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Those cases are dead, Rodriguez is next. Our only concern at this point is hoping Trump wins in November, the Republicans keep the Senate, and any one of Roberts, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, or Kagan passes on so we can replace them for someone who actually cares about the constitution.
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The roster case should've been a slam dunk for the SCOTUS. It's simple, California is breaking the decision made in the Heller case. SCOTUS said that manufacturers will not and should not be required to modify firearms to meet a states requirement. Everything about the roster is a direct opposite of that ruling.
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if we lose Biden could replace up to 3 justices with Ginsburg, Breyer, and Thomas starting to show their age |
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That type of thinking and rhetoric is EXACTLY how the dems lost in 2016. They got complacent/disillusioned, and stayed home. Gun rights across the nation, with the exception of 8 blue socialist states have expanded greatly since 1994. Now is not the time to hang our heads and cry about it. If the R's DON'T win, you can forget about having to buy off roster guns and make rifles featureless, because the Dems will absolutely be coming for them. Biden and O'Dummy made that clear.
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Trump and the Republicans had two years to make good on their promises to strengthen and expand 2A rights at the federal level and they didn't do anything. Local and state governments operate differently, at the federal level, Republicans are absolutely worthless on the 2A. |
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Please point me to a third party today that has the same level of support the Republicans had in 1860, or heck, even 1856. Not that it can't happen eventually, but it's not present right now. When there's a viable option then we can talk about it.
Last edited by godofgamblers; 06-17-2020 at 6:06 AM.. Reason: clarification |
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Is it not just another filing, that worst case they refuse to hear?
Given the current situation where because of the roster, getting any gun is virtually impossible in CA, that is certainly valid "new evidence" of the sort that by definition MUST be considered. Who is the counsel of record on the case, and can they be contacted and asked to take one last desperate flyer, while holding some MAJOR press conferences to sway the public opinion or at least awareness? The legal theory is there, the additional effort expended is relatively minimal, and the stakes are VERY high right now. Time to call the state's "bluff" that the roster does not infringe on the ability of a law abiding citizen to exercise their right to self defense. If one does not take advantage of a crisis, why the heck NOT?!? Not letting a crisis go to waste is the mantra of the enemy, time to use it for OUR advantage!!!! |
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So if the new roster changes (AB 2847) is signed into law, couldn't one re-submit a new lawsuit since it's a change to the original lawsuit (going from 2 areas to microstamp down to 1)? If so, someone should put it up for legal battle and make sure it ends up on Benitez's bench. At least he could write a better argument for the courts when the state re-appeals.
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Wouldn't change the outcome of the election (because that's based on winner-take-all Electoral College votes which are all going to the Democratic Party anyway), but it would provide much-needed funding to that 3rd Party such that it would elevate their profile significantly - then maybe that would push the Republican Party towards a more civil Libertarian mindset to try and court those votes back, or maybe even to pick a Libertarian to be the running mate. Then your vote wouldn't be wasted in a state that's gonna go blue anyway.
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CA in 2030: what are guns? |
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Nobody can convince me to go with the R's now. They're in the same boat with the D's. |
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The Republican party is a 3rd party in California. The two biggest parties in California are Democrats and NPP .. If you want to make a 3rd party bigger just vote Republican. |
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No, Republicans don't give a crap about the 2A (and other important issues), so they don't deserve my vote. They have failed to do anything relevant to help out this community, and have only hurt us.
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MUCH better would be to do this to Green Party, not Libertarians. Greens would siphon votes away from democrats.
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See how well your so-called "democrats" are doing to Seattle right now. Keep voting for dems and CHAZ wont just be in a single state. Itll happen to the whole goddamn country.
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Only works for over emotional teen girls. Old farts are excluded,
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republicans are merely feeble when it comes to 2a, but democrats are actively against 2a, so i'm not sure how that works out, unless you mean not voting for either
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No sir, the Democrats can all kiss it, to put it politely.
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If you want to take your ball and go home, instead of grimacing, holding your nose, and voting for your best available option, you are just helping your opponent. Good for you, you stuck to your beliefs, and ultimately helped your opponent. Pretty sure the libs learned their lesson from 2016, and will vote for anyone on the ticket, just to beat Trump. And that's what it takes. And by the way, you are wrong about Republicans. While California and 7 other blue states have certainly gotten worse, the rest of the US enjoys INCREASED gun rights, not lesser rights. |
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I've been a registered Libertarian for forty years so I understand third parties. I'll bet no one here can even name a Libertarian cadidate for national office. In my opinion they embarest themselves with the idiots they ran in 2016. In my younger dumber days I worked to try to get a few elected. The more I interacted with them the more I realized that even if one of them won nothing would change. I voted for Trump because he wasn't the same old goods. You can see how much he is hated by the swamp. Kinda proves he is trying to change things. I will vote for him again because he has more to do. It is hard to get anything done when everyone in Washington is trying to destroy you. I'm hoping his second term he won't have to worry about reelection so if we can get him some more votes in the house and build on our hold on the senate. We can get the courts straightened out and pass some real pro second amendment bills. I know some on here will call me crazy and stupid but look at your other choice. Get involved and vote. In Ca. it's a good way to give the finger to all the vultures in Sacramento.
PS. Blame spell check. |
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The thread has drifted from the case to politics, and that's off-topic for this forum.
Feel free to start a new thread in http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=71; realize it's pretty much old ground, with some different named players.
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