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Old 05-16-2019, 11:36 AM
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Default Favorite 30-30 load with cast or jacketed bullets.

I will be loading up some 30-30 here in the next week. I have a Lyman 311410 mold with load data. Only paid $20.00 for the mold, so will see how it does. Couldn’t pass it up for $20.









I have IMR-3031 powder to load with these cast bullets. They will be powder coated and sized to .311 for a Glenfield 30A with Microgroove barrel (same as Marlin 336). I have read on Castboolits site that it should be sized to .310 to .311 for Microgroove barrels.

This Lyman 311410 mold should drop a 130 grain bullet.

Anyone else have any favorite plinking or hunting loads?


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For jacketed: 170gr Hornady, 34.0gr Win 748, CCI primer and Winchester cases.
150gr Rem Core-Lok. Everything else the same.
150gr Barnes TSX: 32.0gr Win 748. Same primer and cases.^^
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25 gr of IMR 3031.

That's my favorite and most accurate load in my 1954 Marlin 336RC. It has a microgroove barrel. I gas check and size a 150 gr bullet to .311".

I have never chronoed it but with Skinner peep sights I can reliably hit a clay pigeon out to 80-90 yards consistently.

The accuracy is still there at longer distances but my old eyes are failing.

I have moved to optics on some of my rifles but my lever guns still have irons.

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25 gr of IMR 3031.

That's my favorite and most accurate load in my 1954 Marlin 336RC. It has a microgroove barrel. I gas check and size a 150 gr bullet to .311".

I have never chronoed it but with Skinner peep sights I can reliably hit a clay pigeon out to 80-90 yards consistently.

The accuracy is still there at longer distances but my old eyes are failing.

I have moved to optics on some of my rifles but my lever guns still have irons.

Best of luck.


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Thanks. I just picked up a Lyman 311466 152 grain mold and will get some gas checks.

Your using the load data marked in green...?






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Old 05-16-2019, 2:28 PM
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Also picked up a Lyman 311291 mold with gas checks that should drop a 170 grain bullet. Will try powder coating these too. The load data is highlighted in yellow...






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I only shoot mouse fart loads. 110gr cast and 5gr of 700x

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30 grains of H4895 and a 110 grain jacketed .30 caliber carbine bullet knocks down turkeys, pigs and chickens with fine accuracy and light recoil.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there any accurate .30-30 factory ammo available? I shot Remington less recoil .30-30 and was all over the paper at 50 yds and I'm not a bad shot. Then I read that .30-30's are ammunition picky - you have to find the right load for your barrel.

I have a Winchester 1971 NRA commemorative rifle (not carbine) and would like to shoot it.
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To McGuiver,

Yes, that is the load data that I am using. I also use the same charge with a 173 gr version of the famous 311041.

I wish you luck with the Lyman molds. I have never had a Lyman 30 cal mold that would cast large enough for me to size to .311".

I don't hunt any more. I just blast away at steel swingers or clay pigeons at various distances. So I started loading down ammo from max to make my range sessions more enjoyable.

But judging by the way this load swings a steel plate at 75 yards I would not hesitate to use it on deer, coyote, maybe even a hog.

This summer I want to dig out my chronograph. I have several loads that I am curious about.

To Bumslie,

I also like mouse fart loads in the 30-30. I have the 311041 in a plainbase version. I load it over 7 gr of Bullseye. Lot's of fun.


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Old 05-17-2019, 12:24 AM
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Yes, that is the load data that I am using. I also use the same charge with a 173 gr version of the famous 311041.

I wish you luck with the Lyman molds. I have never had a Lyman 30 cal mold that would cast large enough for me to size to .311".

I don't hunt any more. I just blast away at steel swingers or clay pigeons at various distances. So I started loading down ammo from max to make my range sessions more enjoyable.

But judging by the way this load swings a steel plate at 75 yards I would not hesitate to use it on deer, coyote, maybe even a hog.

This summer I want to dig out my chronograph. I have several loads that I am curious about.

To Bumslie,

I also like mouse fart loads in the 30-30. I have the 311041 in a plainbase version. I load it over 7 gr of Bullseye. Lot's of fun.


Steve in N CA


Thanks for the info...

If needs be I will cast some sample bullets, and then lap in the molds to be larger than .311...

Lots of hard work...

I used to machine and lap molds of all types. These would be the smallest I will work with. Not afraid to rework molds.

I’m excited to get these together for my 30-30. I will be using a Magneto-speed chrono to test my loads.

Thanks everyone for all your special loads.




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My personal favorite, 5.6 grains Red Dot under an uncoated MBC 165 RNFP.

Shoots at 1050 fps, is quiet, has the energy of a .38 special. I might take it out for rabbits this year (out of state).
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there any accurate .30-30 factory ammo available? .
The Remington ammo in the green/yellow box shot well in my circa 1951 '94.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there any accurate .30-30 factory ammo available? I shot Remington less recoil .30-30 and was all over the paper at 50 yds and I'm not a bad shot. Then I read that .30-30's are ammunition picky - you have to find the right load for your barrel.

I have a Winchester 1971 NRA commemorative rifle (not carbine) and would like to shoot it.
I have a Marlin 30AS and the most accurate factory ammo in my rifle is the standard Federal 150 grain soft point. 1" or under at 100 yds.
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Don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there any accurate .30-30 factory ammo available? I shot Remington less recoil .30-30 and was all over the paper at 50 yds and I'm not a bad shot. Then I read that .30-30's are ammunition picky - you have to find the right load for your barrel.

I have a Winchester 1971 NRA commemorative rifle (not carbine) and would like to shoot it.
In factory ammo, my '70's Winchester 94 shot the Hornady 160 grain LeverEvolution ammo the best. It was very accurate and powerful.
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Perfect. thanks for these recommends....
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I've been using 17.5 gr of H4895 with SNS casting 158 gr coated RNFP, no GC. COAL of 2.485". Kinda dirty but they shoot well.
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Just popping in here to tag this thread, as I'm going to have to load a bunch of cast and coated 30-30 this summer, and will need the info.
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Spyder, you using that 30-30 for Ca hunting? If so, I'll send you a load via PM.


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Got out to West End Gun Club today to shoot. The Lyman mold #311291 was dropping heavy @ 184.5 grains. This is supposed to be a 170 grain bullet mold. Diameter was about 0.312” from the mold. I powder costed with dark blue TGIC free powder and put a Gator gas check on it. After powder coating they were 0.314”. Also had one pink powder coated bullet too. I sized them to 0.309” diameter and they seemed very accurate at 100 yards.

This is the powder coating I was using.

https://www.thepowdercoatstore.com/c...ee-powder-coat









The complete bullet, powder coat and gas check ended up at 190 grains. A little heavy for 30-30 but they hit the steel (AR-500) plates hard. I had the 190 grain up to about 1700-1800 FPS.

***Caution- This is my own load data near or at Max. Based off of 303 Savage cartridge similar load data.***

Loaded 25 up with 28.2 grains of IMR-3031.

Loaded another 25 with 21 grains of IMR-4227.

The 3031 load had more thump. The 4227 load seemed like a soft 30-30 load.

For everyday plinking, I like the IMR-4227 load.

Did a lot of reading on a 190 grain 30-30 cast bullet for Elk, Moose, or Bear. A lot of that was as far back from the 1940’s. Back then some hunters tested them on a bear and that similar bullet drove itself between 18.5” to 20” into a bear (Including bone.) it had good penetration.

I will be casting the 130 grain and 150 grain molds later on. I think the lead mix I’m using is dropping heavy. Bullets are water quenched.


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Got out to West End Gun Club today to shoot. The Lyman mold #311291 was dropping heavy @ 184.5 grains. This is supposed to be a 170 grain bullet mold. Diameter was about 0.312” from the mold. I powder costed with dark blue TGIC free powder and put a Gator gas check on it. After powder coating they were 0.314”. Also had one pink powder coated bullet too. I sized them to 0.309” diameter and they seemed very accurate at 100 yards.

This is the powder coating I was using.

https://www.thepowdercoatstore.com/c...ee-powder-coat



The complete bullet, powder coat and gas check ended up at 190 grains. A little heavy for 30-30 but they hit the steel (AR-500) plates hard. I had the 190 grain up to about 1700-1800 FPS.

***Caution- This is my own load data near or at Max. Based off of 303 Savage cartridge similar load data.***

Loaded 25 up with 28.2 grains of IMR-3031.

Loaded another 25 with 21 grains of IMR-4227.

The 3031 load had more thump. The 4227 load seemed like a soft 30-30 load.

For everyday plinking, I like the IMR-4227 load.

Did a lot of reading on a 190 grain 30-30 cast bullet for Elk, Moose, or Bear. A lot of that was as far back from the 1940’s. Back then some hunters tested them on a bear and that similar bullet drove itself between 18.5” to 20” into a bear (Including bone.) it had good penetration.

I will be casting the 130 grain and 150 grain molds later on. I think the lead mix I’m using is dropping heavy. Bullets are water quenched.


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Is your 30-30 a lever gun, with iron or peep sights? Have you shot the Lever Action Silhouette match at West End? It is the 4th Sunday 8am (June 23rd). I should be there again. It is a fun, laid back match.
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I'm also tagging for updates and loading some 30-30 brass that I need to reload in honor of a fallen 707 member I picked up brass from a few years ago.
Have IMR4064, 4895, 4227, and Hornady LEVERevolution for this task.
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I like 10gr of unique under 110gr bullet
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I don't have my logbook handy. 27.5 gr 3031 with Sierra #2010 bullets.
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Sounds like it ought to be illegal to use strange colored bullets on a 30-30.
Strange color bullets on a modern cartridge no BFD, especially if it's pistol.

30-30 I haven't load for, yet.
The advise I've received for standard pressure 30-30 loads is to use the earlier rifle powders such as 3031.

Looks like this post is getting lots of attention. Good work OP.
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For the last two lever action matches, my load has been a boolit from a brass 2 cavity NOE mold of the Saeco 315# bullet (I run it in the automated boolit casting machine that I built), with an aluminum gas check, sized to 0.311" with Cred lube in the bottom 3 or 4 grooves, loaded over 19.0 grains of IMR 4895. It was good enough to get me 2nd place in both of the matches.



I have not run it over the chrono yet, but it seems consistent. I would guess it is 1500-1700 fps. Last year, I was running Herco from 9.6 grains on up with the same boolit. At 11.0 grains it was heating up the short barrel of my Win 94 and I had to hold way over by time I got to the tenth target.


After the matches, I like to practice on the silhouettes with my revolver. Today, I only had my light 460 mag load with me: MP Molds brass 4 cavity with multiple format hollow points, 270 grain SAA style, powder coated in candy purple, red, pink, blue, and bright green, no gas checks, sized to 0.452, IIRC, in my automated sizing machine. 11.1 grains of trailboss powder gives around 1,000 fps. It is pretty slow from the Smith X Frame, but I was still hitting half size rams at 110 yards (6 to 7" tall at the middle of the body), chickens at 100, and pigs at 80 yards on a regular basis.


The 30-30 loads run clean enough that it wasn't worth powder coating those bullets and dealing with seating deeper to make up for the thickness of the powder. For a match or practice, it will usually see less than 100 rounds. For my 40 cal XD Limited 10 pistol, it is necessary as lubed boolits make a mess, especially with 160 grain boolits and lighter loads geared towards shooting fast and sometimes I will run a couple hundred rounds in a day, with my max being about 700 or so for a duelling tree match one time.


Talking to other guys today, about the 30-30, even with heavy barrels they had heat issues and said a 26" barrel would heat up but then not cool down between strings. At least my carbine barrel cools down. Heavy long guns are very difficult for me to shoot (my AR15's are also built light), so I stick with the carbine and actually use a 3 gun hold for the lever gun, unlike all of the other guys I shoot with. It is what I am comfortable with.


Are you guys shooting paper, hunting, silhouettes?


I'm using peep sights and a 1/16" ball on post shaped insert on the front sight. It is a huge improvement from the factory iron sights and scopes are not allowed in the match.


My first match, a few years ago, was with my grandfather's full power 170 grain jacketed over 4895 hunting loads (this is his old hunting rifle). Man, that was brutal.


Red dot and win 231/hp38 worked fine for plinking loads but they didn't seem consistent enough. This is also a 1973 rifle with the front sight slightly off to one side from the factory and it hasn't had any work done to it. I have read that the quality wasn't always the best on the later win 94 rifles. Plinking on steel and shooting the silhouette match really fits the shooting I like to do, so I don't care about getting tiny groups, although in reality, smaller groups should mean that I would do better on steel.
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Are you guys shooting paper, hunting, silhouettes?
Silhouette.

Lately though, I have thrown over the 30-30 in favor of the 38-55. 10gr of Unique under a 260gr lead cast bullet does the job for me very well and is easy to shoot.
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I'll chime in with CTG80 here, the Lever Gun Match at West End is a great way to see how consistent a load can be.

I attended yesterday for the first time in 5-6 years with a new/old gun and had a fun time. 1948 Marlin in 30-30 shot well, when I could hold it, even managed two rams. Not bad for such a long layoff.

I was shooting one of two loads; 7.4 grains of 700-x with either the Laser Cast 170 flat nose, or the Speer 110 gr. jacketed hollow point that is designed for the 30-30.
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