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Sheriff Bosenko has a Campaign Opponent
I had the opportunity to question Sgt Aaron Maready on KCNR 1460am radio to see where he stood on carry licensing this morning. He indicated that he wanted to streamline the process, but confessed that he does support 'dicretionary issuance'.
If elected, I suspect that the 'new boss' is the same as the 'old boss'. His platform seems more centered on the jail and AB109 issues. FB is here. Audio for this mornings broadcast is here. The interview doesnt begin until 1:10:00 and the pertinent portion related to LTC is at 1;19;40
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche Last edited by CitaDeL; 09-06-2012 at 6:28 PM.. Reason: To add link to audio broadcast |
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Sounds like more typical double talk!! "discretionary issue" What the hell is that? Must be more of the God complex from Law Enforcement.. If you're clean and meet state requirement, it should be a no brainer...Just more of the same on Infringement issues.. remember, the new boss will be like the old boss....
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'Discretionary issue' is actually my descriptor. It more accurately describes 'may issue' in counties and jurisdictions where agencies do issue licenses to applicants, but look beyond good cause, good moral character (ie; the background check) and residency to deny. If you listen to the audio, he says he supports the Constitutional right, but renegs and indicates that there must be some form of 'filter process' presumably to disqualify someone who is not a prohibited person and can lawfully own a firearm. He then reverses on that and states that if you can buy a gun, you should be able to carry it. He either has not resolved the issue of rights vs privileges in his mind, or he was completely blindsided by the question and wasnt prepared to articulate it on live radio. He will have to answer the question, "Can a fundemental right be filtered (administered/regulated, limited) by a government agent/agency?" If he believes it can be, then he does not believe the second amendment applies to carry licensing or the applicants for a LTC.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Update on Citadel's license progress: He has successfully obtained his LTC! According to the thread posted HERE, it is now time to apply for licenses in Shasta county.
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If anyone is unclear by what is meant or how one should apply for their initial license, prospective applicants should private message me or contact me through email. I will be happy to walk through the changes with those interested.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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I just received my permit from Shasta County and found it to be a fairly simple process. Took class, turned in app, had interview that day, received permit 42 days later. Nothing like some of the other counties I've been reading about.
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More news when it is available...
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It took me 295 days for me to recieve my license from the date I applied and interviewed. And my application was initially refused by his staff two weeks prior because I refused to provide proof of residency, my training certificate and submit all the fees up front. This of course, is all completely unlawful. This may upset some licensees, but Sheriff Bosenko will have to adopt all the provisions of SB610 (which he has repeatedly indicated he supports) in order to conform to the law. While this reform is ongoing, he may as well clean up the rest of his published carry license policy to eliminate unlawful requirements and other curious citations from the policy statement he inherited from the prior administration (who stepped down into retirement like eight years ago). The fact that Bosenko issues more liberally than many of his 57 counterparts does not make how he operates any less corrupt. He is still issues under a discretionary system designed to exclude individuals for any reason he wants. That isnt how a 'shall issue' Sheriff operates. I remain hopeful that he is willing to move towards that objective.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Oh wow you got some other stuff going on. I find it easier to just comply, even if it is "unlawful" Do it their way, get permit and move on. But I guess we all need something to keep fighting for.
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Correction. The Sheriff's Office has got some 'other stuff' going on. I applied according to statute and expected them to follow the law.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Well whatever they got going on got me a permit a heck of a lot sooner than you. I have 60 years left at best on this planet and spending every waking minute picking apart the law just isnt on my to do list. But like I said, We all need something to fight for.
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Personally, I cant think of a better spent life, than to hold statist authoritarians accountable to the very laws that they administer. Bosenko is no exclusion, regardless of how ever many licenses he issues.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Minor update.
Sheriff Bosenko was a guest host on KCNR 1460am this morning. Among the topics covered were gun control and carry licensing. The show can be downloaded here or you can stream the February 11, 2013 podcast here. Sheriff Bosenko brings up gun control as a topic at 1:10.12. A question is posed through the internet chat room asking about the status of carry license policy reform. His response can be heard starting at 1:22.00. In short, he indicates that a new policy will soon be released, updated on the website, and in the policy statement being handed out-- it appears to also be the subject of a meeting with 20+ 'CCW' instructors. What is not evident, is why someone who supported SB610, has taken more than 14 months to engage in substative reform since the law was passed. I will be sure to update with copies of any revised policies issued by the S/O.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Finally a Shasta County Sunshine Update posted today by Gene Hoffman (cliff notes version is no change since 2011, but soon....):
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If his carry license policies have been revised, there is no indication in how they are processing applicants.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Deeds, not words...
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I am looking at this through the lens of hearing him pledge his support for SB610 the spring before the law was passed, having watched his dept do nothing either before or after the law was enacted to prepare for compliance, having heard him on live radio claim his policies were in conformance to California law while at the same time I was denied the ability to apply, and watched more than a year expire since SB610 was enacted before a new claim of a reformed policy would be released. I believe along with time, he has burned up all his credibility for the simple reason that it does not take nearly two years to emplement a policy for something he claimed to support. Were he as enthusiastic about SB610 as he should have been as a supporter, the policy would have been ready December 31, 2011. It hasn't shown up yet. History proves him a liar. He is only gotten this far with the encouragement from CGF...and clearly the threat of litigation means something to him. Perhaps with more applicants being told they are to fork over their application fees and training certificate up front and demanding utility bills to prove residency there should be more application of stick and less carrot. Unfortunately, with this level of stubborness, a mule of such a disposition is only fit for dog food or glue.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Here is your most recent update...
http://www.redding.com/news/2013/mar...ermit-process/
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So, in short, everyone has to have an appointment to have their rights violated with an unlawful policy.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Editorial Misses the Mark
http://www.redding.com/news/2013/mar...he-sheriff-on/
The author of this editorial seems to think that upgrading software to share mugshots is more significant than the Sheriff's as unreformed carry license policy. Bosenko is not bound by law to produce mugshots of all the as-yet-not-proven guilty arrestees... He is however in violation of California state law with his discretionary and unlawful policies and procedures. The truth is, neither of these issues is a priority for him. While he may have indicated that reform was eminent- it was either the announcement of requiring a scheduled appointment (which is not meaningful reform), or he has lied once again to his constituents with no intention to conform with SB610... a law on the books for more than 15 months.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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The Sheriff's website has been updated to remove the current application policy statement and add the DOJ/BOF standard application. A hard copy obtained this morning reveals no substantive reforms to comply with the law. I have added a scan of the hard copy that I picked up yesterday for viewers convenience. (Since you cannot get it from the Sheriff's website...)
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche Last edited by CitaDeL; 03-29-2013 at 11:00 AM.. |
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Not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask this question. I am currently active duty military stationed in Solano County. Redding, CA is my home of record and still listed on my drivers license. Can I still apply for the Shasta County LTC?
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Yes, if you maintain your residence in Shasta County you would apply to the Shasta County Sheriff.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Repeated reassurance is not reassuring.
While there is no policy statement of any kind on the Shasta County website now, I was told that the Sheriff's staff is in the 'process' of revising it - a process that has to date, taken 16 months so far to accomplish since SB610 was enacted. (A task which has already been accomplished for the Sheriff, free of charge by the Calguns Foundation.)
Other reassurances;
So if these reforms are in fact now policy, how can applicants possibly know how they should apply or know if the Sheriff is in compliance to the law when they are not published by his office anywhere? If these SB610 procedures are completely unknown to new and renewal applicants, is it reasonable to assume that applicants are performing according to the old (read unlawful) policy statement and being ignorant of the law are paying their fees up front, paying for training up front, submitting the training certificate up front and submitting utility bills as a means to prove residency? Is it also reasonable to assume that absent any reformed policy, that legal resident aliens are forgoing applying for a license as they believe they are not eligible? I believe it is disingenuous to claim that reforms have been made, without the necessary documentation of a clear policy being available to the public. If the public has no idea reforms were made, they don't exist.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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There should be a significant update tomorrow. Stay tuned.
ETA; Looks like we are right back at
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche Last edited by CitaDeL; 04-11-2013 at 8:02 AM.. |
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Finally...
The Shasta County Sheriffs website has been updated to include the revised carry license policy statement. After much waiting, it appears that the S/O has produced something that should have been adopted 16 months ago.
http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/Sheriff/Docs/CCW_Policy.pdf It may take some time for me to digest this, and determine if the changes were substative and lawful. In reviewing the policy I found one item particularly interesting. Under 218.6.3 (g) the policy states; Quote:
This wording was included because; 1) The Sheriff and the county counsel believe this will prevent them from being sued in the event that someone does have their license revoked for reasons other than good cause, good moral character, or residency. They are wrong. 2) The Sheriff is a stiff-necked, statist bureaucratic boob who feels that it is his duty to be the gatekeeper of liberty, deciding who is and isnt worthy to exercise an enumerated right. If anyone is unclear on this notion, it means that Sheriff Bosenko is not, and has never has been, a 'shall issue' Sheriff- and his published policy is a bold and clearly articulated confession of that. The good news appears to be that many of the requirements of the past policy statement are gone. Applicants should not be asked for documentation substantiating residency or proof of training up front. The citizenship requirement is gone. The expectation to pay fees in full are gone. While the progress is notable, the delays in revising and emplementing conformance to California law... were typical of this adminstration.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche Last edited by CitaDeL; 04-30-2013 at 9:15 PM.. |
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In spite of the publication of this;
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It is unlawful for the Sheriff to refuse to process your application for a carry license if an applicant either cannot or will not provide documentation other than the completed application. Quote:
None of these things are 'necessary' to clarify or interpret information provided in your application. Your address is plain enough to understand and sufficient to complete your application.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Shasta Applicants - Please Partcipate in a Brief Poll
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Any update on the current status in Shasta? I have lived here since May of last year but have no proof of residency. Renting a room from a family friend until November. I understand that it's not legal for them to ask for it but with out some backing I don't know how comfortable I would be bucking against the Sheriff's Office. Any help or advice is appreciated.
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Think of it this way; When you buy a ticket at a movie theater, the theater owner can't require you to buy popcorn and a soda before he decides he will roll the film. By virtue of the fact they have sold you a movie ticket, they are obligated to let you view the film or refund your money. It is the same when you apply for a carry license. When you submit your completed application with the portion of the fees that is due at the time, there are a series of obligations on the Sheriff that must be met, some of which must be completed within a specified legal time limit. No application and fee? The Sheriff can ignore you in perpetuity. Once you submit a completed application and fee, the Sheriff is first obligated to consider your application and to inform you of his determination in writing-[PS26202] in a specified timeframe of 90 days from the date of the initial application [PC26205] In other words, it isn't you 'bucking' the Sheriff's office.... it is the other way around- it is them jerking you around. I would recommend applying. If they demand proof of residency or anything else that is not required by statute, contact legal counsel. I like Jason Davis, and he has helped remind Sheriff Bosenko of these obligations before.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Once I have completed my class I will be doing as suggested. Unfortunately, legal counsel is not something I would be able to afford at this time.
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Okay. But you were aware that you aren't required to obtain your training or certificate before you submitted your application AND received the determination on your application from the Sheriff---Right? Or has the Shasta County Sheriff or his subordinates indicated otherwise?
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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That doesn't improve your likelihood of being approved. The only problem I see in doing this, is that in the event you are denied, the education you receive and the money you spend may be wasted. There are reasons why legislation was enacted to reorder this process. I think circumventing the order does not benefit anyone.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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"GENERAL INFORMATION: Each new CCW applicant must demonstrate proof of residency. This can be satisfied in the form of a valid California Driver’s license and utility (electric/gas) receipts in the applicant’s name with the physical address shown (No PO Boxes). Originals of these and other documents must be present during the interview."
That's directly from the criteria, and I understand it's illegal for them to ask... So what is my response to negate this request when it comes during the interview? |
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This is the sheriffs official policy statement. It is largely compliant with California law in regards to the application for a concealed carry license. http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/Sheriff/Docs/CCW_Policy.pdf This is a memorandum dated April 23, 2013 that is not compliant to California law and contradicts current policy. It is electronic garbage that the S/O has forgotten to remove from the website after the final policy statement was released about a week later. http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/Sheriff/D...on_Process.pdf If the S/O insists that you provide proof of residency one can either cite the relevant penal code, or advise the interviewer that you intend to consult legal counsel (and then do so). This neither halts the application process, nor does it extend their timetable to issue a determination.
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Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal. Bastiat “Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” Friedrich Nietzsche |
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