Santa Cruz - (old info)

[pigeonwing]

Hey guys, just joined this forum as you seem to have the most information available for Santa Cruz. I thought I would follow up along with surfinguru regarding rabbit's recent success.

Any news for this process?
Updated GC statements?
Is the sheriff the right venue for a resident of Santa Cruz City?

Thank you for any assistance.

[cparsons07]

Hey Guys,

I've started a Facebook group for those concerned about the lack of CCWs issued in Santa Cruz County. Please join the cause.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SCCCW/

I'm far from an expert on the matter but, as a concerned citizen/husband/father, it means a lot to me. Is there any updated info/stats on CCW for Santa Cruz County?

Thanks,

Chris Parsons

[twinfin]

Many of us are not on Facebook so starting a group there is going to limit you. With the recent random killing in the City of Santa Cruz, now might be the time to start putting some pressure on the Sheriff's Dept.

[cparsons07]

Not on facebook? Buddy, my 80 year old grandmother is on Facebook! (just giving you a hard time)

I will check out the new members forum. Thanks!

[NorCal MedTac]

So since my approval the policy has changed. They have switched to a lexipol policy that is so screwed up and not in line with law its not even funny. I am now an endorsed instructor for the Sheriff's office through my company (www.norcalmedtac.com). I share my good cause statement and personal conversations with the Sheriff to those that come do our classes. I will say for some that did ask specifically that the Sheriff has said that he will not be issuing many permits.

The current information on the calguns foundation is incorrect. It has an outdated policy. We do need to get the most recent good cause statements censored and up.

The facebook site is a great idea. Parsons has it as a closed group so he does have to approve the people. I know I for one am a little more secure talking about it all through that medium than on calguns which is read by all of our enemies everyday. Why on earth anyone that is on calguns wouldn't want to be on facebook is beyond me. Its the most powerful social media currently out there. We are a small county and I know when I reached out for help trying get my permit there was nothing but silence and no returned emails or PMs from anyone at calguns. My experience seems to be the same to another recent successful applicant. But it is true that with the recent murder we have an opportunity to be in the drivers seat some and try and get a voice heard (http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/loc...uzsentinel.com).

For a shameless plug we are holding a CCW class that counts for Santa Cruz County on July 8th and 9th (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=564808). You know we will be giving out all of the info we have there.

[HowardW56]

6/5/2012 UPDATE

New policy and application process available HERE

[choprzrul]

Don't know if this would be of benefit, but figured that I would post it up:

A Glitch Lead to a Man's Early Release from a Mental Hospital

[HowardW56]

LATEST LTC application process added to the Calguns Foundation website HERE.

[otteray]

I searched and could not find the required Cal DOJ
form FD4012 dated 06/02 that was requested in the download.

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by otteray

I searched and could not find the required Cal DOJ
form FD4012 dated 06/02 that was requested in the download.

The link has been corrected.

It is the first link on this page.


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[otteray]

Hope I'm not being a pain but even after going to your updated link, I still can't find Cal DOJ
form FD4012 dated 06/02

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by otteray

Hope I'm not being a pain but even after going to your updated link, I still can't find Cal DOJ
form FD4012 dated 06/02

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/res...(10-17-12).pdf

The form number is at the lower left on the second page....

[ShotsFired444]

I found this hunting around on the web to anyone interested. It was a pain to find.

Well turns out I can't attach it because the .pdf is 7MB and I can only upload up to 5MB. Anyone who wants it just PM me and I can e-mail it to ya. Good luck out there!

[cparsons07]

The link to known successful good cause statements is broken. Can anybody point me to where it has been moved to?

Thanks!

[otteray]

Chris, I recall Wildhawker or someone saying that it was temporarily lost when they updated the website.

However, I saved them on my computer.
I'll share them with you for, say, a box of your .22 ammo?



I kid. Check your FB PMs. I just sent you the .pdf

[mattsn0w]

If someone can share the file with me i'll throw it up on my website or on my public Dropbox.

[SCruzsurfer]

I'm disappointed to share my CCW application was just denied here in Santa Cruz County. I thought I had a 'good cause' statement (my side business requires me traveling all over the county with expensive equipment and cash), but apparently not good enough. I read and used the 'known good' cause statements I found here on calguns to craft my application, but like I said, no dice. Not sure what my next step will be. Hoping to speak to the deputy I contacted initially to get more insight.

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Looking for the Santa Cruz good cause statements. The links aren't working.

TIA

[chainsaw]

The CGF has taken all the "sunshine initiative" data offline. CGF board members have stated at times that they will be put back up soon, or that they are looking for funding for bringing the data back, or that they are working on a new and better initiative. In the meantime, another use has started a similar initiative of gathering data.

If you want the good cause statements, you can always file a PRA yourself. It's free, and not very much work. On the other hand, the probability of getting a CCW permit in Santa Cruz county is fundamentally zero anyhow (unless you are a sworn enemy of the CGF, which will be considered in your favor in various bay area counties), so I don't see the point of bothering with a PRA or an application.

[HowardW56]

Originally Posted by Santa Cruz Armory

Looking for the Santa Cruz good cause statements. The links aren't working.

TIA

Attachment 297250


All you needed to do is ask...

These are dated, but have at them....

[mattsn0w]

If the 9th ruling stays, is anyone up for doing a bulk drop off of applications?

[jonzer77]

Originally Posted by mattsn0w

If the 9th ruling stays, is anyone up for doing a bulk drop off of applications?

I would wait until we hear about the Roberts case since they could still deny you based on good moral character.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by jonzer77

I would wait until we hear about the Roberts case since they could still deny you based on good moral character.

Do you mean the Richards, CGF's Yolo Co case?

GC was so arbitrary, the sheriff could drive a Mack truck thru it.
GMC the sheriff can squeeze a motorcycle thru.

Plus, seeing that the fed cts are now involved in scrutinizing CCW issuance practices and that our lawsuits aren't a bunch of hot air, I expect a LOT of anti sheriffs to fall in line fast. After all, anti sheriffs are merely "politicians with badges & guns" and they don't want bad press.

[jonzer77]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Do you mean the Richards, CGF's Yolo Co case?

GC was so arbitrary, the sheriff could drive a Mack truck thru it.
GMC the sheriff can squeeze a motorcycle thru.

Plus, seeing that the fed cts are now involved in scrutinizing CCW issuance practices and that our lawsuits aren't a bunch of hot air, I expect a LOT of anti sheriffs to fall in line fast. After all, anti sheriffs are merely "politicians with badges & guns" and they don't want bad press.

Yeah that's the one. There should be a decision coming soon and that should hopefully get rid of GMC.

I am not so sure about the fast part but I do expect them to eventually start issuing permits. Wowak must be sh**ing his pants right now and I love it

[camom5]

I just read Sheriff Wowak's letter: Concealed Weapons License Application Process, dated Feb. 25, 2014. It references Cal DOJ form FD4012 (06/02). I've looked for this form and have been unable to find the form or a link. I have located several forms stating they are Standard Applications for License to Carry CCW. All are similar (BCIA4012, etc.), but none are the exact one referenced and I certainly don't want my app kicked back. Does anyone have a link? If so, thank you.

[jonzer77]

Originally Posted by camom5

I just read Sheriff Wowak's letter: Concealed Weapons License Application Process, dated Feb. 25, 2014. It references Cal DOJ form FD4012 (06/02). I've looked for this form and have been unable to find the form or a link. I have located several forms stating they are Standard Applications for License to Carry CCW. All are similar (BCIA4012, etc.), but none are the exact one referenced and I certainly don't want my app kicked back. Does anyone have a link? If so, thank you.

You have to go pick up an app in person I believe. I can't find a link for it anywhere on there site.

Where did you find his letter?

[Nor*Cal]

Originally Posted by camom5

I just read Sheriff Wowak's letter: Concealed Weapons License Application Process, dated Feb. 25, 2014. It references Cal DOJ form FD4012 (06/02). I've looked for this form and have been unable to find the form or a link. I have located several forms stating they are Standard Applications for License to Carry CCW. All are similar (BCIA4012, etc.), but none are the exact one referenced and I certainly don't want my app kicked back. Does anyone have a link? If so, thank you.

Wow, it seems that form is the revision from June 2002. My guess is that you will not find a link for a 12 year old form.

The current DOJ application is: BOF 4012 (Rev. 11/2012)

[camom5]

His letter was forwarded to me by my friend tonight in a text link. I will drop by the S.O. tomorrow.
I wondered about the June 2002 reference.
Thank you for the advice. I'll post an update tomorrow with my findings.

[jonzer77]

http://www.norcalmedtac.com/wp-conte...ss-Handout.pdf

I found a link.

[camom5]

Thank you. Added the group so now I'll get updates.

[surfinguru]

How about the 3 letters of reference. Anyone have examples of what they're looking for?

[otteray]

I can't find the source; but try this:

Some suggested points to include that would be helpful:
1. Nature of the relationship
2. Length of time of the relationship
3. Acknowledgment that the recommendation is for a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
4. The applicant is of good moral character.
5. The recommendation is done without reservation.
6. Date, contact information & Signature.

EDIT: I recall the source for these; it believe it's CGN's own RomanDad

[westsiderippa]

Picked up apps today for myself and the wife. They have them in stacks down at 701 ocean. I thought it was interesting how it states if the new 9c decision is changed you may have to re enter your good cause and may have your CCW revoked.

So we are working on all of our phase 1 info but I have a question about phase 2. Mainly regarding the approved course. Can we take our course now and submit the cert during phase 2? Or do we need to wait to take the course until phase 1 is complete? And any recommendations on when and where to take the course?

[surfinguru]

Ok, I know we're in somewhat uncharted territory here and I'm in no way trying to be cantankerous, but can someone provide some clarification for me?

Sheriffs CCWPolicyRev2 says:

Phase One (to be completed by all applicants)
1. Complete and submit a Standard Application for License to Carry a Concealed Weapon (Cal DOJ form BOF4012). Do not include separate attachments for information requested within the application. Initial every page of the document.
2. Based on current law, and in the absence of any applicable exclusionary factors, self-defense or personal safety qualifies as sufficient “good cause” for the issuance of a license. However, if the law changes in any respect, we may require applicants to supplement the “good cause” statement in order to retain any CCW License that has been issued based on the law in place at the time the license was issued.
3. Submit three signed letters of character reference from individuals other than relatives.
4. Submit proof of ownership and registration of each weapon to
license for concealment.
5. Submit two recent passport size photos (2” x 2”) of the applicant.
6. Complete Live Scan applicant fingerprinting for CCW application (DOJ
fees paid by applicant):http://www.scsheriff.com/Home/LiveSc...rprinting.aspx
or 454-3007 for more information.

and the DOJBOF4012 app says:

1. Complete, read, and sign Sections 1 through 5, as directed. Use additional pages if more space is required.
2. Sections 6, 7, and 8 must be completed in the presence of an official of the licensing agency.
3. Review Section 7 and be prepared to answer these questions orally. Do not write anything in Section 7 unless specifically directed to do so by the licensing agency.

Does one put their "self-defense" good cause on the app when we turn it in or not? Line 2 intimates that you do, yet the DOJ form says it must be completed in the presence of an official.

Secondly, per Sheriff's Phase One, applicants are supposed to complete the Live scan. However, early reports are that applicants are being told NOT to do the Live Scans when turning in their apps and wait to be contacted for an interview. I'd really like to see a flow chart of the process at this point.

It just seems odd to me to not include one's reason for applying or providing one's Live Scan results upfront.

[otteray]

The instructions are stated on the application; just to fill out 1-5 as needed. Nothing else. Your cause is stated under item 7, not 1 through 5.
I asked SGT Medina this morning about the livescan. He stated that it needs to be done when the application is first turned in, or else he cannot move forward to phase 2. He jokingly told me that they want to make sure I'm not a serial killer. Well, I think he was joking anyway
It takes at least a month to hear back from DOJ with the livescan results.

He recommended taking the ccw class after you have been cleared in phase one of the application, so that if you don't pass, you haven't lost that money.
Just call the main number and leave a message for him about your questions. He won't bite your head off, like some of the other counties representatives are reported to have done.
And just to let you know if you were wondering if many folks were applying here in liberal Santa Cruz, the receptionist said that she handed had out lots of applications in the past several days!

[surfinguru]

Guess my coworker just got played. He droped off his app on Friday and was told to just drop off his app, no live Scan required, no monies to be paid and that the Sergeant would call him to schedule an interview. I guess he should've been more assertive and insisted on completing the Live Scan.

[otteray]

He should simply go back when the livescan office open.

[uspastime]

Just turned my app in today, now we'll start the clock. Lives an is $118.00, takes 15 minutes or so. 10' away is the window to submit my packet.

[WillyKat]

Has anyone received a CCW in Santa Cruz yet?

[otteray]

My understanding is that after receiving the livescan results, or maybe, after interviewing, (not sure which,) the 90 day clock for the required timely processing begins. We will hopefully know more this coming week, if the new policy here is announced, as some were informed. My info is second hand, btw.