisionarms.com/indefinita.html

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And with right powders that our research will find, they will get,

400 to 3300, both Warlord and Lethal.. I'm doing test gun just for

finding loads to get top speed, ED
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The website is vague on details but 190+ grains of water says it all.
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I found your primer story very interesting as well.
Any idea on availability?
Also our SnipeTac cases don't have the capacity your case has and that is why we are losing primer pockets.
In the old days I was shooting a Mach V which would push a 350 grain bullet at 4200 fps but would eat a barrel alive in 700 rounds.
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About 6,53 primers, Ginex in Bosnia emailed back that they don't

have red tape with state dept,, DOT, ATF, exporter, etc paperwork setup

for that particular primer; AND would need huge order to afford paper

work, import work. But for now they are strapped with helping to

resupply NATO, be months down the road anyway.So we wait.

And I'll be shivered, just started snowing here.Ed

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Reamer be hear few days to do test gun, to find best powders

and what speed we can get. I saved time, by getting one

of my 585 reamers redone fast.Ed
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375 HE

Testing cases, got a few made, THese are our own case called
the 375HE, the other folks didn't have time to make theirs
in big numbers, so we made some improvements and
are going different route, a case with different specs, and
call it 375 HE. Little more capacity.

IT is in public domain, measurements, pictures and
reamer print on here in few days. Some changes made that help
get more speed with less pressures, reamer info will be at reamer
makers in few days, we'll have cases for all
doing ELR/2 mile/long range hunting guns.Ed

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Testing cases, got a few made, THese are our own case called
the 375HE, the other folks didn't have time to make theirs
in big numbers, so we made some improvements and
are going different route, a case with different specs, and
call it 375 HE. Little more capacity.

IT is in public domain, measurements, pictures and
reamer print on here in few days. Some changes made that help
get more speed with less pressures, reamer info will be at reamer
makers in few days, we'll have cases for all
doing ELR/2 mile/long range hunting guns.Ed


I'm very interested in see how your 375HE turns out. I'd like to do either that or the 375 Lethal Magnum for my next build.
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Well we got about 1000 375 HE cases done with 3 groups doing them

part time, in few weeks have that many more, testing we

can get 200gr heavy ball powder under lighter 300gr loaded out long . Ed

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How we size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no monster dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then
pass on to the next guy, those reamers can make a pile of dies.

I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases.

When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered,
held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck, IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press,

Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread,
reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up, Start
bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated
perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating
bushing, that can be made from many items.

These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

OVER 900 375HE cases behind presses getting done. About 600 on another bench
nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more.

All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide..Ed


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Mr. hubel
Those of us not familiar with your progress could use a link to the public domain info. My self in particular would like to know OAL of the case and cartridge along with tested velocities with the popular bullets.

I'm pretty good with google but i seem to be failing to find good info.
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We are just getting started, tested 300 gr flat base so far, with
200gr ball,will test for speed in increasing weights , up to 400 gr;
Got the 300 gr way over 3800 with longer freebore than what guys
are doing with CEBs, Allows more powder. less pressure problems,
Here is pic of extra old barrel we use checking a dozen freebore fits,
using throater to ream freebore in stages, The bullet being checked in barrel
is 400 gr, and case behind on desk has same and its overall length is 4.05",
and we can get 185gr ball powder under it in the case.



Here are case measurements.




Those 600 cases behind being necked to 375 HE, just need deburring
and 2 passes and they are done.....................Ed

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The overall length with 400 gr in above pic , is 4,05",

here is simple reamer print. Ed




On the print the length from belt to shoulder is revised to 2.570"



Now Manson. etc will make different freebore than on the print

whatever you want, also will make die reamer.

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Old 01-07-2017, 7:53 AM
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About reamers, Mansons has prints, so do PTG and JGS.Ed

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