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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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No Manufactures have sued CA?!
I just heard and don't know if it's true that no gun manufacturer has joined in a lawsuit against CA for the roster requirements? Has this battle been just the consumer vs. government? If this is true I'm afraid we won't get any "roster relief" until a gun maker joins a lawsuit or starts one. I know I'm preaching to the choir but, imagine if cars met the legal requirements to be sold federally, but CA requires all fuel caps to be behind the license plate or can't be sold in CA (unless you own a dealership and decided to sell your personal vehicle). I'm fairly certain Ford, GM, Toyota, Audi, etc would sue CA.
So assuming it IS true, does anyone know of a manufacturer consider suing? We have got to be a large part of the consumer market enough to make them want our money. |
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NSSF is the group that represents manufacturers and retailers. This lawsuit so far has been unsuccessful. |
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I’d like to see gun manufacturers refuse to sell firearms to state organizations that prohibit the same firearms for residents. You want a handgun roster? Fine, we will only allow LEO organizations to buy the same handguns/rifles that the residents of your state are allowed to purchase.
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Glock, Ruger and S&W have supported the NSSF case.
More here, but it's a long thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=812117
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In this day and age of BIG business. Most firearms manufacturers are owned by HUGE Multi National Corps. And as such, don't give a crap what rights the peasants in any state do, or do not have. |
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Ruger has yet to repent for his sins. He did leave a million dollars to the NRA - for the Bill Ruger museum display. S&W atoned for their errors, we took them back. Ruger collaborated, and we are all acting like nothing happened. No money from me. Screw them. |
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Also, how has S&W atoned? They're still putting locks in their revolver frames, right? |
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The question is when will we reach that point. |
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I think the “law enforcement only” ship has sailed, unfortunately. Last edited by champu; 03-10-2019 at 5:47 PM.. Reason: Of/or typo correction |
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Exempting LE makes it clear that these laws have nothing to do with public safety. Using the lame logic reasoning that non existent "micro stamping" is for the convenience of LE to easier solve crimes is an outrage. Another skewed logic, "We must punish all law abiding citizens" to help cops catch criminals. |
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The car companies didn’t fight CA, they just stardized a 50 state emissions vehicle and doing so without the slightest bit of resistance. Now if they just boycotted selling in CA that would have changed things because they would have voted with their pocket book, but took a hit at the same time. |
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Even if they sued, and even if they won, it’s a many years proposition. It’d cost tons of money and then something else would pop up within a short time anyways. And I doubt it’s worth the hassle. At best you’d get a killing of the micro stamping. But the other stuff is already being done. Glock won’t add it so we’ll never see gen4 and up. The real victory would be being able to get off roster out of production pistols. And manufacturers aren’t gonna hep with that.
Remember, kalifornia gets away with it because the courts have been tolerant of regulating intra-state trade. Think occupational licensing for example. The fact is off-roster pistols are not illegal. This is the state’s catch. They can be brought in if you move in. They can be sold private party. There is no “ban” on those pistols. Not legally. Yes, the intent of the law is a back door handgun ban. And yes, courts have looked at intent, and they’ve looked at impact. Yes, disparate impact was used in discrimination cases. But the law is not targeted at “protected groups”. And no, firearms owner isn’t a group. Not for civil rights purposes. It’s also why we’ll never win on waiting periods and background checks and registration. On new. Although we could win on waits for used but like the manufacturers are going to help with that. Everything is affecting the sale of pistols. It’s commercial regulation. The state wins. Best route to take would be interstate 10 east. Or 15. Or 80.
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Even better.....Deny ALL firearm sales to any law enforcement agency in the entire state of California. |
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Remember, we don't want to be friends with LE, we want to be their enemies.
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Meno, I think you're missing the point.
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The roster was put in place by our state leaders. Showing support to restrict LE with the roster the same as we are is supporting the law. Is that the message we want to send? Gun Manufactures aren't in the game. They only care about the mighty dollar. They won't mess with their bottom line.
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Since Newscum and his leftist supported agenda is to make America just like the UK is, for its progressive gun laws. Watch any and all LE Union support vanish. When they demand that cops here, also be armed just like the UK Bobbies. Can you picture cops patrolling Oakland, South LA, Compton and all other Ca high crime areas. Armed with a Yellow Vest, a Stick, and a Whistle. After all, they can always call 911 just like us peons if they need help. |
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I think all of you guys on this forum need to understand that Gun Control is needed. Not necessarily by taking away the guns but making it very difficult to purchase. Too many guns landing in the hands of idiots.
I don't agree with it all but background checks are very necessary throughout all of the US. |
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Without relying on the already disproven leftist fallacy that BGC prevent idiots, or criminals, from getting their hands on guns. Please enlighten us with your reasoning for your opinion. |
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People get all twisted up to hate Bill Ruger and Ruger guns.....
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too many people are too young today to even know that. I remember seeing California and Federal cars and trucks.
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If what he did does not bother you, you are entitled to forgive and forget or whatever. I am entitled to boycott them until they admit his error. |
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