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Old 02-05-2009, 10:12 AM
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-- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had surgery today for pancreatic cancer.



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Old 02-05-2009, 10:15 AM
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:17 AM
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Should buff out. Even if she steps down Im sure the replacement would be anti-gun..no doubt about it.
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:17 AM
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Geez pancreatic cancer is nearly always a death sentence. A very very poor prognosis is usually the norm.

On the other hand...

She is very Liberal , too bad she hasnt ended her suffering sooner so that she would find peace and that President Bush could have had a chance to nominate a suitable Conservative replacement.

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Old 02-05-2009, 10:23 AM
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Yeah, i'm not expecting a great replacement, however, I am curious to see how anti-gun a replacement would be.
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:31 AM
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She is about as anti gun as they come, she is what Obama wants in a Chief Justice.
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I wish her a speedy recovery.
This is one you don't recover from.

Looks like Obama will get to appoint a Justice....I hope he doesn't "screw up" as he admitted with something as simple as the HHS appointment.
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:38 AM
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That sucks.
Regardless of her politics this is not something I would wish on her, I hope she can beat this.




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I would be more concerned that "any" Justice be more of a Constitutionalist than one who prefers to "interpret the Constitution" by today's meaning, whatever that is...

I wish the Justice well, pancreatic cancer caught in the early stages (as this was) is NOT the death sentence that it once was. Note that Apple's Steve Jobs had the same cancer, with surgery, in 2004. He's alive and kicking, albeit with other, possibly unrelated, medical issues today.
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I hope Obama checks their tax payment history before he appoints a new justice..................
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That sucks.
Regardless of her politics this is not something I would wish on her, I hope she can beat this.
Here, here, Hope she recovers. Even though I don't agree with her on a lot of things.
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I hope she does as well as she can, given the circumstances. My guess is she'll step down right now to fight it and before it gets any worse. That's pretty rough on her family, I wish them the best in such circumstances.


I guess since she was almost the worst we could get, a replacement could be an improvement. What a lousy time to have to do it.
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Bill's available.

Can someone who has been disbarred - or whatever the AR bar did to him after the "Lowinsky affair" affair - be appointed?

Just goes to show how fragile our majority hold is - if Kennedy went ill that would be quite the concern.
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Geez pancreatic cancer is nearly always a death sentence. A very very poor prognosis is usually the norm.
Yeah, pancreatic normally means < 12 months. It generally is not treatable.

I don't wish anyone to die of cancer, but at least it didn't happen to "our" judges. Obama couldn't appoint anyone more liberal than her so it's not going to change much. Maye he can appoint someone who is more neutral, to try to gain more support in congress.
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I believe that anyone can be appointed to the Supreme Court, regardless of legal experience or standing.


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Can someone who has been disbarred - or whatever the AR bar did to him after the "Lowinsky affair" affair - be appointed?

Just goes to show how fragile our majority hold is - if Kennedy went ill that would be quite the concern.
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Bill's available.

Can someone who has been disbarred - or whatever the AR bar did to him after the "Lowinsky affair" affair - be appointed?

Don't know about the disbarrment thing. It probably doesn't matter. And if he hasn't paid his taxes, he'll be a shoo in.

Seriously though, I wish Justice Ginsberg all the best. She isn't a particular friend of gun owners, but I have no doubt that she would replaced with someone even less friendly.
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I believe that anyone can be appointed to the Supreme Court, regardless of legal experience or standing.
Didn't Bush try to appoint his secretary or something?



I kid, I kid the former President!

Anyway, as was mentioned previously, Justice Ginsburg is about as left as they come. Maybe we'll get someone a bit closer to center, never know. Then again, I have a feeling that Obama could appoint The Nuge and people here would still find something to gripe about
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"That sucks.
Regardless of her politics this is not something I would wish on her, I hope she can beat this."
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I have a feeling that Obama could appoint The Nuge and people here would still find something to gripe about
Like every ruling ending "Wango Tango"?

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Damn I wish her well, and pray for her recovery, and a less adversarial replacement.
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My worries are Clarence Thomas vs. cheeseburgers.

(Similar things might be said about Scalia, perhaps at a reduced level.)

Justice Thomas has 'filled out' more than a bit since his appointment, and black Americans have shown increased risk of cardiopulmonary illness & diabetes [regardless of income/social status.]
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I hope she lives and stays on the Court. I don't want ANY SCOTUS appointments made by Obama. Period.
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And I've been worried about Roberts ever since his seizure at his boat dock. That clearly could have ended much more badly.
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Nasty Nasty deal, I wish her well.
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I hope Obama checks their tax payment history before he appoints a new justice..................
I was going to say the same thing. The next person will probably owe about a quarter million in back taxes. Honest mistake right?
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I was going to say the same thing. The next person will probably owe about a quarter million in back taxes. Honest mistake right?
At least they are not driving drunk off bridges.... <shrugs> Wait.... some of them do....
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I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone, even if they can't read and comprehend simple english like the Constitution is written with. It's an ugly disease. I wish her all the luck in her upcoming ordeal.
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This got me scared, so I ran some numbers on the chances that one of "ours" will pass.

The results are not good http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=151485
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I hope she makes the right decisions to have as much quality time with friends and family as possible.

As for a BO appointment, it will just be the first of three probable ones he will make.
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Bill's available.

Can someone who has been disbarred - or whatever the AR bar did to him after the "Lowinsky [sic] affair" affair - be appointed?

Just goes to show how fragile our majority hold is - if Kennedy went ill that would be quite the concern.
What does it matter? We have been shown that the rules don't apply; they just bend the rules as needed. Look at Clinton getting the Secretary of State job. The rule said that you can't be secretary of state if you voted for a pay raise for that job. It didn't say that you could take the pay cut to get around the rule.

But then again, the law says readily detatchable and nothing about readily attatchable. Haaa haaa haaa haaa haaa
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I wish Justice Ginsburg a safe recovery. If she were to retire, my suggestion to all the calgunnites and the NRA would be to push for Janice Rogers Brown.
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I wish Justice Ginsburg a safe recovery. If she were to retire, my suggestion to all the calgunnites and the NRA would be to push for Janice Rogers Brown.
Just looked her up on Wikipedia. She'd be a good candidate, but not necessarily super pro 2A:

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Of course, that was before Heller so I guess all bets are off.
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Just looked her up on Wikipedia. She'd be a good candidate, but not necessarily super pro 2A:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rogers_Brown


Of course, that was before Heller so I guess all bets are off.
Read this.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...t=janice+brown
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Any chance we can ask Obama to nominate Ohsmily to replace her when the time comes?
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Just looked her up on Wikipedia. She'd be a good candidate, but not necessarily super pro 2A:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rogers_Brown


Of course, that was before Heller so I guess all bets are off.

Janice Rogers Brown was the driving force of Harrott.

She couldn't be any more pro-2A in other rulings simply because of precendent, stare decisis, etc.

But there's no way in hell Obama would nominate her.
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But there's no way in hell Obama would nominate her.
No kidding. There was some talk that Bush might nominate her back when O'Connor retired, but the general consensus seemed to be that she'd be filibustered by the Democrats and wasn't conservative enough for the Right to rally behind. She's far too much of a proponent of individual rights for the zealots on either side to like much.
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