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CDC: Covid fatality rate only 0.26%
CDC comes out and says what every man, woman and child already knew: Covid is much like the Flu when it comes to actual impact on society
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Feel free to venture outside folks, take that mask off. |
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Not sure why anyone is worried about other folks wearing masks
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In Free America no one wears a mask, restaurants are open, bars are open. |
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But why are you upset with people trying to keep their germs off you?
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i actually agree with this
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Libs can wear masks all day long for all I care. Then at least I'll know who to avoid (not because of any virus, but so I don't get my car keyed.) |
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This is a really good article related to this.
https://gellerreport.com/2020/05/who...r-rights.html/ Here is a quote from it: The coronavirus tyranny has nothing to do with science, medicine, or health, and everything to do with establishing that ultimate inversion: the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.
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What about those who use the mask opportunity to avoid facial recognition cameras
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yeah shes objective
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Why is it that only conservatives need to be objective? It is an opinion piece, based on facts, written by a man named Robert Gore.
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With a beard?
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Probably similar reasoning as anti-gun people. Quote:
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Probably because he has no control over what other people do. Some people get upset at this concept and try to control others' behavior - similar to Karens. As gun owners some of us may have encountered the same line of questioning or ridicule, except it's guns instead of masks. "You don't need a gun" "Why do you need/want a gun?" "Why do you carry a gun?" "Only chickensh*ts have guns" etc. Quote:
Some people can adapt quickly, like a friend of mine whose business is shut down as a result of the SAH order, it took him less than a week to pivot and figure out how to make up all the lost income and now pulls in almost twice what he was making before. Same with another friend who got laid off and has now made more in the stock market than he made all of last year. Other people can't adapt or adapt very slowly. Some don't have the mental capacity to think differently when the situation changes - they're stuck (mentally). +1
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it killed 61k in a season not that long ago, which is more that the factual number of covid-19 deaths, which is probably closer to 20k.
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0.26% is still 160% more deaths than the flu. 1 thing most don't even think about is since it is a Novel virus no one knew how it would behave. There won't be any true definitive answers for a yr or 2 when all the info has be gone over. And the debate of what is and isn't a COVID death will still go on. Someone in a nursing home with end stage cancer got the COVID and dies isn't a COVID death in my book. But someone expected to live for a yr or more but gets the COVID and dies, is that a COVID death? Kinda a toss up to me.
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I'm not sure why anyone would be listening to the CDC at this point. They're in full cover their "heinie" mode because they screwed the pooch on their initial responses to the COVID-19. The CDC keeps changing things from day to day.
The CDC's number is based on assumptions, computer models. We have no idea how accurate they are. A recent French study shows that almost all people develop antibodies even after a very mild infection. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-to-antibodies) Going by that, Spain's study that even after their massive death rate(27,118) only 5% of their population shows antibodies. That means only about 5% of their population has contracted it in some form or another. Using the 5% figure as a reasonable figure of cases, and their population of c. 47 million, one finds a mortality rate of 1.15%. (27118/.05x47000000). Sweden on the other hand, due to their not locking down, no wearing of masks, has a much higher rate. Their study showed about 7.3% of the population has antibodies. So again, assuming that would reasonably show the numbers of people who had contracted it, their mortality rate is about 5.7%. (4266/.073x10230000). Since the date rate in the US is nowhere near those numbers, there is a good possibility that our lock down, and other things has kept things in check at least a little. |
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When was the last time governors forced nursing homes to take in people with a disease that commonly kills older people with at least one other comorbidity? That accounts for likely half of the reported 100K.
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From what I have seen a mask does not stop the spread of germs and may actually increase it. Next time you are in the store watch how often mask wearers adjust the mask, stick their fingers under it, and also have the mask on incorrectly. They then fondle whatever the stores products are so they have transferred the germs to the products on the shelf. They also then use keypads at checkout further spreading germs.
On the other hand, people who don't wear masks don't expose their fingers/hands to the germs because they are not going to their faces to adjust an uncomfortable mask. Maybe the stores you guys are frequenting are different, but I avoid ones that require masks. If people want to wear masks, fine, just make sure you are doing it in a manner that doesn't make the situation worse. That includes putting them and taking them off correctly. |
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Its absolutely amazing to me that this has not become a major issue. Heads should roll for the mishandling of the nursing home situation.
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Who are the governors of NY, NJ, PA, MI and CA again?
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Maybe about 30% but then you knew that
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Sure, but we can't open too fast!
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Another fact: when Flu gets into a nursing home, it behaves much like covid. https://blog.levinperconti.com/nursing-home-flu-season/ Quote:
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Some states, like MI, don't report that stat and NY is under-reporting. In NY if one catches it in a nursing home and then is transferred to a hospital and dies theirs it is not a nursing home death. Much closer to 50% than it is to 30%.
"Let that sink in: 43% of all COVID-19 deaths are taking place in facilities that house 0.62% of the U.S. population.Please note. Forbes is listing the number of people living in nursing homes/SCFs as 2.1 million. I do not know where they get to that number as it is commonly reported as between 1.4M and 1.5M. https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#30ce9e1574cd I should note, when the NYT reported this stat to be at least 33% of deaths are from nursing home patients they admit that they were only getting data from 33 states that reported such a statistic, but then you knew that.
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We had almost the exact same thread earlier three days ago. Lots of good points made, input from rocketman and a few others, including yours truly. Now three days later it's like groundhog day, all the same comments are here again. Oh well, it's fun to talk though, I do certainly enjoy our asynchronous conversations.
As for these numbers, Something doesn't quite add up for me, but I'm sure someone who is better with stats will be able to figure this out. This is the current infection count: Confirmed 1.69M +20,286 Recovered 349K Deaths 98,334 Under Parameter 5 in the CDC data table: Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years Source: Preliminary COVID-19 estimates, CDC Overall: 0.004 1690000 * 0.004 = 6,760 deaths. That is pretty far from the current 98,334 confirmed deaths. Simple math puts 98,334 at 5.82%. The CDC does have this disclaimer: " They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19." They also note that data is up to 04.29.2020.
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Don't follow those one-way isles in stores, don't wear a mask, and don't sweat the high humidity......that'll show 'em
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81% in minnesota
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I can say the flu killed 125.000 Americans in last 3 months of last year |
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If the news said to go outside and “stand on your head to slow the spread” you would be amazed on how many people you would see doing it. This is a test to see how far big brother can press people into doing what they are told, and it’s working! Wouldn’t surprise me if this pandemic is a simple dress rehearsal for a bigger plan in the future.
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Its those that impose upon others - by insisting masks be worn, thats the problem. Honest people know that if everyone were simply given the option, no one would force someone "not" to wear a mask - but many would force people to wear one. We know who's who
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Its never been about the illness. Society has proven to be completely fallible.
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did he ever spew on you before?
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A lot of them did have masks though. Got to stay safe when trying to burn the city. Sent from my moto g(7) using Tapatalk |
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Futile comparison.
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before editing the number (apparently post boogeyman virus) it was reported to be 80K in 17-18 season
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