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Old 12-25-2016, 3:23 PM
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Default Ruger Mk III vs Mk II trigger

I recently dug one of my old Mk IIs out of the safe as was playing with them and noticed that the triggers on my Mk IIs (sample number of 2) seemed a bit nicer than that of my MkIII. It's noticably lighter to the order of at least 5lbs or more.

My question I suppose is, are the MkIII triggers all that terribly heavy (when compared with MkIIs). Or did I just luck out with the MkIIs?

The Mk IIs triggers are very similar to that on the S&W Victory, which are to say, very nice. Smooth and light.

I ask as I'm not sure what I want to do with my MkIII, get a trigger job, remove magazine disconnect and work from there or sell it and be on the look out for another stainless MkII or a MkIV.

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They feel similar to me. My III has a thicker trigger for sure though...
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Old 12-25-2016, 3:52 PM
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I haven't owned a MkII, and maybe you got lucky with the trigger on your MarkII. I sure wish I bought one instead of a Beretta Neos, but money was tight.
I have 2 Mark IIIs and bought this trigger kit:
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-par..._1=VOLQUARTSEN
...They have current promo; $10 off, free shipping and no tax.

Then to install it, I played, paused, and rewound this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXe_Cv3QZaM
Now I have a ~2lb trigger with almost no creep or over travel. Well worth it to me.

...Or, since you have a couple of MarkIIs with triggers that you like, save yourself the $$/hassle/time of a trigger job on the MarkIII and sell it, buy more ammo and use the MarkIIs. With the MarkIV being off roster, and introduced to the market after the microstamping law was implemented, you will probably have a very difficult to impossible time finding one.
Good luck though

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I don't know I put trigger kits in both my MK I and MK II. Never shot a MK III. Did you buy your MK II used?

Lots of us right out of the box replaced the trigger and ejector. Factory trigger is good but original ejectors are weak.
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Removing the mag disconnect slightly improves the trigger on MKIII. Also makes reassembly one step easier.
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I did the mag disconnect and bushing. It greatly improves the trigger pull of the MKIII. I used this kit while I was in there. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/243...i-ii-iii-22-45
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Both MkIIs were used. My stainless one (6 7/8" slabside) has had at least 30-50k rounds through it while in my hands and is well broken in, the blued one early comes out but both triggers are similar, light and smooth.

The MkIII is a newer one, only a few hundred rounds through it, trigger is crisp, just HEAVY in comparison.

The S&W Victory is relatively new (under 1k rounds) but it has a great trigger, similar to the MkIIs.

Been thinking about the Volqartsen kit, but honestly at that price point, might be better off selling the MkIII and biding my time for another stainless MkII or 22/45. The original though was to toss a TRS25 on the MkIII and keep it as a range toy, but I guess I'm a bit spoiled by the nicer triggers of the MkII/victory. We'll see I suppose.

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I don't know I put trigger kits in both my MK I and MK II. Never shot a MK III. Did you buy your MK II used?

Lots of us right out of the box replaced the trigger and ejector. Factory trigger is good but original ejectors are weak.
Did you mean "extractor"? The extractor is the spring loaded hook that is on the side of the bolt that holds on the case. Mostly swapping out for just a new spring will cure FTE, some feeding or ejection issues. The "ejector" is the fixed finger that is riveted to the upper that rides underneath the bolt. Only time I've seen the need to replace was on a gun that the ejector tip was cracked off. A big pain in the arse to remove & replace!
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To OP: The Mk III's are on par with the older guns, just more action parts that needs to be worked on. Along with the LCI (which also can be replaced w/ a filler), the guns are finished rougher so some dehoring of machining marks, sharp edges may be needed.
For Mk III's (Standard, Target, 22/45) I've used a new hammer bushing (various brands) that fills the stepped cut in the hammer. This essentially makes the action like Mk II so there is no need for the magazine disconnect parts. A lot of people will then recommend using the Volquartsen sear which will give you a lighter pull but it will be kinda mushy. The factory sear will heavier but the break will be 'crisper'. I use new, stock sear and trigger return springs. A new trigger with adjustment screws for pre-travel, over-travel will also help in the trigger pull feel.

Go over to RimfireCentral.com to read more opinions. I'd keep the Mk III and work out the issues.

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I guess I'll explore the idea of a trigger job for the litter, does anyone have any recommendations either local or a Ruger specialist? Or even someone who worked your Ruger over?

I suppose I'll get a trigger job and the magazines disconnect removed.

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i removed the mag disco and the trigger improved , still more after time.
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I'm on RFC as well, but figured if you guys had a go to guy locally... Or I could quit being lazy and self install the sear and bushing.

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Five pounds ????
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Five pounds ????
I suppose I meant to say that it's at least 5lbs heavier than the MkIIs (2-3lbs give or take). So the MkIII is probably 8-10lbs or so. No nearly as atrocious as a PPK in DA mode, but not entirely to my satisfaction for a heavy barrel target pistol.

My air pistol, an IZH46M has the nicest trigger of my pistols, pellet or rimfire... It's under a pound.

If it were 4.5lbs or less, I'd be content. Seems like the Volqartsen sear plus the SS bushing replacement should get it near there.

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Oh, stay away from that IZH46M trigger. It'll spoil you, I know mine has! Hopefully, they'll be able to import them again.

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