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Obama’s education secretary: Let’s boycott school until gun laws change

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Former Education Secretary Arne Duncan pushed a radical idea on Twitter: Parents should pull their children out of school until elected officials pass stricter gun control laws...

“This is brilliant, and tragically necessary,” Duncan tweeted. “What if no children went to school until gun laws changed to keep them safe? My family is all in if we can do this at scale. Parents, will you please join us?”...

Duncan said in an interview Saturday that the idea was intended to be provocative but that an aggressive approach like a school boycott is needed if gun laws are ever going to change. He has school-age children and said if this idea were to gain traction, his family would participate...

Duncan is the managing partner of Chicago Cred, an organization that works to curb gun violence in Chicago.

A school boycott, Duncan said, is just one suggestion, and he said he’d consider other creative ideas that could impel policy changes...

Others questioned the practicality of the idea, saying it may be hard for single parents and low-income families to participate.

Still, some chimed in and said they would volunteer to watch children in their homes while they boycotted school...
You have to wonder if there are plans to do what the Florida Legislature did in terms of eliminating test requirements and lowering credits required to graduate so the kids don't 'get hurt,' you understand.

Then there's the fact that Obama's Education Secretary, Arne Duncan, is directly or indirectly tied to a program in Broward County which is currently under scrutiny related to the Parkland shooter.

Oh, yeah. Chicago CRED, the organization he's the 'managing partner' of? It's an anti-gun violence program.

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In some respects, it sounds like an "adult version" of the Broward County program; i.e., intercession of 'high risk' adults instead of 'children/teens,' where the adults are trained, given life coaching and transitional jobs, then placement in permanent positions.
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Obama’s education secretary: Let’s boycott school until gun laws change



You have to wonder if there are plans to do what the Florida Legislature did in terms of eliminating test requirements and lowering credits required to graduate so the kids don't 'get hurt,' you understand.

Then there's the fact that Obama's Education Secretary, Arne Duncan, is directly or indirectly tied to a program in Broward County which is currently under scrutiny related to the Parkland shooter.

Oh, yeah. Chicago CRED, the organization he's the 'managing partner' of? It's an anti-gun violence program.



In some respects, it sounds like an "adult version" of the Broward County program; i.e., intercession of 'high risk' adults instead of 'children/teens,' where the adults are trained, given life coaching and transitional jobs, then placement in permanent positions.

Given that several states consider this a crime and have jailed parents for truancy of their children, I fully support the idea.
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... IF she only, had a brainnnnn...
Uh... Arne Duncan, Obama's Education Secretary, is a "he."



Betsy DeVos is Trump's Education Secretary.



But, your point is taken.
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I support this social Darwinism experiment. Let the libs fade into their safe spaces and let real Americans show them how it's done.
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You have to wonder if there are plans to do what the Florida Legislature did in terms of eliminating test requirements and lowering credits required to graduate so the kids don't 'get hurt,' you understand.
The regents of the University of California did just that for all UC students protesting Vietnam.. They gave them a one quarter moratorium.. allowing them to boycott classes without any penalty... And this was when Reagan was governor!!! I was at UC Irvine at the time... the most conservative of the 9 campuses then and I thought that was ridiculously unfair to us students who took our education seriously.
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He could have something there !
I mean even a democrat can figure if there are no schools there are no school shootings !
Yeah shut the indoctrination camps down until educators learn decent human values and pass them on to students!
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So she works for a firm that is looking to curb shootings in Chicago. How's that working out? Obviously her ideas are worthless.
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So she works for a firm that is looking to curb shootings in Chicago. How's that working out? Obviously her ideas are worthless.
Arne Duncan is NOT yet a she,although I thankfully cannot prove it .
President Trumps sec of education the lovely Betsy de Voss is thankfully 100 % PRO RIGHTS and pro education. ( for parents and students)
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So following through on Arne's brilliant idea - The kids stay home, the public teachers then are forced to go on furlough with no pay, the parents that can afford it then enroll there kids in private schools and we have a do-over. Great idea.
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Duncan found his post ed secretary hustle...

https://www.chicagocred.org/about-us/
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President Trumps sec of education the lovely Betsy de Voss is thankfully 100 % PRO RIGHTS and pro education. ( for parents and students)
"the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject"
... nor has she ever worked at a school.
"none of Betsy and Rick DeVos’ four children attended public schools"

oh yeah... really qualified.

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"the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject"

oh yeah... really qualified.
you'd rather have her brainwashed by other lefty union professors before she's "qualified"?
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you'd rather have her brainwashed by other lefty union professors before she's "qualified"?
as an undergrad engineer i could only take 13 electives total and i signed up for Edu 101 to fill one of those reqs. pretty sure i picked up information about our educational system, structure and funding i probably wouldn't have overheard from watercooler conversation... and that was from a 3 credit course, not a 4-8 year education. so yes, if i had kids or if i were a kid, i'd be very concerned that the person in charge of America's future is unqualified to hold that position. sadly, the entire cabinet seems to be a testbed for OJT.
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Two days with the kids at home and parents would be over this idea.

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"the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject"
... nor has she ever worked at a school.
"none of Betsy and Rick DeVos’ four children attended public schools"

oh yeah... really qualified.
She knew enough to know that public schools suck.



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as an undergrad engineer i could only take 13 electives total and i signed up for Edu 101 to fill one of those reqs. pretty sure i picked up information about our educational system, structure and funding i probably wouldn't have overheard from watercooler conversation... and that was from a 3 credit course, not a 4-8 year education. so yes, if i had kids or if i were a kid, i'd be very concerned that the person in charge of America's future is unqualified to hold that position. sadly, the entire cabinet seems to be a testbed for OJT.
Perhaps so. Yet the earth has not tilted off it's axis, the sun still rises, and things are in general much better than they were.

Maybe they don't know what they are supposed to do, and just do what appears to be right.

Having said that, the federal Dept. of Education should be abolished. It simply isn't needed. There are already local, county, and state offices of education, and of course parents themselves.
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his program is doing wonders for chicago

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Arne and other mensas set the stage for Parkland and, perhaps, for Santa Fe TX. At minimums.

He is unfit to comment on this subject in any manner.
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"the first Secretary of Education to take office without a degree in the subject"
... nor has she ever worked at a school.
"none of Betsy and Rick DeVos’ four children attended public schools"

oh yeah... really qualified.
Absolutely qualified if you believe in school choice where schools are chosen with the students best interest first !

Of course the democrat teacher union that has so excelled in running indoctrination camps for globalist ideology's and politically correct goofball theorys is 100 % opposed to school reform where children have a chance to really learn.

Betsy de Voss wants the same education for children in failing schools to get the same education her children got!
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/04/...ove-education/

BTW the highly educated public school advocate just called for government schools to be shut down unless free people are disarmed and this guy graduated from college! hahahahaha
How qualified is the very typical educator Arnie Duncan !!!!
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Larry Elder KABC 790 said Chicago had over 700 murders and people use certain routes to avoid Gang controlled areas.

He then said said" Arne Duncan thinks kids are safer on those streets than in a classroom" !

Is arne Duncan a highly college educated dimwit ? Yeah no brainer !
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Larry Elder KABC 790 said Chicago had over 700 murders and people use certain routes to avoid Gang controlled areas.

He then said said" Arne Duncan thinks kids are safer on those streets than in a classroom" !

Is arne Duncan a highly college educated dimwit ? Yeah no brainer !
700 per day? month? year? ever?
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This proves it's all staged to achieve their goals, a few dead kids is worth it to the Leftist anti-Americans.
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This proves it's all staged to achieve their goals, a few dead kids is worth it to the Leftist anti-Americans.
Are you suggesting their response is staged or that they sent in the killer?

I do agree that it seems they really don't seem to give a crap about the dead kids.
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700 per day? month? year? ever?
Sorry last figures were 760 murders for the year. Of course not every beating,shooting or stabbing victim dies.
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You heard it, government schools are hazardous to your children.
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Emails retrieved through a FOIA request reveal that before the Newtown victims were laid to rest, former U.S Department of Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Chicago’s Mayor Rahm Emanuel strategized on how to exploit the tragedy politically.

http://thebaltimorepost.com/former-w...ool-tragedies/

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During a roughly 10 minute period, the native Chicagoans exchanged seven messages two days following the massacre, in which Mayor Emanuel, who had previously served as President Barrack Obama’s chief of staff, advised Secretary Duncan on what position he should take on the Sandy Hook shootings.

At 6:57PM EST on December 16, 2012, Duncan wrote to Emanuel in a message titled “CT shootings.”

Duncan asked the Chicago mayor, “What are your thoughts?”

Five minutes later, Emanuel responded, “Go for a vote this week before it fades. Tap peoples emotion. Make it simple assault weapons.”

Duncan responded immediately, “Yup- thanks.”

It was two days after the shooting, when Emanuel and Duncan collaborated on a message.

“When I did brady bill and assault weapons for clinton we always made it simple. Criminals or war weapons,” Emanuel said in the email to Duncan.

“Gun show loophole?” Duncan responded. “Database? Cop-killer bullets? Too complicated?” he said.

“Cop killer maybe,” Emanuel responded. “The other no.”

The exchange ended in under 11 minutes when Duncan concluded with, “Got it.”

But, according to the Sandy Hook crime report, just two days before, and also in under 11 minutes, 20 first-grade pupils and six adults lost their lives. Yet the former education secretary and the sitting mayor of Chicago were already discussing strategy.
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You know what the liberals always say, dont let a good tragedy go to waste.

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how about going with charter schools where parents can have some control. The government sponsored K through 12 program for home schooling is just another indoctrination school from what i have seen and regular government schools are failing and rewriting history while making our kids dumber and dumber. My granddaughter is learning in the eighth grade what I learned in fifth grade. i do not know any parent who is happy with the schools in california.
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Are you suggesting their response is staged or that they sent in the killer?

I do agree that it seems they really don't seem to give a crap about the dead kids.
One way or another both.
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Emails retrieved through a FOIA request reveal that before the Newtown victims were laid to rest, former U.S Department of Education Secretary Arne Duncan and Chicago’s Mayor Rahm Emanuel strategized on how to exploit the tragedy politically.
Did you mean Sandy Hook?.....
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Did you mean Sandy Hook?
Same thing. Sandy Hook elementary was in Newtown, Conneticut.
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He's doubled down, calling for a couple of days in September...

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Duncan said on Tuesday that students "wouldn't have to stay out (of schools) forever" if a boycott were to take place.

"What I've said is if we looked at this early in September," he said, "did it for a couple of days, see whether lawmakers react or not, and either way we go to the voting booth in November."
To my way of reading it, he's openly admitting it's a ploy to tick people off at Republicans immediately prior to the election. He knows that roughly a month is not sufficient time to "see whether lawmakers react or not." Likewise, by doing it at the start of the school year, it won't disrupt much in terms of academics/testing/graduation, the time lost could be easily made up with fewer 'snow/rain' days, and could actually be 'planned for' in the schedules.

It's not so much indicative of the 'brilliance' he cites as it is the potential cooperativeness of academia in attempting to infringe on the 2nd Amendment.
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He's doubled down, calling for a couple of days in September...



To my way of reading it, he's openly admitting it's a ploy to tick people off at Republicans immediately prior to the election. He knows that roughly a month is not sufficient time to "see whether lawmakers react or not." Likewise, by doing it at the start of the school year, it won't disrupt much in terms of academics/testing/graduation, the time lost could be easily made up with fewer 'snow/rain' days, and could actually be 'planned for' in the schedules.

It's not so much indicative of the 'brilliance' he cites as it is the potential cooperativeness of academia in attempting to infringe on the 2nd Amendment.
All this nonsense would end if the GOP starts a voucher program. Regrettfully the govt school unions will destroy any such reform!
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I’m ok with that. All the dumb people with dumb gun control agenda can stay out of schools. Less govt money wasted on them. They can stay dumb if they so choose
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Ya, parents are going to pull kids out of school. Gonna pay for a babysitter or have the kids home all day? She must not have kids. Schools will fight that sht, they lose federal money for every kid that does not show up for school each day.
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Only a true proponent of education would advocate ditching school. DOH!
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If you are stoned and stupid you vote Democrat....it's just his way to replenish the shallow Democrat cesspool.
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If you are stoned and stupid you vote Democrat....it's just his way to replenish the shallow Democrat cesspool.
One can he perfectly sober and still be stupid enough to vote for Democrats. Those aren't mutually exclusive. But stupid is definitely a prerequisite.
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