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Old 10-08-2018, 2:55 PM
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I’m not worried.......40 cal will be in abundance.
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Iím not worried.......40 cal will be in abundance.
I have 1500 rounds of .40 cal, and I don't have a .40 hand gun, so I would use it as currency when the time comes.
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Old 10-09-2018, 6:14 AM
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While I do agree with some posters that the idea of fighting off hordes in a zombie apocalypse is unlikely, I do consider that in the event of a massive West Coast earthquake(some experts fear that if the Cascadia Fault goes off it could make the San Andreas Fault go off too since they are connected), or a huge Carrington Event(the Earth almost was hit by a similar one in 2012), and all power is lost and movement stopped, that anything is a possibility.
Trying to bug in may not be a realistic option for longer than 30 days, if there is no power to run the water pumps. Where I live is essentially a desert(Bakersfield, a river bed runs through it.), and would be almost uninhabitable during the summer months.
So, the idea of having to move, and leaving behind large stockpiles of ammo may be be realistic. Which then leads to the idea of finding at least some ammunition in certain scenarios.
So, this idea is not as far fetched as some would imagine.

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Old 10-09-2018, 9:14 AM
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While I do agree with some posters that the idea of fighting off hordes in a zombie apocalypse is unlikely, I do consider that in the event of a massive West Coast earthquake(some experts fear that if the Cascadia Fault goes off it could make the San Andreas Fault go off too since they are connected), or a huge Carrington Event(the Earth almost was hit by a similar one in 2012), and all power is lost and movement stopped, that anything is a possibility.
Trying to bug in may not be a realistic option for longer than 30 days, if there is no power to run the water pumps. Where I live is essentially a desert(Bakersfield, a river bed runs through it.), and would be almost uninhabitable during the summer months.
So, the idea of having to move, and leaving behind large stockpiles of ammo may be be realistic. Which then leads to the idea of finding at least some ammunition in certain scenarios.
So, this idea is not as far fetched as some would imagine.
Moving what would conservatively be 150lbs per person will not be a easy feat. Perhaps a thread dedicated to bugging out on foot AND being able to take your gear. I don't know many people that could shoulder 150lbs and move very far with it, let alone getting from Bakersfield to the coast (or wherever you intend to get to).

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One idea for transporting heavier loads is using a bicycle. Not to ride, but to put on the bike so that the bike carries the weight. Then one walks alongside pushing the bike. A bicycle has low rolling resistance and can carry considerable weight. The trick is to balance it. Though one is pretty much limited to roads if doing this.
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One idea for transporting heavier loads is using a bicycle. Not to ride, but to put on the bike so that the bike carries the weight. Then one walks alongside pushing the bike. A bicycle has low rolling resistance and can carry considerable weight. The trick is to balance it. Though one is pretty much limited to roads if doing this.
Heck yeah
Read about how the Viet Minh moved everything with bicycles and they didn't need roads to do it
Look up the siege of Dien Bien Phu
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Old 10-10-2018, 6:20 AM
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Read about how the Viet Minh moved everything with bicycles and they didn't need roads to do it
Look up the siege of Dien Bien Phu
Nobody here is a tough as charlie was, not even close.
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I have 1500 rounds of .40 cal, and I don't have a .40 hand gun, so I would use it as currency when the time comes.
Iíll just hit up the Walmarts after the hordes have raided them. There will be boxes and boxes of untouched.40 cal just like during the Obama Administration.
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Old 10-13-2018, 2:34 PM
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Iíll just hit up the Walmarts after the hordes have raided them. There will be boxes and boxes of untouched.40 cal just like during the Obama Administration.
why were they raiding? i went to Walmart this morning and they were fully stock with everything.
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I have 1500 rounds of .40 cal, and I don't have a .40 hand gun, so I would use it as currency when the time comes.
So arming your competition.
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Consider this happening today.

Right now FEMA is dealing with the effects of two hurricanes in the southeast. So we have a massive 8.0 quake in the greater Los Angeles area. Electricity goes down. Water lines are ruptured as are natural gas lines. Most roads into the Los Angeles basin are blocked due to downed bridges or ruptured roadways. Airport runways are closed. Grocery stores are closed since they do not have electricity but they are looted by people needing food. Nothing is left on the shelves. Bottled water was gone in hours. You can't go to the bank and get cash. Even if you have some cash, what are you going to spend it on?

FEMA will be late to the party and due to being so busy on the other side of the nation it will be a small response at first. In fact, many of our local first responders are currently in other parts of the nation.

My estimate is you better be ready to live on what you have for two weeks.

What about people who want to come take your food and water? During the riots following the Rodney King decison the business that were not looted were those protected by owners/employees/families with their own firearms. Generally a few warning shots was all it took. I certainly hope it never comes to the point that I have to go beyond that. What calibers you use of of little consequence. Many people would stop after taking a .22LR. I won't be headed into full combat situations. I don't know that I will need to find ammo for a few years.

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Let's get real people. Say you have 1k for your rifle and 1k for your pistol. It is more that you can carry. If you are in a static position you will need 20+ people to defend and get through the challenges of the day. Say they all have 1k for each of their weapons systems.
Now think about the realities of TEOTWAWKI. Everyone have a 10 year supply of their necessary meds? Figure even if you're all healthy 1/4 of your group will have medical issues and be dead or unable to function, then adding to your burden. How about clean water, California is a coastal desert.
The list goes on, but I am saying that people have 10k of 5.56 and no medical training and oh and by the way they need blood pressure meds and have a 1 month supply... Medical training, etc will get you through the day- they'll be plenty of dead people laying around with guns and ammo...
THIS. In a true TEOTWAWKI, everybody gonna die. Unless you're young, healthy and need no medications, you're DEAD. END OF STORY.
Live in a city? You're dead.
Live close to a city? You're dead.
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Old 10-15-2018, 7:42 PM
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THIS. In a true TEOTWAWKI, everybody gonna die. Unless you're young, healthy and need no medications, you're DEAD. END OF STORY.
Live in a city? You're dead.
Live close to a city? You're dead.
I've already resigned myself to the fact that I'd be dead within 2 weeks. My question to myself now is why do I still stockpile, haha.
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Nobody here is a tough as charlie was, not even close.
You'd be surprised at what people can do. Many will fold but many others will work through.
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So arming your competition.
competition of what? survival? I see it as building commerce.
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I've already resigned myself to the fact that I'd be dead within 2 weeks. My question to myself now is why do I still stockpile, haha.
I'm with you.

About this time last year my wife and kids went to stay in Santa Monica to escape the smoke from the fires and I stayed home. It was dark, couldn't breath outside, barely breath inside, power and communication were out, no food trucks, life sucked! The water was still running, though!

If SHTF was a long term version of that with no water, I honestly wouldn't want to see how much I would suffer.

Stock pile what you want but there's a point at which I think we'd all just welcome the next life and leave the post SHTF world behind!

My place still doesn't have the spider webs like it used to. All those little insects died and have yet to come back!
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Worry about water and medical training.
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how f'd up is the world that you've managed to shoot up all of your ammo? Either you really like suppressing fire, or you have survived hundreds of armed assaults. Or your zombie apocalypse plan is to be an assaulter, and you go around rampaging taking what you want. If you are doing that much shooting, odds are significantly against you living long enough to worry about an ammo shortage.
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OP, sure. the stores had oddball ammo, but the popular sizes were gone during the last ammo scare. Does not hurt. Happens almost overnight, then you are out of biz if you can't get ammo.
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In general they loose their potency. Things will be hot and at times wet. Think no air conditioning. I predict a lot of skinny corpses laying on crates of 5.56...
"FORT DETRICK, MD – Far from expiring in the one to five years stated on their labels, many prescription medications may retain their full potency for 10, 20, even 40 years.

That was underscored in a research letter recently published online in the Archives of Internal Medicine by Lee Cantrell, PharmD, of the California Poison Control System and colleagues. The group tested eight-decades-old prescription medications unearthed in a retail pharmacy and found that 12 of the 14, or 86%, of the compounds tested in the drugs retained at least 90% of their potency 28 to 40 years after their expiration dates."
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Reloading equipment with a few LBS of rifle and pistol powder COULD last a long time in .223, 9mm, .38 SPL, .357 Magnum, and .25ACP, if you have projectiles and primers too. 30-50% the cost for lead to plated ammo this way, and they shoot better than I do... one way to stack 'em deeper, AND cheaper, in the long run.

Lee Load All II, or a MEC is my next purchase for 12 gauge too, but have to stock up on 22lr, and full hulls right now...

Was there a shortage a few years ago? I didn't really feel it... but I had a LOT of range lanes to myself and my family.
Hell I got some of the last new Ruger MK III's sold in the state, as nobody else wanted them, as they couldn't find ammo for them, so they were sitting there staring at me and the lady during tax refund season a few years back...

I DID however notice that Berry's 100gr .380 (.355-.356") projectiles work okay in 9mm cases (.355-.356").
I happened across 3 bags of 100 85gr Gold Dot .380 projectiles for about $9.xy/bag, which would be loaded HOT in 9mm.

The Road's lack of loaded cartridges in the house wouldn't be an issue in many of our cases from this sub-forum...

Invest in at least a single stage press people, and stack-stack-stack components, not to mention you can offset the background-check-fees come next year, for at least a little while.
No need to give Jerry Brown even more money to build a failed high-speed-rail you won't even use.
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Old 11-20-2018, 11:05 PM
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Stock up on ammo for every gun you own. Look at it this way, when's the last time the price of ammo went down significantly? Even if no major disaster occurs, it's cheaper to buy in bulk, lasts a long time, and it's cheap compared to what the prices will be next year.

It's also a good idea to produce something people will want/need, like honey, or marijuana, or sun dried tomatoes, or eggs, etc. Most of these things it takes minimal additional effort to produce twice as much as what you need yourself as it does to produce just what you need. When times are good you can fill your shelves and expand production, if things ever get bad you can trade for things you need - including ammo if you run low.
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Look at it this way, when's the last time the price of ammo went down significantly?
After the end of each panic buying episode. Having bought ammo for over 30 years, I now know that ammo prices generally increase over time. But there are times when ammo prices spike -- and times when ammo prices drop off after the spike.

How much was .223 and .22LR selling for during the Obummer price spikes a few years back? How much are they selling for now?
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After the end of each panic buying episode. Having bought ammo for over 30 years, I now know that ammo prices generally increase over time. But there are times when ammo prices spike -- and times when ammo prices drop off after the spike.

How much was .223 and .22LR selling for during the Obummer price spikes a few years back? How much are they selling for now?
True, I concede, like any commodity there are fluctuations. That's all the more reason to buy when the price is low/reasonable - that way you never run out when there's a spike.
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