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Old 09-24-2018, 9:50 PM
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Default What is your most interesting or most unique C&R and why?

For me its probably my non refurbished 1920 Nagant revolver that was captured by Finland.
Produced during the civil war and happens to have a Russian Imperial Proof on the reverse of the frame
Its definitely seen some use.


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Old 09-24-2018, 10:57 PM
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My collection isn't nearly as deep as a lot of the guys here, but I'll play. My favorite Mosin is my 1894 Chatellerault M91. It's a mixmaster of parts and eras but I love her. On her barrel shank, she wears JSE, proof mark, marking her as a likely WWI capture by the Austrians. On the stock a Deutsche Reich stamp is observed, leading me to believe she spent time in Germany at some point as well. Of course from there, I'm guessing she was sold to the Finns, as a S.A. mark is noted. Coming full circle, a CCCP cartouche is on the stock as well. Recaptured by the Russians from the Finns? No idea. This rifle also has the "Balkan wedge", although the history on that is not exactly clear. Last and probably least is her CAI import mark hereby completing her service, where she will be kept in my family as a prize heirloom for years to come.




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Most of my C&Rs are pretty common, but a couple that I find very interesting are my Gewehr 98, and recently aquired P38. My Gew 98 is has a Star of David carved in the stock in the form of trench art. That's interesting for obvious reasons I think. I recently picked up from another member a BYF 43 with some battle damage. The story is that it was shot out of a German soldier's hand. The trigger guard is bent pretty bad with a little bit of metal missing. The story will never be confirmed, but it's obvious that something traumatizing happened to this poor pistol (and perhaps the person holding it) long ago. Luckiky, it does not affect the function of the gun, and I bought the gun, not the story.
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I love this 1955 Ljungman. Came to me from another collector and it's probably the rarest rifle I have ever owned or will own. Nothing particularly special about it other than it was made in 1955 and is pretty mysterious, and seems to be basically new.



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Man that’s a tough one. Without picking 25% of my collection I quickly chose these as they’re scarce. SVT38 and a Finn High Power


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My Westley Richards 1897 ZAR Martini Carbine. Only 2500 made for the South African Repulic just before the Boer War. Super neat little carbine that packs a punch.




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I have a number of them, but maybe these two.
P49. This is an original Swiss Army issue P49 which later came to be known as the one most of you have..... the P210.
The serial number begins with an "A" which means Swiss Army Issue, and the rest of the number tells us it is among the first 200 ever made. The astounding thing is that its completely mint, inside and out. The bore is like a mirror with sharp lands/grooves and the Hawkeye Pro Borescope shows it to be virtually unfired. I even have the Swiss Army issue tracking sheet for his one with the soldier's name and date of issue. Beyond that........... there's no entry other than the officer turning it back in to the armoury.
This gorgeous piece of Swiss craftsmanship came to me with the original issue and serialed holster, the two army issue magazines, army issue cleaning kit and the field manual, virtually intact and has no import markings at all.



And this one.... The zfk55 ..... Absolutely mint and only 4,000 of them ever made.



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That is a tough one. I'm going with my Matching Belgian FN-49.


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Hmmm, rarist, MAS44? Around 6200 produced. Rasheed, around 6000 produced. Coolest? M14 with the AN/PVS scope.
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most unique is probably a webley-fosbery "automatic" revolver


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I have to distinguish between interesting and/or unique. To me, interesting just has to have some history and unique is generally a rare or uncommon gun here in the US.

In the history category, I submit my 1861 Springfield musket. I have the family history on this gun and the soldier that carried it in the Civil War.





Rare or uncommon would have to be this S&W 1899 First Model Target revolver. I have been told by more advanced collectors that there may be as few as 50 or these left in the world that are still in original condition.



For the cool and unusual factor, this 1916 Commercial Mauser C96 with Imperial German Army proofs.




And a teaser for an upcoming C&R post. This is an accessory for a rifle that I expect to have in my hands sometime in the next few weeks.
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While this might not qualify as a C&R it is extremely rare in the US.

Hungarian FEG AMP-69 selectfire AK47. It is a post sample machine gun.

This is a factory built AMP-69 and not a parts kit. It was imported by TGI of Knoxville, TN which has a somewhat interesting back story on how these were stuck in customs for a long time. Based off the FEG AMD-65, the AMP-69 was designed to launch grenades. In order to reduce recoil while firing grenades, the stock has a sping that allows it to collapse toward the receiver and the handguard has dual springs that allow it to slide toward the front of the receiver in the opposite direction of the stock.

Some unique features are a locking dust cover so it does not get blown off from the higher gas pressure of launching grenades, a switch that closes the gas port, and a ported barrel with removable barrel sleeve, and factory 10 round magazine for using grenade launching blank ammo.

The optic has a fogged half section made so that the eye has to be perfectly lined up to get proper field of view for launching grenades. It is non magnified with only a few hash marks and a lever that adjusts the angle of the optic for 100-400 meters.

This particular AMP-69 appears to have very little to no use on it. I do not plan on firing it and am looking for matching accessories such as mag pouch, grenade pouch, training grenades, grenade blanks, and sling.

As far as I know there are no fully transferable or preMay AMP-69 machine guns. Only a handful of post samples were cut up and sold as parts kits so maybe there are around 10 or so semi auto guns built off AMD65 semi auto receivers or other FEG and third party receivers. I do not know how many post sample AMP69s are in dealers hands.

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One of my favorites is an Arisaka T38 carbine that stayed in China after the war. Totally mismatched with a T99 safety, it had a very hard life and has the coolest looking repairs I've ever seen on a C&R











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Mine would probably have to be my Gewehr 98 that was rebuilt into a Kar98K at the District 7 depot during WW2. It was captured after the war and put back into service. A true work horse! Has some paint on the stock that I still do not know what it means.







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One of my favorites is an Arisaka T38 carbine that stayed in China after the war. Totally mismatched with a T99 safety, it had a very hard life and has the coolest looking repairs I've ever seen on a C&R











That's great!!!! Just like they kept the old Model Ts going on cross country road ttips!!
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My father picked this up in France during WWII. It's a WWI French contract 32 acp Izarra based on a Browning design. It has the rare long barrel and my father made the sweetheart grips. Since he had no sweetheart or wife at the time, the photo is of his kid sister.

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Mine is this BSA #4 sporter (not a sporter built on a #4 rifle) that was sold through the Army and Navy Cooperative society in November 1914. The muzzle is threaded for a sound suppressor. A person on another board suggested that it was one of the rifles used by the RN at the beginning of the war, but it has no such markings on it.

It was sold to a J.W. McGowan, Esq. A rifleman J.W. McGowan was KIA in France in 1916. Don't know if there is a connection between the two names or not.

It is a great shooter and has an excellent bore. It was originally sold with a 5 round magazine which was replaced with the 10 round magazine by the time I acquired it.



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Most interesting to me is my Mauser with:

Czech Lion Crest

Unpeened Nazi Eagles

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My Borchardt.

I can't seem to figure out posting pictures. Still....
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Unique? I think the OP nailed it with the Nagant revolver by virtue of it’s ammunition and operation.
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Czech Lion Crest

Unpeened Nazi Eagles

Star of David

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Rampant Lion is one of my favorite crests. I just picked up an Isreali with an interesting extra bit of history to it. I will post when I receive it.

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I need one of those. They are cool because of their action. For me the action of the Luger is what makes it cool as well.

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Rarest is probably my 34 PM-86 marked 91/30, something like 10 known to exist

Most interesting would probably be my 28/30, not refurbished and still has all of the original 28/30 parts (HV mag, aluminum barrel sleeve). It's definitely seen some heavy use somewhere, but still shoots well enough. I'm sure it'd have an interesting story to tell if it could talk.
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I love this 1955 Ljungman. Came to me from another collector and it's probably the rarest rifle I have ever owned or will own. Nothing particularly special about it other than it was made in 1955 and is pretty mysterious, and seems to be basically new.









Fact: Ljungmanns are WAY awesome. They may be harder on brass than a Garand. And I really want one. I am jealous


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I am not worthy to post in the same thread as most of the "real" collectors here, but I've got a crappy little Ortgies pistol that I found out belonged to my maternal great grandfather the patriarch that immigrated to the US. It's a crappy little pistol but it's accurate and it shoots great and it belonged to Great Grandpa so I like it because it's MY piece of familial poop.

I've got a pretty nice Rasheed, a six-digit CMP Service Grade Garand in a tiger striped birch stock and an all matching Romanian SKS with nice stamps on nice wood.
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I guess mine would be my C-96 “red 9” and my Rasheed.
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Luxembourg M1900 Mauser. Depending on who you ask The estimates of how many were produced are anywhere from 500 - 5000. But highest known serial number is L 496. Mine is L 360 all matching except for bolt. Second, is my P04 Navy Luger. It's a 1906 1st Altered Navy, all matching except for the magazine.

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Stevens .22/410 Survival Rifle, because of the condition, and where it came from. I posted a thread on it here:
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Teddy Roosevelt's 1874 Sharps Business Rifle in .45/75 Sharps Straight (45/70 Gov). I got it in a coffee can, took 8 years to restore.



AH Tompkins Precision Pistol. .22LR "Trapdoor", with a trigger that will adjust down to .5oz. Very rare and unique, this is #26 of 250 made in the 50's.

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Many thanks to the OP for starting this thread, lots of good stuff out there!
I have a couple to add, both Finn Mosins. First is an M28 with ski trooper stock. Bought this at an LGS when I first started collecting and both the LGS and I thought it was just another old Mosin. I bought it because it was cheap on only later did I find out it was fairly unique, particularly the stock. Also have a New England Westinghouse M91 that is SA marked. I'm guessing this rifle has traveled more that I have!

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Czech Lion Crest

Unpeened Nazi Eagles

Star of David

All on the same rifle
The IDF conversions are pretty cool, and I love the Czech Lion Crest. I picked up a stripped IDF Czech receiver from Century a while back, and in the process of turning it into a Jeff Cooper Scout-type rifle, in a already bubbad Gew-98 stock I had. Should be a little over 7 lbs when done.

I have a 1917 Gew98 that was converted to a K98 at some point, then later rebarreled to 7.62 NATO by Israel. It has Imperial, post WW1, and Nazi era German as well as IDF markings, plus some that are a mystery.





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snip. . . . Should be a little over 70 lbs when done.
Looks nice but I hope it comes with a sherpa at that weight!
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My weirdest piece is the Enfauser. Turkey captured some Enfields at Gallipoli and rechambered them to 8mm mauser by replacing the front end. Photo is from Empire Arms where I bought it from.
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Early Tikka 1891 Mosin Nagant, one of 3,000 depending on how you spin the numbers.
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My weirdest piece is the Enfauser. Turkey captured some Enfields at Gallipoli and rechambered them to 8mm mauser by replacing the front end. Photo is from Empire Arms where I bought it from.
I've read of them but never seen one. Cool but don't shoot it!
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I am not worthy to post in the same thread as most of the "real" collectors here, but I've got a crappy little Ortgies pistol ....belonged to Great Grandpa....

Ortgies pistols aren't that bad - maybe not as collectable as a Walther PP of that era. At one time they were one of the most common pocket pistols in the US. John Dillinger had one.

https://crypticpunk.wordpress.com/20...omatic-pistol/

I have an Ortgies in .32 acp. The cool thing is I have my father's City of Los Angeles CCW from 1949 with that gun listed on it. I also inherited his 1950s S&W model 10-2 BNIB never fired (before I started shooting it anyways)
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I've got an Ortgies in .25, guess they're still pretty common!
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1892 Mauser rifle in .30 Smokeless. (.30-40 Krag)

Found it leaning up in the corner of a gun shop. Store staff had no idea what it was.

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