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Old 09-25-2018, 9:32 PM
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Guns don't kill.. they are inanimate objects..

The design of guns is to eject a projectile at high velocity.. people have intent, not guns and more than "hammers kill".. hammers are designed to hit things.. people decide what to hit.
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I have several military rifles that were more than likely used in WWII and they are tools and have no life of their own. I do have a handgun that was used to murder someone and I have shot it at a range and there is nothing scary or haunting about it. It is just a piece of metal.
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Guns are inanimate objects like cars, and I don't care whether they've killed people although I might note that unusual fact.

My first car's owner committed suicide, with cause of death listed as carbon monoxide poisoning.
The original owner of my first car, a 57 Ford, died in the car (not a crash). I was 16 & that was 60 years ago. Took a while to get the odor out, but hell it was wheels and at 16 I was not about to complain.

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Mil surps to be specific.
Never really thought about that other than the historical aspect.
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How do you know which pistols were specifically issued to SS?
That is why research and books are a must for collectors. There are serial number ranges and markings on guns that tell stories.
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I never really thought about it until I read your thread. I don't know if some of my old used rifles or handguns ever killed anyone and I as I think about it, I don't care.

I know that certain models I have killed thousands of people (& animals), like the Winchester lever action. Still, the Winchester is one of my favorite rifles.

It's just a tool that has different uses. It's not like I'm into collecting electric chairs, gas chambers, or Zyklon B canisters from 1942.
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At the end of the day, the gun didn’t kill the person. The bullet did. I might feel a bit weird owning knives that stabbed people to death. Although I own milsurp bayonets so maybe not.
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Killing, be it animals or people is kind of the 'design intent' of firearms. If you have a problem owning a weapon that has served that stated 'design intent', I question why you own firearms at all?

If I found myself seeing this as a crisis of conscience I would in turn have to ask myself why I own weapons to begin with? Could I/you use them if, and may god/buddha/the great pumpkin forbid, you ever really HAD TO use them.

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Well not exactly! A gun is designed to launch a projectile. A item designed to kill would be a gas chamber!
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Guns don't kill people; people kill people.

It wouldn't bother me to know that a gun I own might have been used.
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It doesn't bother me, the bullet did the killing anyways. I guess some people have thicker skin than others. Reminds me of a story my tells me about my dad. Back in the day he bought a used VW Camper Van, I guess it was in pretty good shape except the drivers seat was a little torn up. So he went searching wrecking yards for a second hand seat, found a fresh on that still had blood on it, so he took it home, housed it off and installed.
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Guns are inanimate objects like cars, and I don't care whether they've killed people although I might note that unusual fact.

My first car's owner committed suicide, with cause of death listed as carbon monoxide poisoning.
^^^THIS. I own the gun that was used to killed my sister. Part of it's history. But the gun was just the tool the killer was her husband.
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Some bullets may be designed specifically for killing. Guns are designed to fire the ammunition to a specific performance level. It's a reach to say that a gun is designed to kill. While it's not a secret that many guns are designed to be weapons, not all weapons are lethal, nor are all guns designed for "social" use. No one sat a a design board and said how can we make this gun kill more effectively.
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Murder happened at a discount, huh? Do you still have his number? I’m on a budget...

I have more kills w/ my air rifle than most of my milsurps probably have. Granted they’re squirrels, not humans... In other words, it doesn’t bother me.
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How do I feel about owning guns that have almost certainly killed people?

The same way I feel about a worthless rock that is over priced to begin with.
I wouldn't buy a Diamond that didn't have blood on its hands.
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Can't let something like that bother you to any significant level.

You still buy products from companies that supported their war machines that killed Americans.. Japan Zaibatsu (Mitsubishi, Nissan, Sumitomo, Toyota) BMW, Daimler Benz, Walther etc.

I had friends in high school whose dads were in the German army and the Japanese navy in WWII.
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I would love to know how every one of the milsurps I have was used - whether it sat in storage, or if it was used in a conflict, how good of a shooter the soldier was, if someone depended on this gun to fight off the enemy, and if or how many enemies were slayed by the shooter using this gun.

When I buy police trade in Glocks I wonder the same thing.

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I have several mil slurps that were used in WWIII so some were probably used to kill. I also own a gun that was used to murder someone. They are pieces of metal and have no life of their own. It takes a person to use them.


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Guns dont kill people, people do.
So just don't own people that have killed people with guns.
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I have a luger and an 03a3 so i hope the 03a3 killed more enemies than the luger did.
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Mil surps to be specific.
Never really thought about that other than the historical aspect.
Also, I know guns don't kill people, people kill people, but still.

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Heck it bothers me more that I own a house with a bathtub.

Lucky for me the house also has a shower.

Bathtubs are really deadly........
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Guns don't kill people.
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Evidently based on the auction prices that some guns used in the "old west" have sold for, big dollar collector's and museum's don't have an issue with buying and displaying those.

Thinking the gun is in anyway responsible for the actions of the user, either lawful or unlawful is playing right into the gun grabber's line of thought. That the gun is bad in the first place, and responsible for all the bad in the world.
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At the end of the day, the gun didn’t kill the person. The bullet did. I might feel a bit weird owning knives that stabbed people to death. Although I own milsurp bayonets so maybe not.
I own many bayonets, several are notched, it doesn’t bother me in the least...

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Anyone else get a weird eerie feeling around Nazi guns, especially SS pistols?
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That is why research and books are a must for collectors. There are serial number ranges and markings on guns that tell stories.
While I am not a "collector" of WW2 Axis weapons... I own two K98's and four P-38's and two occupation mfgr Browning P-35's I have a degree of familiarity.

The only small arms actually roll marked as SS weapons were some K98's early in the war.

P38's and Lugers issued to Waffen SS troops came from the same factories and contracts as all the other German armed forces and were not SS marked. Any that are have been faked according to most all experts in the collecting community.

Some pistols captured or made under occupation were popular with Waffen SS troops (Browing P35, Polish Radom) but again, were never roll marked SS during the war.

The only way to establish SS ownership / use of the weapon is documented information from the person who captured the gun from a member of the SS. There is a strong implication of SS use / ownership if the accompanying maker marked holster is also marked with circled SS runes. The SS did run factories (using slave labor) that produced clothing, kit and soft goods for use by SS personnel, including holsters. Sadly, all these items are also commonly counterfeited... the holsters in particular because of the increased value assigned to the handgun in the holster.
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Just bought a police trade-in. After 18 years on the job, probably hit a person or two. Don't really think about it.
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it's actually the bullet that killed someone....so the gun is ok. i don't think i'd want the bullet back
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Only if you are talking about a piece that is verified as having belong to Hitler, Stalin, Manson, the Columbine killers, etc....someone monstrous. I'll happily pass on those.
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Only if you are talking about a piece that is verified as having belong to Hitler, Stalin, Manson, the Columbine killers, etc....someone monstrous. I'll happily pass on those.
I would gladly take those. As I said before, history is history.
When a museum offers me a ton of money for them I will consider selling.
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They are inanimate objects without inherent malice or intent to harm. Who cares what someone used them for in the past, just concentrate on you using them correctly and proficiently.
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They are inanimate objects without inherent malice or intent to harm. Who cares what someone used them for in the past, just concentrate on you using them correctly and proficiently.
To each their own. I don't care about some general schmoe who had to shoulder a weapon and fight in battle. I just don't care for a direct link to someone who willingly committed atrocities. Don't want his guns. Don't want to live in his house. Don't want to sleep in his bed. Don't want to sit at his kitchen table. All inanimate objects, but they still are connections through history. I chose not to knowingly and voluntarily be linked that way.
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Just bought a police trade-in. After 18 years on the job, probably hit a person or two. Don't really think about it.
Depending on what it is, a safer assumption would be that it may have been cleaned once or twice.
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Mrs Winchester had those same feelings.... She just let them get the best of her and her sanity.
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Oh darn....
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It would creep me out. I would sell it if I found out that it had been involved in killing somebody.
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OP watched the movie "hereditary" and is now scarred for life.
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It would bother/haunt me to sell one of my guns (dont worry I never sell... ) and find out later that it was used to illegally take a life. Again, a gun used to legally in self defense to take a life... commands a premium in my world!
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Here's an article on famous murder weapons up for auction

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Beds kill people, about twenty times more than mass shooters.

You might want to sleep on the floor.
And the last person many dying people see is a doctor...
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