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Old 06-14-2020, 2:23 PM
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The rifle was given to my Father by my Grandfather and was passed down to me, earlier than I wanted. Anyhow, the rifle serial puts this rifle at December of 1918. I've been trying to figure out if it was sold as a model 30, most likely. Although the barrel has a bit more wear on the front few inches which would mean to me that there was at one point the military stock. Someone smith'd in an old Marble rear sight and did away with the milspec leaf sight and front sight or maybe it was done by Remington (Model 30) but the ears are still intact and the leaf sight nut is still stuck in the ear/receiver. I would really like to restore the rifle into military configuration since there are just a few signs that it was "sporterized". The stock doesn't show signs of 100 year old age either. Any help on this would be appreciated, suggestions, opinions etc. I hate the rear sights and I don't want to cut it up any further.

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Awesome! Thank you!
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Others will be more concise. I'm no expert, more of an egg-spurt. But here's what I do know. It was NOT a Md-30. It began life as a 1917.

Frnt sight had the ears filed off and a different bead installed. It is MARTIALLY stamped with flaming bombs. Stock is cut down military. Md 30s didn't have sight ears on rear ring of receiver. Your 17 still has the stepped bottom metal [military]. Md 30s had flat bottom metal.

You can refurb it back to original mil spec. Hopefully the handguard would cover the dovetail from later sight install.

But it would be spendy and time consuming to source all the parts. Why not just shoot/enjoy it as Grandpa intended?

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I love the response. I do hope we get more. I have an affinity for milspec weapons. Even though it was my Grandfathers I hate that it was modified. That being said, returning it to its glory days would not be an inconvenience and in fact, in my opinion, would do a great justice for my father and the history of the rifle.
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I have a sporterized m17. Yours is much closer to stock than mine was as mine had its ears ground off and lyman diopter tapped into the side. You can find original stocks and most parts pretty easily on ebay. Is yours still cock on open or has it been converted to cock on close?
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Cock on close. Doesn't seem to bother me as I don't shoot matches.
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I have an Eddystone 1917 and just casual inspection indicates a lot of missing and/or damaged parts. I got parts for it from Numrich but I think they are now closed because of Covid. It would, in my opinion, be an expensive proposition even if you could get all the parts. The rear sight parts are missing, stock is cut down, upper band, lower band, new front sight and so forth.
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go to Numrich Gun Parts and ok up the schematic for the Model of 1917. You should be able to figure out the parts/cost to put it back together. parts that are not available from them maybe be gotten from Liberty Tree Collector. I’d work up some accurate, reduced rounds and enjoy it for what it is.
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...look up the schematic...
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Woodusmc-if you really want to put it back to original, get some field manuals. i guarantee the parts are out there somewhere. In the past, I had a P.38 WW 2 steel frame (the frame is the gun) and pulled together all the parts to make it functional. It took a while.
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I love the response. I do hope we get more. I have an affinity for milspec weapons. Even though it was my Grandfathers I hate that it was modified. That being said, returning it to its glory days would not be an inconvenience and in fact, in my opinion, would do a great justice for my father and the history of the rifle.
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Numrich should be open. I got some parts in early July that I had ordered 3 1/2 months before. I ordered my parts days before they had to shut down.
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They are nice weapons:





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Straight out of Wikipedia.
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I believe I have some sight parts for those rifles.I'll check and let you know if your interested.
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Old 08-15-2020, 11:45 AM
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And now the bayonet:



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Old 08-15-2020, 12:08 PM
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The M1917 rifle was 46.25 inches in length with a 26-inch barrel. The weapon also weighed about 9.18 pounds and had a magazine capacity of SIX rounds. It could be loaded with a standard 5 round stripper clip. There is a Danish Navy unit that does long range recon in cold weather and they still use the M1917 because of reliability.

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Old 08-15-2020, 12:24 PM
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Military spare parts are expensive.

The incorrect time period parts that fit are real expensive.
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Here’s a manual-FM 23-6

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More manuals:







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More info:

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FYI, the Mauser (K98k), the 1903 and the m1917 are controlled-feed actions BUT the extractors of the 1903 (and variants) and the M1917 have a different configuration from the later Mausers. They are slightly narrower at the front of the extractor than the rest of the extractor and they have a “snap-over” capability. Both FM 23-6 (M1917) and FM 23-10 (1903) indicate single loading where you insert the round in the chamber and close the bolt. Inserting rounds through the magazine would be smoother, of course, but there it is. Comments?

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Here are some photos of my 1917 Eddystone in 300 Ackley which is just an improved 300 H-H or improved 300 Weatherby.
Mine is cock on opening with the ears ground off and a Timney Tigger has been installed. The floorplates was heated up and pounded flat. The stock is a Richards Microfit at around $120.
The extractor on mine as you can see is huge. If you want to single feed it you grind it narrower.
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Woodusmc-Liberty Tree Collectors has a number of parts you may be interested in. They have a repro m1917 stock for $245. A P14 stock is not interchangeable. Look at Thea.com Vintage Gun parts. There are M1917 parts available.

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I don't think it was sold as a Rem. 30, the rear sight ears were not milled off and your rifle still has the original front sight barrel band modified. Your barrel has been dovetail cut for the open sight. If you were planning on a restoration you will find it very difficult to find a good replacement "Remington" barrel. The other parts can be found with enough patience time and money. What you have is a nice rifle, thanks for sharing.
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Here is mine that I restored back to its original military self. It was very much like yours when I started.

Since this thread I was lucky enough to find an original WWI pre-arsonal rework stock. Mine is a late 1917 serial and the barrel is dated early 1918.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1433647

Here is a link on eBay to Remington parts. The stock will be the hardest to find and when they do come up, they always bring a premium.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...ngton&_sacat=0
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Just to repeat what has already been said. It is a chopped down Model 1917 that has been modified to the point where it is going to be expensive to restore. I have restored many old military rifles and over the years I have come to realize that there is a point of no return where cost does not equal value. At that point the rifle in question becomes only useful as a shooter or a donor. That particular rifle is treading very close to the line as far as cost/benefit is concerned. Of all the parts you need, the stock is far and away going to be the most expensive. I see a complete set of M1917 wood currently on Ebay that is up to $305 with 20 bids and one day to go. IMO, if you are really serious about restoring that rifle I would be in there bidding on that one. Be prepared to spend around $400 (or more) for it.

Quite honestly, by the time you source a new front sight, rear sight assembly and associated hardware along with a stock, you are going to be just about at the point financially where you would be better off just buying a complete functional rifle. The only saving grace with yours is that the rear sight ears haven't been ground off and it hasn't been drilled for a scope. Once you put a handguard on it the holes for the aftermarket rear sight will disappear and no one would know it had ever been mounted.
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I'd add that sometimes an expensive restoration / unsporterizing project may be a money pit, but worth doing anyway for personal satisfaction. If you plan on keeping it in your collection, the effort will be remembered long after the money spent has come and gone.

When I came across a pristine phosphate BNZ 45 barreled action several years ago, it became a quest to rebuild it into a shootable rifle, as "correct" as I could get it. I am not even sure it was ever a complete rifle, as German factories often got picked over for guns / parts / medals / militaria when they were overrun.

It became apparent quickly that I would never be able to build it into a completely correct rifle, so I settled for any late war stamped / phosphate materials I could find. The bolt pieces were especially hard to find, but I was able to do it. I sourced a "Kriegsmodell" type stock that is probably a post war Czech, but it fit perfectly and looks very similar to the originals.

Once I had a complete rifle, I took it to the range within a few days. The rifle functioned and fed perfectly, and was just as accurate as my other 8mm milsurps, considering my very average rifle skills. In retrospect, I dumped a fair amount of cash but it was totally worth it.




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Bobby_Ricigliano-nice rifle. I’m partial to K98Ks myself. Just got rid of a BYF 44 matching numbers with a “sea bag cut” stock. Not wanting to fire the rifle with a damaged stock, I got a well-used Israeli Mauser stock as a shooting replacement. Cleaned it up and it worked quite well. What I’ve found over the years is that a little research goes a long way.

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Yep, duffle cuts are a strange thing. Sometimes post war hackery, sometimes legit. Sometimes nicely repaired, or sloppily glued. I have another K98 that is all matching except the stock and barrel bands. Bubba got to the stock and ruined it. The rifle now sits in a Yugo rework stock but at least I also have the butchered OG stock too.
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The K98k receiver/barrel form-factor goes across many models. Just to try it, I dropped the receiver/barrel of a Persian 98/29 into an Israeli Mauser stock. Worked (it fit)! Heavy and good off a bench. Little recoil. Standing offhand, the long barrel makes the combo nose-heavy.
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Offrdmania-ur redo of the Remington M1917 was very nicely done. The point is well made that with time and money, bubba’d guns can be put back into some semblance of original. Wipe it down with Ballistol and it’ll even smell like a WW1-ish battle rifle.

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It's rarely cost-effective to restore a C&R rifle in terms of "value," sure, but it's a pretty cost-effective hobby if you ENJOY doing it, which I do.
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There are parts out there for Pattern 14 and Pattern 17 rifles. Might even be a speed cock in that bag. For those that don't know what that is it converts the cock on closing to cock on opening. good luck with your project.

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