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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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I never intended to start a war or participate in childish name calling, I was merely throwing out a question asking for opinions. Where I live I don't have to worry about most of the horrible scenarios, so wearing body armor would probably not be beneficial for me to wear it every single day. I do know that we carry for the possible "live or die" scenario and I figured that it's highly likely my firearm will remain in it's holster but I still carry anyways. I would just like to come prepared to live, whatever that may mean. Thank you for the interest and again, I didn't come here to get flamed, so I would appreciate them to be left out.
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They skip right over the discussion part and commence to getting their argument on, oftentimes dispensing unneeded advice along the way. Lots of people taking lots of stuff personal, and not very many know how to use the words "You're right" let alone something inherently alien like "I was wrong". Getting into arguments with said types is not on my to do list. Let 'em believe what they want to believe. Good thread, by the way. |
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Also let me point out another consideration...
There are many places/states that you can't carry, but most places allow concealable body armor. And for those who can't get a CCW, body armor might there best choice as a passive defense. |
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Again... you will probably need it should you take a rifle strike to one of your plates. Fragmentation from the spalling may open up your neck, fly up into your chin/face or worse. |
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With a steel armor, you "might" get spall in the face when shot by high velocity rifles, depends on the angle and distance of the weapon, also the coating and design on the armor. but without that armor, you certainly had two holes on your chest and back, no? Military uses ceramic plates also because it is lighter. Ceramic plates are generally only 70% the weight compared to metal plates of same protection level. Agree that steel armor has it's limit, but just brought it out as one of the options. I also have traditional Kevlar soft armor, but they are generally warmer than plate carrier during the summer. Last edited by Lugiahua; 12-28-2013 at 8:32 PM.. |
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NO soft armor made will stop high powered rifle rounds. Period. Most All the people trying to save $$ on rifle protection buying AR500 plates will end up as walking wounded at best. If you take a rifle hit to your plate, there is a HIGH probability you are going to take a second hit as well. All the while the idiots selling you guys all this armor plate are laughing all the way to the bank. How much do you think that plate actually costs to make? Last edited by Ronin2; 12-28-2013 at 8:57 PM.. |
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Ok then, spall is bad, but what's the possibility of us actually facing opponents with rifles? Why should I upgrade to expensive ceramic or polyethylene if I am unlikely ever shot by a rifle?
It's like saying I should carry IV set and expensive Hextend around because there might be (despite a very low chance) people near me in hypovolemic shock? If wearing a steel armor against a rifle is such a bad idea (which I agree to a degree), what do you say to most people, LEO and civilian alike, with only soft armor or no armor at all? It would get them killed too? I have a steel armor because I believe the chance of being shot by rifle is very low through statistic, while this armor also offers reasonable protection against blade, blunt weapons and fists, which are more likely to be encountered than rifles. If I really have to worry about people shooting me with ARs or AKs, it's probably better just move. Last edited by Lugiahua; 12-28-2013 at 9:39 PM.. |
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People should wear it inside their houses, in parts of Oakland and Fresno.
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If you do want cheap concealable armor, go to: bulletproofme.com, they sell police surplus fairly cheap. Police surplus starts at $150.00 - $160.00
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We went to a funeral of one of our church member's siblings. I was sure wishing I had body armor on when I saw the gang members that showed up. When they started yelling at each other that if someone did not shut up, someone else would get buried. My wife and I moved behind a granite monument in case the lead started flying. Turned out to be a beautiful ceremony but it did not start that way.
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wearing body armor everyday is NOT practical. if it was practical people would walk around in armor in stead of carrying a gun. |
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Another option for EDC (or only option, as I agree that wearing a vest full time is crazy) is an armored backpack. We make custom size panel for a lot of the 5.11 bags;
http://www.atozarmory.com/511/ If you carry a backpack all the time anyway, it's a nice option. Before anyone asks, yes we are a paid vendor, but if this still breaks any rules sorry an we will delete the post.
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This is a interesting topic...
Here's my two cents. I work in the power utilities field and frequently visit out of the way places to preform inspections and repairs, etc. I have had more than one close call with startled hunters and land owners. I typically work alone and more often than not I end up having to walk to location as I simply can't drive a truck to where I need to be. (Power lines, switches, transformers,fuses, etc) I do not wear armor but I do carry a level 3A soft panel in my backpack. I am not allowed to carry while on the clock but I always have my backpack. Tools and a laptop are a must and a one pound panel may be useless but I get a little piece of mind knowing that I have even just a little protection should the need arise. Am I paranoid? No. I'm not fearful that I will be randomly attacked but I do understand that startled people sometimes do irrational things... Especially if their lights just went out and there's someone they don't know walking across their field or crouching over next to the humming box on the corner. I try to be pretty open about what I'm doing and noisy but some of these places you'd swear there wasn't a soul for miles and there's somebody looking right at you. If you regularly spook people during the course of you business... Wear it if you want. It ain't gonna hurt your chances. Last edited by Samtech79; 01-19-2014 at 9:25 PM.. Reason: Spelling |
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Many parts of this thread are hilarious.
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Do people need it all the time? No. Do you want to wear it more than just the range and self defense at home? Go ahead. As said before, for most of us, full time armor is not only uncomfortable but would make spouses and coworkers reach for your tin foil hat to take it off.
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If it's a low chance, why bother with plates. Flawed logic. Enjoy the spall
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