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Old 10-25-2016, 6:55 AM
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As a Washington voter, I voted for Johnson even if it is meaningless because I can't support an unhinged misogynist and racist with a thin skin and zero skills other than "aggressive tweeting" for the President of the United States.

Good on your for trying, but what do you think is going to happen in California, which is way more diverse?
Team Hillary thanks you for your help comrade.
Your support will make possible the appointment of at least three pro gun control SCOTUS Judges over the next 4-8 years of HRC presidency.
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You can have the last word. You win, ok? Have fun with President Hillary. Thank you for screwing up the Second Amendment by supporting the orange charlatan.
Is "orange" some kind of code word for veiled racism? I substitute black for orange and get a glimpse into your soul.
No you have fun with President Hillary! We are still trying to get NRA endorsed Donald Trump elected.
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:26 AM
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I blame Trump supporters for driving the country into Hillary's arms.
In the end, it really doesn't matter who or what YOU blame. Because, in the end -- there is only going to be one of two candidates that will be appointing justices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Option "A" ----- Trump
Option "B" ----- Clinton

There is no Option "C".

The Supreme Court will determine the future of the Second Amendment and the actual meaning of the U.S. Constitution for generations to come. Maybe forever.

I honestly doubt that anyone will remember, or care, about who you blame for anything. But they might remember YOU and the other people who (for whatever reason they stated) wouldn't do what was necessary to help protect those Court appointments.

Note: I realize that I might be coming across pretty strong. But I have been fighting for the Second Amendment for almost three decades and this time I am really worried for the future of our nation and our freedoms.

It is time that we all understand that the enemy of "good" is "perfect." And even if you don't agree that Option "A" is "good," it is the only reasonable alternative to Option "B."

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Mr Payne, thank you for the message and the work in trying to get people in swing states out to vote. I'll look into helping out in that regard.

Much as I dislike Trump I hope that him winning will HOPEFULLY protect our Constitution.


That being said, here in CA, I will be voting johnson. I feel that CA is going dem even if every single person here voted for Trump. My hope is that enough of the popular vote being cast toward the libertarian party will get it to the 5% needed for federal funds.


And to all you ****wads here that think I should turn in my firearms, or don't deserve them, or that I'm against you or whatever bull**** you want to sling. GET ****ED, I don't want to step on your lives, I want you to be able to make whatever decision you want. But respect my right to do the same.
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Man, this thread went off the rails pretty quickly.

Did anyone other than me read the opening post? Are you guys really running out of places to pigfight over Trump?
Once again Mitch, your post hits home.

I find it disappointing that nobody even commented about the experience they had while making the calls in support of NRA's efforts for Trump and the future of the Second Amendment.

But, if I checked, I would bet that I can find posts where many of these same people posted criticism of NRA claiming that we didn't get involved enough in something-or-other that they cared about.

Hmmmmm. Disappointing.

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Old 10-25-2016, 10:36 AM
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Mr Payne, thank you for the message and the work in trying to get people in swing states out to vote. I'll look into helping out in that regard.

Much as I dislike Trump I hope that him winning will HOPEFULLY protect our Constitution.

Thank you for stepping up.

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12 calls and each went to voicemail.
Will continue calling at a different time during the evening. My calls were Sun about 1145am
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12 calls and each went to voicemail.
Will continue calling at a different time during the evening. My calls were Sun about 1145am

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[QUOTE=herccheif;19045250]Mr Payne, thank you for the message and the work in trying to get people in swing states out to vote. I'll look into helping out in that regard.

Much as I dislike Trump I hope that him winning will HOPEFULLY protect our Constitution.


That being said, here in CA, I will be voting johnson. I feel that CA is going dem even if every single person here voted for Trump. My hope is that enough of the popular vote being cast toward the libertarian party will get it to the 5% needed for federal funds.

What if those 5% would be enough to elect Trump?
Recall the polls always favor democrats! This time is no different.

Voting Johnson will be a vote you regret for a lifetime. I know because I elected Fienstein, by voting Richard Boodie.( Libertarian)

The NRA is effective because we have political power by being unified at election time.
You have read all the reasons to keep Hillary out. that is best done by voting Trump.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:00 PM
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I voted for Johnson. I hate Hillary. Guess you missed that part or chose to ignore it. It is a bit more than hurting someone's feelings. He has the impulse control of a 3 year old and can't stay off of Twitter. Moron with bad judgment.

I blame Trump supporters for driving the country into Hillary's arms. You folks are responsible for any attacks on the second amendment that might happen during Clinton's tenure. Not Johnson supporters. You picked an unelectable orange buffoon.
There is no Moral High Ground Here Bro, so have a nice hot cup of STFU and listen to these guys instead of acting like the church lady. "Aren't you Superior?"

The US is a TWO PARTY system of governance. Currently the Democrats and Republicans control it. Voting for ANY OTHER PARTY is as if you had voted for no one at all.

I am sorry you feel like you are making a deal with the devil either way but Voting for Tump is the ONLY WAY to vote AGAINST Hillary.

At Stake? Hillary intends to limit 2A rights nationally by executive order and appoint anti-gun liberal judges to the Supreme Court. The Long-Long list goes on including raising your taxes but anyway...

The only way to beat Hillary is to make sure the only other candidate who comes anywhere near defeating her. There is no second place, you have to help make the one candidate who is not Hillary and has a chance beat her. Trump needs to win in order for Hillary to lose.

NO other Candidate can possibly win, it is mathematically impossible.

But tell you what. You're Nickname is now Joe Biden, because all you have done is take your moral high ground double barrel shotgun out onto the balcony, and fire both your shots into the air for nothing. Meanwhile the Perp is still actively coming for you and so are the Cops now that you discharged your shots for nothing in the city limits.

You come in here calling people losers and you got nuthin. You wasted your chance. No one should listen to any advice you have. All you did is brandish, and you got nothing. You aren't even worth touting your NRA Life Member Patch. Heck most of us don't want to know you, and those who do would rather cross the street than look at you.

Buh Bye Dude. Er, Joe Biden.

As for everyone else, Better Vote Trump, because while he ain't what we'd prefer, he's all we have to beat Hillary. We have ONE JOB. Defend the 2nd. Go Trump.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:21 PM
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In the end, it really doesn't matter who or what YOU blame. Because, in the end -- there is only going to be one of two candidates that will be appointing justices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Option "A" ----- Trump
Option "B" ----- Clinton

There is no Option "C".

The Supreme Court will determine the future of the Second Amendment and the actual meaning of the U.S. Constitution for generations to come. Maybe forever.

I honestly doubt that anyone will remember, or care, about who you blame for anything. But they might remember YOU and the other people who (for whatever reason they stated) wouldn't do what was necessary to help protect those Court appointments.

Note: I realize that I might be coming across pretty strong. But I have been fighting for the Second Amendment for almost three decades and this time I am really worried for the future of our nation and our freedoms.

It is time that we all understand that the enemy of "good" is "perfect." And even if you don't agree that Option "A" is "good," it is the only reasonable alternative to Option "B."

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Paul, Californians on the whole are hard to teach civics, and I have tried. Many get it, just as many more vote Democrats because they want something Republicans won't offer them, but they sure like their guns too so they come here and complain and keep voting Democrat.

Democrats severely limit their rights but they still vote Democrat and gripe.
Only 1/3 of the signatures needed to overturn Jerry Brown's anti gun laws and that is a shame on California Gun owning residents. They want the earth fenced and a garden on the moon but too many refuse to do the heavy lifting. I guess they like enforced socialism rather than any hardship at all.

I respect what you are trying to do. The solution is longer than a one line sentence soundbite though, and that makes it hard for too many as well. They can't hang.

We have one issue. Defend the second. PERIOD It's buying time but that is all we have. If we don't then we disrespect every Vet who served. Yup, and that is not a generalization.

Trump's son, whom he loves is a competitive shooter and has his ear better than anyone could. We have an in IF he gets elected. I am not unaware of immorality, but how moral is losing the Second Amendment without a convention of the states or a real 2/3rds vote of Congress and the States to truly Ratify it? We have a candidate who unlawfully intends to ignore our country's laws and trample what she does not like under foot.

She is THE CHIEF reason our Forefathers provided for a "Well Regulated Militia" and some people want to throw inalienable rights all away because they don't like a personality. SMH...

Stay strong and on message Paul, and to all you guys who have it so figured out that you are not voting Trump. We never knew you anyway. You deserve the California you have, and the US you might just get. You threw yourselves under the bus. We don't need friends like that. Not Ever. No asterisks are required to call you out. You already did that yourself.
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You can have the last word. You win, ok? Have fun with President Hillary. Thank you for screwing up the Second Amendment by supporting the orange charlatan.
Vote for a third party candidate is a vote for whoever wins the election. If Hillary wins, you voted for her. That's just the mathematical reality of the "first past the post" voting system...
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Man, this thread went off the rails pretty quickly.

Did anyone other than me read the opening post? Are you guys really running out of places to pigfight over Trump?
No only you had the wisdom and skills to actually read what was requested and then blow off the entire concept about what the thread was requesting!
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I understand your reservations, but I urge you to read this article from a "Never Trumper" explaining why he will be voting for Trump: http://townhall.com/columnists/derek...trump-n2235899
Thanks for the article. It's a good one to share. Might help swing a few votes...
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In the end, it really doesn't matter who or what YOU blame. Because, in the end -- there is only going to be one of two candidates that will be appointing justices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Option "A" ----- Trump
Option "B" ----- Clinton

There is no Option "C".

The Supreme Court will determine the future of the Second Amendment and the actual meaning of the U.S. Constitution for generations to come. Maybe forever.

I honestly doubt that anyone will remember, or care, about who you blame for anything. But they might remember YOU and the other people who (for whatever reason they stated) wouldn't do what was necessary to help protect those Court appointments.

Note: I realize that I might be coming across pretty strong. But I have been fighting for the Second Amendment for almost three decades and this time I am really worried for the future of our nation and our freedoms.

It is time that we all understand that the enemy of "good" is "perfect." And even if you don't agree that Option "A" is "good," it is the only reasonable alternative to Option "B."

Paul
Bravo, Mr. Payne. This folks is literally the epitome of the issue. The only logical reason not to vote for Trump is if you think he will be worse than Hillary. NOBODY can guarantee that he will be. Of course, he might be, but based on his SCOTUS list (and her past), I seriously doubt it. We know she is a guarantee end of the Second Amendment, so what is the down side to going with Trump exactly?

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Thanks for the article. It's a good one to share. Might help swing a few votes...
You're welcome, please share everywhere. I have convinced people to go from Johnson to Trump with this article. Why? A protest vote against the media is more meaningful than one against those who chose Trump. Just imagine all the smug media types the day after the election if Trump wins. That alone is more than enough reason to vote for him.
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Trump's son, whom he loves is a competitive shooter and has his ear better than anyone could. We have an in IF he gets elected.


This interview was really good. Don't know why it didn't get more views.

Here's the short version:



Listening to Don Jr speak gives me some ease about voting for his dad. Remember that Don has a direct hotline to his father who will answer a call from him at anytime.

He could be like all the other Billioniare kids with the guns for me but not for thee elitist attitude, who decry civilian gun ownership all while having armed guards with machine guns at their disposal, but chooses to support 2A rights for all Americans instead.

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I was at a Trump rally in Everett, Washington on Tuesday Aug 30. I left after about 30 min. It was at the convention center. I know Everett well and I have family there. I am not a Democrat shill and I already voted for Johnson. I do not like or support Hillary. I am just a regular voter. I do not work in politics. The NRA endorsed Trump because he took over the GOP and they have no choice. I am a NRA Benefactor member. I upped my life membership after Sandy Hook.

Yet, I cannot vote for Trump. So I went with my conscience because I identify most closely with Johnson's platform. Attacking me isn't bringing votes to Trump.

Not sure how you are connecting me to the Democratic party.
So you're admitting to being a Democrat? because while Johnson is running under the Libertarian Party, most of his views and tendencies are aligned with the democratic party.

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I listened to the words that came out of Trump's big mouth.
ohhh just wait til the old Witch Killary opens her smiling horse mouth if she ever becomes President..
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I sincerely appreciate the vast majority of comments and thoughts that have gone into the responses to this thread.

And I never expected to find unanimous support from the people who read my words. But I don't shy away from supporting the NRA and the Second Amendment. Never have. Never will.

This support currently comes in the form of supporting Donald Trump for President.

My skin is thick enough to withstand criticism and other ideas and my shoulders are wide enough to carry my own load. If this were not the case, I would not post using my own name and list my own personal email address. I won't hide behind cutesy usernames that would mask my true identity and purpose. If I post something related to an NRA policy, program, or activity ---- you, the reader, deserve to know where it is coming from and why. If I post something that is my own opinion (and not that of the NRA), I will clearly state that too.

However, this morning I received an especially witless and intellectually vacant response to my post (via PM) that was filled with profanity and incoherent rambling.

This has convinced me that I must redouble my efforts to reach those gun owners who, with proper motivation, would engage in the battle and could help us to victory for the Second Amendment.

I AM MOTIVATED!!!!!

Thank you Mr. Fahlman.

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