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Old 06-04-2007, 9:44 PM
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Default Tell me about the eotech magnifiers

I'm purchasing an Eotech HWS. And i'm also thinking of getting a magnifier. I want the ability to go from close to mid-range with my AR. Anybody have experience with one? Does it increase your ability to see clerly at farther distances. Any advice or recommendations? Since I'm getting an Eotech i willl probably get an eotech magnifier as well, but is there a reason to get an aimpoint magnifier instead?
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http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-m...ws-557-4x.html

Unless you have a $1000 to spend on everything then going with either should be find. I've seen a couple of guys use the cheap tank magnifier CTD sells and it seems to work fine.
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That's my dream optics setup...sigh.
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why does the magnifier for the eotech and the aimpoint cost so much?more than the actual red dot itself
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That's my dream optics setup...sigh.
It definitely seems like it could be versatile and good for close to mid range stuff.
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It definitely seems like it could be versatile and good for close to mid range stuff.
And it just looks so sexy .
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:35 PM
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Heres some inetresting EOtech related footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y7B9nos5PI

Product video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6aV-7Mrmgg
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I did a search on tank and magnifier and you're the only reference for it. I know I've heard people talk about this before. Can you post a link to what they're using on CTD?

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http://www.opticsplanet.net/eotech-m...ws-557-4x.html

Unless you have a $1000 to spend on everything then going with either should be find. I've seen a couple of guys use the cheap tank magnifier CTD sells and it seems to work fine.
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It is the panzerfaust 44 anti-tank scope. It is 2 power and is really very well made by Hendsoldt (which is one of the finest glass makers in the world).

Look around, they are getting harder to find. They used to run about $30 to $75 bucks.
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I don't get the magnifiers for the red dot systems.

Just get an ACOG and be done with it. I understand the flexibility in such a system but the weight of both combined has to out-weigh the the advantages.
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I don't get the magnifiers for the red dot systems.

Just get an ACOG and be done with it. I understand the flexibility in such a system but the weight of both combined has to out-weigh the the advantages.
I think you answered your own question. Flexibility. A set-up that can do alot all at once without having to change your gear around all the time.
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I don't get the magnifiers for the red dot systems.

Just get an ACOG and be done with it. I understand the flexibility in such a system but the weight of both combined has to out-weigh the the advantages.
The weight of the Eotech red dot=11.7 oz
Weight of the X4 magnifier with flip to side mount=16.5 oz

Total weight=28.2 oz=1.7625 lb.s

So it adds about 2 pounds to your rifle.

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I don't get the magnifiers for the red dot systems.
I am sufficiently near sighted that open sights beyond about 100 feet are too vague to be any fun. I need some kind of optics, either a scope, or red dot, or whatever, if I want to choose what part of the barn door to hit.
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eotech works good on moving targets. if your gonna benchrest it, get a nice scope instead.

the eotech set up with the 4x magnifier is gonna cost you some dough. for the same amount you can get a nice, nice scope that would be more practical for benchresting, hunting, etc.

last weekend, my bro in law shot a running rabbit at 200 yards with an eotech!
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eotech works good on moving targets. if your gonna benchrest it, get a nice scope instead.

the eotech set up with the 4x magnifier is gonna cost you some dough. for the same amount you can get a nice, nice scope that would be more practical for benchresting, hunting, etc.

last weekend, my bro in law shot a running rabbit at 200 yards with an eotech!
That was a friggin incredible shot! We should have chopped off its foot too.. but I don't think anyone was down to get bloody/ dirty. I would have normally skinned those little bastards. Put 10 together and you'll have a small but warm blanket! Wait till we go hunting..

But going back on topic.. the standard Eotech is plenty sufficient for a multitude of applications.. though there may be better tools for a specific task. If you need magnification with the capability versatility of non-magnified, I'd just pick up a variable power CQB optic like the Leupold or IOR.

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I like this set up!

I love ACOGs but I still think EoTechs are the best for M4 type AR's. As mentioned nothing better for CQB than an Eotech. That 65 MOA outer ring is easy to identify and the red middle dot can be used for precision work for targets out to 100 yards.

That would be the ultimate if you have a magnified Eotech, then once you get within 50 yards you can use just the Eotech. Also as mentioned just a Eotech with no magnification works the best with moving targets. When you have that big 65 MOA outer ring there, you can just concentrate on the target and not the dot.
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Does the new magnifier works with older EOTechs? ie. 552.A65?

PS. I shoot 3 guns matches with my EOTech, no problems with plates out to 300yds....
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Does the new magnifier works with older EOTechs? ie. 552.A65?

PS. I shoot 3 guns matches with my EOTech, no problems with plates out to 300yds....
Yes. They say it works on ALL eotechs.
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If it works with all EOTechs, I'm thinking that the magnifier has a centering function since different mounting options raise the optic different heights above bore.
I'd love to get the 4X option but $800 is a chunk of change. You'll have to decide if it's worth the extra $600 for the 1.5X magnification when compared to the Larue-Hensoldt magnifier combo.
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If it works with all EOTechs, I'm thinking that the magnifier has a centering function since different mounting options raise the optic different heights above bore.
I'd love to get the 4X option but $800 is a chunk of change. You'll have to decide if it's worth the extra $600 for the 1.5X magnification when compared to the Larue-Hensoldt magnifier combo.

Not sure if it has a "centering" function. Maybe you just have to get a mount that puts it at center of your red-dot, like the Aimpoint magnifier.

What really makes me wonder is why the X4 magnifier looks so different than their X3 magnifier(more like aimpoint style).
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Not sure if it has a "centering" function. Maybe you just have to get a mount that puts it at center of your red-dot, like the Aimpoint magnifier.

What really makes me wonder is why the X4 magnifier looks so different than their X3 magnifier(more like aimpoint style).
Just from what I've seen, there are a few height differences:

In order of lowest to highest:
1. Mounted directly to the flattop except 553
2. With LaRue EOTech mount
3. With YHM Riser
4. EOTech 553

I'm sure the difference will be slight but it's noticeable when looking through the magnified view. I'll just have to wait and see, I guess.

To answer your question about the 4X, it's heavier because of its body size and the dual lens system. It's supposed to be on par with the ACOG as far as optical clarity.

This guy wrote up some stuff on his pre-production 4X magnifier with some pics:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=5374
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I have one of those Hensoldt magnifier with the tank reticle taken out (so it's completely clear) If anyone wants to buy it for $60 bucks shipped, let me know. It's the 2x magnifier.

I'd keep it but already have 4. I absoutely love it with my EoTech mounted on my AR.
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Eotech is suppose to be making an integrated sight /magnifiier. If you don't have an Eotech yet, it would be better to wait. The setup of the new sight looks much cleaner.

Magnifier for the holosight doesn't make much sense in my opinion. The main purpose of the holosight is rapid acquisition and target engagement with BOTH eyes open. You can't do that when one eye is at 4x.


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I'm purchasing an Eotech HWS. And i'm also thinking of getting a magnifier. I want the ability to go from close to mid-range with my AR. Anybody have experience with one? Does it increase your ability to see clerly at farther distances. Any advice or recommendations? Since I'm getting an Eotech i willl probably get an eotech magnifier as well, but is there a reason to get an aimpoint magnifier instead?
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Magnifier for the holosight doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
Us nearsighted folk need all the help we can get, and a magnifier which can flip in and out of view is a godsend.
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Eotech is suppose to be making an integrated sight /magnifiier. If you don't have an Eotech yet, it would be better to wait. The setup of the new sight looks much cleaner.

Magnifier for the holosight doesn't make much sense in my opinion. The main purpose of the holosight is rapid acquisition and target engagement with BOTH eyes open. You can't do that when one eye is at 4x.


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The only difference between the 557 (Eotech and magnifier) and adding the 4X magnifier to a current Eotech is the location of the brightness switches on the new one -- so they're not behind the magnifier. Otherwise it's the same. The set-up looks "cleaner" because they're squished near eachother, seen here (notice the switches on the side):

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The only difference between the 557 (Eotech and magnifier) and adding the 4X magnifier to a current Eotech is the location of the brightness switches on the new one -- so they're not behind the magnifier. Otherwise it's the same. The set-up looks "cleaner" because they're squished near eachother, seen here (notice the switches on the side):


Dam that set up really looks kick ***! I like Eotechs and being able to magnify it anytime you want is the ultimate. It is an expensive set up but is pretty much on par with an ACOG only set up.

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Yes, but those brightness switches are the ones that also turn the unit on and off... You'll have to flip the magnifier out of the way otherwise.

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The only difference between the 557 (Eotech and magnifier) and adding the 4X magnifier to a current Eotech is the location of the brightness switches on the new one -- so they're not behind the magnifier. Otherwise it's the same. The set-up looks "cleaner" because they're squished near eachother, seen here (notice the switches on the side):

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Eotech is busy filling military orders. SWFA and opticsplanet don't expect the 557 to be available untill mid July.
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Mid-July is 4 weeks away and that's the date they've been quoting since January. Who knows if they'll actually start rolling out then.

IMHO it's a nice set-up with a lot of flexibility. It's actually two separate pieces -- the EOTech and the magnifier on the mount. Clodbuster is right, of course the switches were moved there so you could adjust without moving the magnifier out of the way (or taking it off if you use the twist-off).

The reticle of the 557 also has a BDC, as shown here:


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The reticle of the 557 also has a BDC.....
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Some folks on ARF.com prefer to use the aimpoint magnifier for the eotech. They say the new eotech magnifier is not as "good" as the aimpoint.

Here's a link to what a eo with the AP magX3 looks like:

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=...271375&page=10
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The only difference between the 557 (Eotech and magnifier) and adding the 4X magnifier to a current Eotech is the location of the brightness switches on the new one -- so they're not behind the magnifier. Otherwise it's the same. The set-up looks "cleaner" because they're squished near eachother, seen here (notice the switches on the side):
Quoting SMGLee on ARFCOM, the 557 is actually a little taller than the older ones for 2 reasons. First, to allow you to run the nose of the battery box over the handguard (so you can move it far enough forward to make room for the magnifier and a flip BUIS) and second to allow enough height for the flip-mount mechanism on the magnifier.

So as I understand it, you'll need a small riser on your non-557 sight to have it mate up w/ the EOTech magnifiers.

I have the 2X Hensholdt setup now:



LaRue has a sexier option w/ one of their flip mounts and a 2X Hensoldt mag (w/ the tank silhouettes removed): http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetac...ail.bok?no=131

But I've decided I'm going to go w/ a 557 and 3X flip-mount (and move my existing 512 to my M1 Carbine or other AR). I don't like the ACOG idea because then you have to have a red-dot on top for CQB work and now your red-dot is like 5 inches above your barrel. Seems like a recipe for WIDE variations between 3-50 meters from POA to POI.

The flip-magnifier idea appeals to me as it's the best of both world (TRUE 1X unlike the Meopta's, Millets, Elcans, etc.) and a magnified optic in one.

Also, for USPSA, an ACOG and red-dot is treated as two separate sights which puts you in the open class. One sight plus a magnifier is still only one sight.

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At the risk of setting off the anti-Chinese rants, there's a longish thread over at arfcom about the clone magnifiers from ebay:
http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=369110

If you're going into combat with this, you should probably avoid oddball stuff, but if you want to try out a magnifier at the range without spending $300+ on it (I've got Leupold 3-9 scopes that cost half of that!), it's something to think about.

Nobody's been able to explain yet why a fixed 3x or 4x magnifier with no mount or adjustments should be so expensive.
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eye relief is supposedly good on aimpoint 3x

eye relief is bad on the tank optic apparently, based on quote from grywlfbg in another thread.

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Here's mine. EOTech 512 w/ 2.5X Hensoldt magnifier on a 1337tactical.com mount. Magnifier is milsurp from a Panzerfaust ($50 w/ the mount).

It works pretty well but eye relief is terrible. I'm waiting for the new Elcan Specter. Xeno, how do you like yours?

eye relief is less than that of aimpoint for the eotech.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?p=992206

perhaps this is why acogs are so expensive too?

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The Hensholdts have zero relief, practically...

I'm much more impressed by the Aimpoint magnifiers. Enough I bought it over the EOTech... definitely skip the 4x as it's really only 0.5X stronger.

I agree that this is one time the money seems ridiculous on the magnifier. Mineral glass still costs money, but the alignment is less stringent, no return to zero or reticles to be adjusted, etc. etc. That these magnifiers cost as much as a Trijicon Accupoint is hogwash.

Give a run on the knock-offs... I bought one that wasn't supposed to have trademark issues (looks different, no writing), but it ended up being an exact copy with logos of the Aimpoint. I'm not happy about that. Cost $80 and the glass is pretty clear, but the relief is less than I'd want.
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yeah, it seems most of the knockoff reviews are ignoring eye relief which is really the only difference between the two expensive ones... if you don't care about eye relief might as well get the rocket launcher optic.
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Yeah, the problem with eye relief is it's difficult to measure objectively, and the subjective comparisons you get on most reviews aren't very precise. Most official eye relief specs are from the manufacturer's design parameters.

I made up a fixture for measuring eye relief a while back, and it's still hard to get an accurate, reliable number.
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usually back to back comparisons are reliable thought right? this one has more or less than that one?

is it safe to "know" that the aimpoint has more eye relief than the eotech magnifier?
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Yes, internet consensus is about as good as it gets, and can be very helpful, especially at high-traffic sites like arfcom.

The problem is for people who don't have experience with either one (like me) - one person's idea of good eye relief may not be the same as mine, and even though one's better than the other, both may be too tight (I need a good bit of eye relief typically).

Not that it matters to me - there's no way I'm spending that kind of money on a simple fixed magnifier. I'm looking at the clones for some testing, but again, it's hard to say if the eye relief will work for me or not.
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Hey guys, as you can tell from the picture above I bought one of the EOTech 3X magnifiers. I looked through both the Aimpoint and EOTech magnifiers and I couldn't tell any different at all in clarity or eye relief. That being said, the EOTech flip-mount is kinda crappy. I would definitely not take this thing into combat. The problem is it relies on a spring to keep the magnifier out of the way. If that spring breaks you're screwed.

Prior to buying the EOTech 3X I put my Hensoldt into the LaRue flip-mount and it freaking rocks. Only problem is that the way the mount is designed you can't use it w/ the EOTech magnifier

So if I had it to do over again I'd get the Aimpoint 3X and this LaRue mount:

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetac...ail.bok?no=171
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