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While I don't think that adding some exceptions would strengthen anything, why would you want to do that?
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I think you need to start from the beginning of the thread. We've covered a lot of ground, and rehashed history of prior bans. etc.
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I did, I was responding to the post just before mine. The one quoted in my post.
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...and will not stop until the job is done, ever. Anti gun forces have shown their hand in New York and California and it is now blindingly obvious that the goal is total civilian disarmament. Every type of gun they ban makes it easier to ban the rest of them. When all of the semi-autos and pump actions are gone (current CA bills), high powered bolt action gun owners will not be strong enough to prevent their guns from being taken away. This year is the end game for gun rights in California. If we lose in CA this year, gun rights in CA are pretty much done, hunters included. At this point its "Not one inch". NO MORE! Re: you registering your guns. Don't do it unless you want them taken away. One of the new bills eliminates "grandfathering", making rifles registered as Assault Weapons in the wake of the 1999 AWB subject to the CA 2013 Assault Weapon ban, so they will become illegal as well. Tim Last edited by timdps; 02-22-2013 at 5:54 PM.. |
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No what I'm saying is that an exempt list would make the bill harder to challenge kinda like how some semi auto handguns are still legal with that list. Banning ALL semi autos is an easier court case for us isn't it?
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I remember the bill, and opposed. I never did realize dogs were actually used that much for bear hunting. I always thought they were far more common for bird hunting.... Learn something new everyday...... |
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THEY WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNTIL ALL GUNS ARE GONE! Call Steinberg and his ilk and tell them NO! Not with qualifiers, not with "unless you do this" or "I'd rather see this wording". The only word you need is NO.
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And you can bet your bottom dollar bird hunting is next on the block.
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If you see the picture in the article the "arsenal" consists of antique pistols, hunting rifles and shotguns. They were wrapped in newspaper from 1996, when a schoolyard shooting was the pretext for the final gun bans in the UK. It seems terribly sad that the owner had no recourse but to wall up his arms. Maybe he hoped there would be a repeal and maybe there will be one but not in his lifetime. It didn't happen overnight. It happened bit by bit. But this is our future unless we stand up for our rights, here and now. Give them nothing. |
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I think we've beat this thread to death... We all must stand together. Looking out for each other, no matter what particular facet is of personal interest. Simple enough. |
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135 posts into this thread and I've yet to see a Zumbo reference. Moonshine, have you ever heard of Zumbo? He once thought that no one needed an AR15 for hunting. Now, he is nothing but a faint memory. He threw his career away when he said that.
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Stop this divide and conquer nonsense—it is the language of defeat and makes defeat of all our rights a certainty.
"Gentlemen, we either hang together or we will surely hang separately" -- Patrick Henry
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It won't stop at your doorstep. Quit running and take a stand, while there is still strength in numbers.
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Yep, and you can load some others like the .300BLK to roughly match the old .30-30 winchester. Or go the other way to the .450 bushmaster and and .50 beowulf to get performance similar to old school .45-70 rounds
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This one.
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We can not bend. Today its "Assault Rifles" (god how i hate that false term) then it goes to 12 gauge shotguns being "destructive devices" and we will lose them. Then Hunting rifles will be considered "Sniper Rifles"... heck, they already call them sniper rifles in the media. If they divide us they will win. We all have to stand strong and make our voices heard. I refuse to accept that there are "bad guns" and "good guns" All guns are very capable of killing if in the wrong hands... doesn't matter if its a .22 or a .50bmg, they want to disarm us. They are drunk on absolute power and the only chance we have is for us to stand arm and arm together and tell them not this time nor any time. |
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Man, there's NOTHING more dangerous than a "long range sniper rifle"!
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I agree. Maybe; but only if Obama does not have a chance to change the good SCOTUS justices. I don't own an AR or AK, but I refuse to be cut from the herd and abandon those that do. I am not a Cowboy Action Shooter or a hound hunter either, but I fought for the hound hunters, and I certainly would not support making the Colt Single Action Army subject to the rules of the roster; even though it is probably one of the most dangerous handguns ever produced if not handled and loaded properly. I mean even the cap and ball Colts had a notch between the chambers! What's up with that Sam? Folks like you and I need to get these other folks to stop the squabbling and tit-for-tat thinking. It's like a married couple arguing over who screwed whom first.
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You are of course correct. But the idea of untraceable hand loaded ammo is ludicrous. Loading tools leave more tool marks than guns!
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This is the best quote of the thread, so far!
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I think this little slice of Americana sums up the hunting rifles vs. other rifles argument nicely.
"We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin Not one inch.
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It's time the hunting community stop getting a free ride from the 2nd Amendment community and pony up to protect all of our rights.
I think it's atrocious that so many hunters are not members of the NRA. Put your money where your mouth is.
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Moony,
On the list of many things you do not get. The last batch of laws were passed before Heller and MacDonald. California is no longer hides under the veil of a Collective 2nd Amendment, we have Individual Rights and it is not just for Hunting and Sport, as the President likes to espouse. Let them go for the Gold, no exemptions from the Vichy Government. SCOTUS will hash this out, once and for all.
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What needs to happen is for gun owners to realize that politicians are NOT dumb, idiotic or uneducated. REGARDLESS of how strange the wording in a bill may appear.
They write things for a reason. Some of those reasons are to fish the public on what will or won't be acceptable to the constituency. It allows for public comment, committee and general acceptability of the public in general. All of this allows for fine tuning of a bill to promote maximum effect to pass. Dividing hunters from everyone else HAS worked in the past. NO LONGER! Steinbergs mistake here will be to thinking people still rely on "a bolt action rifle" to hunt with. He is waaaay behind the times now! There are many semi auto big game hunters now and in the duck hunting world, the new semi auto shotguns actually rule the duck blinds. This is akin to relying on people who still read the newspaper as a primary news source and not realizing that cable news and the internet has taken over. |
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Yes, but we live in the real world, where facts dominate. Our opposition lives in a fantasy land where the most benign object has it's own central nervous system and can suddenly spring to life and begin killing baby seals and leprechauns if it's not removed from society.
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i'd wager most of them don't know which way to point a firearm when shooting it.
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Yep, they are ALL hunting rifles and pistols. Also, hunting is not mentioned in the 2A nor was it about hunting.
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There you go, using logic again. THis is California: Logic is a Hate Crime against all of the cognitively-challenged that make up the electorate and the General Assembly!
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"hunting is not mentioned in the 2A nor was it about hunting" First and foremost NOTHING is actually mentioned specifically in the 2A in regards to use of firearms. All legal uses of firearms would then be INCLUDED in the core right. INCLUDING HUNTING! Subsistence living is also about survival if and when needed. |
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