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Old 06-02-2020, 11:36 AM
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Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand the responce.
I have never used them but have heard good things about the lowers.

I don't know too much about the complete uppers or rifles.

The only negatives I have heard is that they cost is really low and they go on sale cheaper than any other metal lower.

People are suspicious of low priced items.
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Old 06-02-2020, 12:16 PM
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Oh ok, I know they have 2 different lowers, one is RF85 which is more expensive but supposedly a lot easier to clean and does not heat up as much.

Thanks for response.
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Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand the responce.
Cuz you're not an operator.

You have to be able to operate for the operation while operating the operational equipment.
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Cuz you're not an operator.

You have to be able to operate for the operation while operating the operational equipment.
Bro.

You forgot that.
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Old 06-02-2020, 1:37 PM
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I have a PSA upper with an FN CH barrel and EPT, I love it.
How are those polished trigger groups? I have CMC, Geissele, Hiperfire or similar in all mine... but need to try one of those LaRue's.

I have a spare upper coming in that'll replace one of my other non-CHF ones... that 18" .223 Wylde 1:8 CHF. Ordered MBUS PRO LR's but only received the front sight so far. Will get a Warne Xskel, Viper PSTII 1-6, and a Lantac E-BCG. Should work fine. BCG's getting hard to find on PSA... everyone must be more worried about looting than they were about Covid.
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PSA uppers are better than Combat Armory uppers, and a hair better than Bear Creek Arsenal (with CHF barrels, much better than BCA).

If it is not a billet upper, I personally look at forge codes.

Other than an AR with age, most AR uppers these days have 1 of 3 forge codes.
Keyhole (Cerro Forge), Square (Brass Aluminum Ent.), and Splintered A (Anchor Harvey). I believe Anchor Harvey has been in the AR forging business the longest.

Lower End Brand AR uppers use Keyhole, Mid to Mid High uses Square, and High End uses Splintered A.

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Lower End Brand AR uppers use Keyhole, Mid to Mid High uses Square, and High End uses Splintered A.
I checked few that were easy to get to...

I have a basic PSA with SQUARE.

A Premium that had a MI handguard and lead lapped 18" Wylde barrel with broken A

Bargain basement $159 shipped complete upper that also has a broken A

FN barrel CHF PSA with a square

TROY with a square

Aero on a Aeres broken A - triple A, beyotch.

$159 MIDDY .300 BLK on a Fightlite broken A

I'm leaning towards forge doesn't matter much... OR PSA uses that good tish, Hahah

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Do you want a gun to defend your life .....
Go for 458 Socom. Expensive to shoot if you don't reload but designed as real stopper.

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Inspired by the lack of power offered by the 5.56 NATO cartridge used in the M4 carbine and the M16 rifle, the .458 SOCOM came about from informal discussion of members of the special operations community, specifically Task Force Ranger's experience that multiple shots were required to neutralize members of the opposing force in Mogadishu during Operation Gothic Serpent. Marty ter Weeme designed the cartridge in 2000 and Tony Rumore of Tromix was contracted to build the first .458 SOCOM rifle in February 2001.

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Old 06-02-2020, 3:18 PM
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Go for 458 Socom. Expensive to shoot if you don't reload but designed as real stopper.
I have some of those mags but need the rifle.



How does it do past 200 yards?
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The barrel in my PSA upper was made by FN on the same machines that pumped out many, many M16 barrels for the military.

I wouldn’t call that bottom of the barrel.

I abuse the crap out of my PSA gun because that’s what it is for, it’s a beater rifle not a safe queen.
^^^^ this,
I've purchased some nice uppers and lowers from PSA. IME, they are not the bottom of the barrel.
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Cuz you're not an operator.

You have to be able to operate for the operation while operating the operational equipment.
My new PSA is going to be doing serious cuddling as I carry it from my trunk to the range table and lay it on a soft plush blanket and then back to the car trunk to lounge in its foamy tactical looking import rifle case. I hope it performs as well as the tier ones that are not hobby grade. Those things really operate in the suburbs.
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Once you have the lower, all other parts can be bought online. If buying pieces and not complete uppers and lowers, I suggest investing in the appropriate tools. Have fun!
Awesome thank you, i was looking at some complete uppers and the website said they can’t ship to CA? Not sure why.
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Old 06-02-2020, 5:30 PM
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Bro.

You forgot that.
Hey! Don't harsh my operating. Lol
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Took some time, did a lot of reading, analysis, comparisons, soul searching, equations, and then came to a decision.

Now everything’s sold out lmao
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Took some time, did a lot of reading, analysis, comparisons, soul searching, equations, and then came to a decision.

Now everything’s sold out lmao
Exactly this lol, would someone recommend a budget build kit or completed upper?
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Took some time, did a lot of reading, analysis, comparisons, soul searching, equations, and then came to a decision.

Now everything’s sold out lmao
Well, now you have more time to research!

So, any examples of what you are looking at?

Test: What are the 3 lengths of gas systems?
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Just to add a few more data points. I recently picked up a PSA kit and the upper has a split A forge code. My Daniel Defense and BCM built uppers both have square forge codes.
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Well, now you have more time to research!

So, any examples of what you are looking at?

Test: What are the 3 lengths of gas systems?
Carbine, Mid-length, and Rifle.

I was looking at an 18" freefloat with rifle-length gas.
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Yep, those damn PSA pot metal 7075 T6 alloy charging handles, FN barrels, ahahahahah. Plenty of people know they are not night and day. Their budget uppers come with D-rings and milspec handguards or Magpul furniture. Their M-lok tubes' fit and finish is spot on.

I agree, they have basic A2 birdcages that you spin off ASAP.
Yeah, kinda lost me at "pot metal charging handle". I don't own any PSA stuff that I am aware of but given the plethora of $15-$20 milspec charging handles out there, the idea of vendor shipping charging handles made from melted down Hot Wheels cars is kinda silly.
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Carbine, Mid-length, and Rifle.

I was looking at an 18" freefloat with rifle-length gas.
See, now you're talkin'!

I prefer a 16" with a mid length, but that's just me.

Stainless or nitride or chromed for the barrel?
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Carbine, Mid-length, and Rifle.

I was looking at an 18" freefloat with rifle-length gas.
If you were looking at PSA, yeah a lot sold out, but there are a couple I'd recommend still. The top one is basically the same as the CHF I posted earlier in the thread... but it has a different handguard a lot of people would prefer (pic rail goes all the way across the top instead of just front and rear). The other is very similar with a Geissele tube. Both are really nice.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...cg-or-ch1.html

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...bcg-or-ch.html
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I wanted to get a couple of those Toolcraft bcg's when they were $100 on sale, but it looks like that train has left the station for awhile.
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Awesome thank you, i was looking at some complete uppers and the website said they can’t ship to CA? Not sure why.
I haven't come across anything like that. What website?
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Mid-length gas - with an H or H2 buffer - will recoil a lot more smoothly than the carbine (gas) upper, allowing faster follow-up shots.
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See, now you're talkin'!

I prefer a 16" with a mid length, but that's just me.

Stainless or nitride or chromed for the barrel?
I was looking at stainless for a few reasons - looking into it the difference in durability isn't going to come into play for 99% of situations. I'm not looking to throw a standard magazine that I bought with cash during freedom week in anticipation for this purchase and crack through all the rounds and do the same with 4 others in a session. The amount of rounds I'd need to put down the barrel to see a real difference would be a lot and, looking around at my other stuff, by that time I'll probably have changed out a few pieces and/or bought a new one and let this become the Misses' plinker (although, when I've taken her shooting she's the one that tends to default to rapid fire). I was also interested in the accuracy of it, as I'd like to learn to shoot at more than pistol range and maybe shoot a hog (and yes, I've read the debate surrounding 223/556 and hogs, not looking for a 300-pounder).

Now to find a place selling affordable lowers near LA (I've already sent a lot of emails)
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You can get the Sharp's BCG's right now for $199 and $169 (NIBX, DLC) and the Reliabolts for $60.

https://www.srcarms.com/shop/all-pro...lete-in-nib-x/

https://www.srcarms.com/shop/special...roup-complete/

https://www.srcarms.com/shop/special...enhanced-bolt/
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These videos are always illuminating and addictive in a laid back kind of way. More gauges than a riced out turbo Civic. BCG's... a lot of tish that can go wrong.

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