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https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs#34b
Perhaps this may help. Found it on another thread.
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Because they have an unpinned muzzle device so they are under 30" OAL.
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Should not shorten a rifle barrel under 16” is what is stated. Overall length of a registered AW rifle can be 26” and up. |
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So - should not shorten under 26" It does not say "Should not shorten the OAL under 30". They specifically cite 26" as the minimum OAL. |
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Trying to decide if I want to register my PS90.. it would be the only thing I would register, so not sure if worth it or not.. I kind of like not having a bullet button.. decisions..
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The issue is whether you can remove the fake can to shorten a Bullpup barrel TO 16", making the OAL 26" rather than 30" 2016 California-legal Bullpups were sold with a 4" fake can to bring the OAL to 30", but usually was not pinned, since California AW laws do not require permanence, and the stock configuration was compliant with NFA rules.
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No, but they can send an email to Kevin Leon or Newsom and link to these threads and say "Can we fix this problem next year?"
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I am sure that during the semi-auto rifle ban, your OAL will be 30 though. |
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This affects bullet-buttoned collapsing/folding stocked rifles the owners intended to run as unregistered "fixed magazine" guns an many bullpups in any configuration. Tavors which legally measured 30" including their screwed on 4 5/8" muzzle brakes became 26.1" guns with that pen stroke. Quote:
While DOJ will not register "featureless" rifles which calgunners interpret as "lacking the features enumerated in PC 30515(a)(1)", their definition in 11 CCR 5471(o) defines the term to encompass all characteristics defined in PC 30515 including PC 30515(a)(3) "A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches." Quote:
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I registered my TAVOR SAR (already got the letter from the CA DOJ making it official) - I didn't pin my 4 5/8 inch muzzle brake that came with the weapon when I bought it I just left it as is. But did keep the BB on as the regs state it has to be on to register it as a BBAW.
I just put a comment in the comment section of the AW registration form saying the weapon has a 4 1/2 muzzle brake on the end of the barrel (because I didn't check the flash suppressor box - didn't want to give them another reason to kick it back if someone there thought the muzzle brake was a flash suppressor). |
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I was told by the distributor I bought my Steyr AUG CQC, PJA Investments, the most respected seller/distributor of Steyr AUG's, that the total overall length of my rifle was 29.75 inches with a 16" barrel. So I stored away the 16" barrel the rifle came with, and bought a 20" barrel. This gave my AUG an overall length of 33.75 inches without having to weld my flash hider.
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Bullpups and DOJ overall length definition...
People that registered. What boxes did you check and why? The only one I see is (Pistol Grip that Protrudes Conspicuously Beneath the Action of the Weapon)? Anything else need to be noted? I’m still debating on registering my Tavor or not. Also my KT Sub2k. Thanks.
Barrel Length: 16” Make: Israel Weapon IND Caliber: 223 Rem Color: Tan since mine is FDE Country of Origin: Isreal? Firearm Acquired from: this was new but PPT do I choose Private Party or Firearms Dealer??? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by Zyralius; 01-18-2018 at 4:31 AM.. |
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1) Barrel length should include the length of the muzzle device used to reach >30" overall-length (the device should be permanently attached, but other people might have more insight/experience with registration and this topic)
So it should be something like 16" + 4" muzzle device = 20" barrel (this is an example, measure it yourself) 2) Go with PPT since you didn't buy it from the dealer. Country of origin could be USA depending on how DOJ feels about IWI being a U.S. company (Check the markings on the rifle for clues). Any "Made in Israel" markings would be definitive though. |
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Mine has an 18” barrel and a flash hider so I put 18” barrel, pistol grip, flash hider .223 caliber manufactured by Isreali Weapons Industry made in United States. It came back for a request of a better picture of the caliber markings. Resubmitted a better picture and it was accepted. If there’s any question of overall length they will ask you for a picture with tape measure, but they did not question mine.
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For those registering Tavors - do any of you know how/if registering as a 5.56 cal firearm impacts your ability to use the 9mm conversion kit? I’d argue that like an AR it is multi-cal, but if I remember correctly the 5.56 chambering is clearly written on the receiver/barrel?
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DOJ will not accept interchangeable barrels or 5.56 caliber designation for a Tavor. The markings on the lower receiver/buttstock near the serial number, indicate .223 (so the picture you submit will show this). I tried interchangeable barrels and it got kicked back. However after you register it there are no laws or regulation to prevent you from changing the caliber (just not to 50 BMG, which in a Bullpup platform would be challenging to shoot). There is pleasant surprise after you register it. You can get rid of the awful muzzle extention ang get OAL to 26” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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1. The regs indicate registration for a legal configuration as of 12/31/2016. As of that date a muzzle extension used to reach 30” OAL did not have to be pinned. Also you not only do not have to pin it after registration, you may remove it to 26” OAL. (If you elect not to go featureless and not register, you will have to pin the muzzle extension which may not also be a flash hider) 2. Use 16” as the barrel length. The unpinned muzzle extension is only there to meet OAL. As it is not pinned to the barrel, it is not included in the barrel length. 3. The manufacturer is in Harrisburg PA as stamped on the lower receiver/buttstock. Do not indicate made in Israel. (This will give DOJ brain farts). The only visible “Made in Israel” marking is on the barrel which is also marked 5.56, but use .223 as the caliber per the receiver markings. Do not sent a picture of the barrel markings (more brain farts). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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As far as your other question once you've gotten your rifle registered as an AW when they check to see if its legal you show them the AW letter and they see the serial number matches - they move on. I doubt they're gonna check the caliber on the barrel. But nothing in the law stops you from changing out your barrel/caliber it's still the same weapon. |
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Yes PISTOL GRIP was the only feature I checked. Barrel length: Mine was 16.5" Make: ISRAEL WEAPONS IND. Caliber: 5.56X45mm NATO ^Include as an optional image a photo of the caliber marking on the barrel of the weapon. Color: TAN seems fine since they don't have a Flat Dark Earth option. They're not very picky on the color you choose. Country of Origin: Israel Firearm acquired from: I bought mine new from a Firearms Dealer so that's what I used - not sure about your situation. Here are the comments I put in the comment section: It has a 4 1/2 inch muzzle brake on the end of the barrel. The weapon was made in Israel and distributed by IWI US located in Harrisburg, PA ^I said those comments because I didn't mark flash suppressor I didn't want them to kick it back because they thought a muzzle brake was a flash suppressor. And clarified where it was made because on the side of the receiver is stamped IWI US HARRISBURG, PA If you want to you could take another picture of the MADE IN ISRAEL stamped on the front of the barrel and upload it under hunting license option and tell them you did this in the comments. But that's not really necessary. I put in my comments about it being distributed by IWI US since it's stamped on the side of the receiver to preclude Mr. literal at the CA DOJ from assuming that's where it was made. I already got my AW Letter for this rifle. Last edited by bronco75a; 01-20-2018 at 4:44 PM.. |
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Why was this moved to the CA Laws section and how do they affect me?
It makes zero sense. At least move it to the centerfire rifle section if you're not gonna leave it under the CA 2nd amendment section where all the other registration threads are. Still shaking my head. I spent a lot of time answering that one guy and now he'll probably not even see my answer. Brilliant! |
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This is properly placed in "CA laws and how they apply", it is not specifically about registration, it is about what you can do after registration.
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After reading this thread. It looks like my options are as follows (I purchased my Tavor in 2015, it came with a Raddlock (similar to bullet button) and non-permanently attached muzzle break to meet the 30" OAL.)
1. Register as AW by June 30th 2018 as is. Then I can go to 26" OAL after registration but bullet button must remain. 2. Make the rifle featureless by permanently attaching the muzzle break, add a grip fin and then I can install the standard mag release. Is my understanding correct? |
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Still a debate as to going back to 26" but no one can find anything that says otherwise. I am planning on waiting for awhile until we can get more clarity on it for my AUG.
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Thanks, I think I will wait a little longer and see what happens.
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If you go featureless you will have to pin and weld the muzzle brake extension on. As far as I know only Tavor makes one. https://iwi.us/product/tavor-5-56-al...le-brake-4-58/ If you do register you can per my previous post remove the extension and go to 26” OAL. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I have a freshly RAW Tavor SAR registered with interchangeable barrels; they pushed back asking for barrel marking, but accepted when I responded with a single photo showing Tavor with .223 barrel attached and the 9mm barrel in frame but not attached to a firearm
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As for overall length and permanent muzzle devices: https://i.redd.it/8diz1cmrlexz.jpg
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That’s a good result. They usually can’t think that far. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I bet that felt good. I thoroughly enjoyed taking the muzzle extension off. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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The prints would probably be in the $50-$75 range, but I would need to make the model to say for sure. Takes about 2 weeks to print it too. If anyone has a model, like an SW or inventor or even sketchup and make an STL from it, I can also have that printed.
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