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Concealed Carry Holsters, Equipment and Accessories Questions, answers and discussions regarding equipment specific to concealed carry. |
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Well the focus is on Police duty belts, my contacts at various belt manufactures I carry say the same issues plague the CCW. As long as you have no pain, heartburn or bowel issues you should be OK. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3976020/ https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/229710.pdf http://americancityandcounty.com/law...ing-their-load |
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Q: It would seem that all other things being equal, IWB would be easier on the back/stomach since the load isn't all being carried outside and dependent on the belt doing all of the work of suspending the holster. With IWB, the body becomes a friction point in keeping the holster in place. Is this a fair conclusion? At this point, I am only using OWB hard kydex holsters. An IWB may be just the thing to help keeping my back/stomach in better health. Thank you for all of your input on CG!!!
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Hip size, gun location, type of IWB holster, weapon carried, clothing style all have an impact. Were going to be setting up for the OC gun show Friday and of course were at the show Saturday and Sunday so it would be hard for me to answer a call, but next week if you want to call and discuss I can at least make a recommendation. You may notice if you look at our banner we discuss concealed carry systems. It's not just about the holster. You have to consider comfort, crisis effectiveness, and quality, of the systems. That will vary for people depending on age, injury history, sensitivities, training level, etc. Ask a holster question and many people will tell you want works for them, or what they are currently trying to make work. You seldom see the reply carry information on weight, height, fitness, stomach issues, back, leg or knee issues, other physical limitations. Appendix, 1:30, 3:00, etc. There is really so much that goes into a proper fitting. Ultimately you have to have the mindset, your not going to choose the time or place of a confrontation or you would have avoided, more than likely it will be a surprise, the location, weather, lighting will be sub-optimal for you, you are likely to be injured, physically engaged, and have to have come through denial, and have about 1-2 seconds to make everything work, there are no second chances. Your life depends on always carrying when you can, and making the right choice on the systems. If your choice of holster or belt make you change your clothing style, the choice is generally wrong. Anyway good luck, if you need us call we are here to help. |
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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It's my job, it's my passion, stay safe, and have a wonderful Thanksgiving and Christmas.
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Guys if you have never tried a Nextbelt or some other ratcheting belt, you have to do so. The thing is bullet proof, and its so minutely adjustable you will find its very very comfortable. Also, its easy to adjust quickly. I bought one three years ago from Grant. I also bought a few other imitations on amazon just to try to save a few bucks. Not worth it trust me.
This is the one I bought from grant but with a different fancier buckle https://www.amazon.com/Titan-Coyote-...p_89%3ANexbelt I was worried about fraying as I shoot lots of prone, but nada, not one stich has frayed. The belt is stiff enough to carry a STI 2011 with three mags loaded to 22 rounds each of 9mm and doesn't roll or sag. It holds a sticky nicely if need be. Even if you buy Brand X or Z do yourself a favor and get rid of the belt holes and try the ratchet, you will definitely love it more than the old fashioned belts. I'd buy from Grant again if I ever need one as he is a great resource locally.
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Thanks for the input. I hate to toss my $85 leather Comp Tac belt. I just started having back and hip issues again. Will wait until that goes away and start wearing it again and see what happens. Getting old sucks.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Where are you positioning your holster? (Exact position).
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Right hand side at 3:00-3:30.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Make sure to keep the gun off the hip bone. 3:30 - 4 is going to be your best choice so you stay off the stack of nerves the run up the leg. Can't the grip of the weapon towards 3:00 and do not over tighten. The fact that gun moves with your body is not a bad thing. Pants falling down could be, but you get the point. Unless the gun is really sliding down your body, and your pants are falling off resist the desire to crank the belt down.
Give the a try and see if the pain subsides. Remind me, what kind of gun are you carrying? |
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Thanks! I’ll give it a go!! I’m carrying an XD-m 4.5” in 45 ACP mostly. It’s a bit lighter than my 5” 1911. Sometimes I’ll switch it up and carry my Les Baer also in a KT Mech kydex holster.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Try my first suggestion. I am not sure of your body type, but if the first suggestion doesn't quite work, adjust the holster so the gun rides higher on the hip, so we shift the weight balance. .45's are heavy and we need to apply connection with the body to minimize the impact of that weight. |
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Yes, OWB. I’m 190 lbs and 5’10”. Average build with expansion in front. I’ll put the gun further back and also move the belt loops lower so the gun rides higher. (Mom is in the hospital right now, so haven’t had a chance yet to call you). Thanks for all of the ‘virtual’ help!!!
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Are you using clips or wings attached to the holster to run the belt through? |
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I'm using the regular P shaped belt loop thingies that come standard.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Just a note, we now have the new Gen 6 Nexbelt in stock. We will be premiering the belt at Del Mar. The most significant improvements are the uses of stainless steel screws at each attach point in the buckle. The latch has been upgraded to double locks well maintaining the buckle to belt screws.
The purpose of the upgrade was to assure fighting strength during a hand to hand engagement. Rigidity is improved without harming the dynamic comfort which has been a highlight of the belt making it comfortable to wear all day + I invite you to stop by and see them. Feel free to ask questions. I am still wearing my Gen 2 belt and consider it the most comfortable belt I have ever worn, but after more inventory becomes available I will be upgrading to the Gen 6. |
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The Gen 1 belt depended on the toothed clasp to attach to the belt. The Gen 2 belt added reenforcements to the lateral stability of the belt and stronger stitching at the tongue of the belt. The Gen 3 belt added set screws that more firmly attached the buckle to the belt to better survive a grappling fight The Gen 4 belt enlarged the screws to prevent cross threading. The Gen 5 belt added length to the tang of the buckle (great unless you AIWB) and larger screws. The Gen 6 belt replaces pins with stainless steel screws, upgrades the Clasp to double jawed, adds some stiffness to the belt. (I personally don't think it was needed). Basically if you get into a fight your going to break before the belt. The team at Nexbelt has been great, and continue to work with me and some others to improve the product and have some new items coming out that I can't wait to talk about, but am currently embargoed on. Last edited by grantar2; 12-08-2017 at 3:52 PM.. |
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There is a new design in the leather that is really nice if your wearing a suit. |
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Made right up the hill in Placerville, these are fantastic. Adjustable throughout the day as well.
Precision Holsters Tactical Conceal Nylon Belt |
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I have the Gen 6, at least sounds like I do. I got it as a BF special. I’ve been running it for about 2 weeks now. I have mixed feelings about it. I love it and hate it at the same time. 1) it is a nice belt and definitely can run it with a suit (I have), 2) it’s endlessly adjustable, 3) it’s a stiff SOB, like too stiff, 4) wish the had more plain buckles (I don’t want to wear the Gadsden flag when at the office), and 5) the bad it kills my back. I haven’t figured out it If it needs to be broken in or I’m wearing it too tight or it’s flat out hurts. I’ve been playing with the tension but need to balance holding the weight of the gun vs comfort. Bottom line I want to love the belt, but my Hanks is a lot more comfortable. I’m only carrying a G19 or a Shield and never had any issues with the Hanks.
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Do you have any discomfort when wearing the belt without the gun? Where on the body are you wearing the gun? What model holster are you using with each? Last edited by grantar2; 12-12-2017 at 11:28 AM.. |
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Please note well I am calling the new Nexbelt version 6. they are calling it version 3.0 in their marketing. The difference is that they have made changes they count as continuous product improvement not significant changes. I considered them significant changes in that each improved the durability or functionality of the product and were beyond cosmetic.
When I have been out at the office and seen a change I consider significant, I have stopped stocking until the new version is available, as I want to be able to tell my client they have the best available. |
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I carry AWIB, with a t-Rex raptor for the 19 and black arch for the shield. The last two days I’ve gone without a gun to make sure it’s not the gun/holster, and haven’t noticed it as much but it’s still there. At the same time, I never had the problem with my Hanks. I have been running it “looser” without the gun and it has helped. I think the issue is more the fact that I’m running it too tight? I’m still playing with it. For reference I’m 5’10 165lbs, so I’m a skinny twerp with no gut (or chest or arms or....). |
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hickmanfab,
Since you carrying AIWB I suspect your right about wearing it too tight. Try to get yourself to ease off on the belt, especially when sitting. With AIWB carry there should be no rubbing to cause the kind of low back pain, most associated with 3 O'clock carry. Typically if there is a problem associated with AIWB it's heartburn, indigestion or diarrhea. Do you wear your gun high or low? |
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Not helpful.
Actually never ignore discomfort from carrying AWIB. The risk of sever damage to the large intestine shouldn't be downplayed. A good fitting holster, belt should not cause pain for CCW. |
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Lighten up Francis It was a joke, haven’t you ever seen the commercials.
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Appreciate all of your input here Grantar!
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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The name is Art, and I can be light heart-ed but I am pretty serious when it comes to someones health, and the products I represent, or recommend.
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Art it was a joke relax, I edited the above post so maybe that will help u understand the joke I was making.
I get health issues are not a joke and was not making light of what u said other than those three key words. Last edited by 97F1504RAD; 12-13-2017 at 7:12 AM.. |
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For the record no heartburn, diarrhea, indigestion, or upset stomach . Just lower back pain. I think it’s mainly because the Nexbelt is so much more adjustable i could get it “comfortably” tight. The Hanks has 1” adjustments so it either comfortable or “yep can’t feel my toes”. Hopefully that makes sense. Thank you for the help in narrowing down the problem. I do wish you where closer. It would save me a lot of wasted time and money. |
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I consider myself a concealed carry tailor. Having said that I have worked on Crew Stations and pilots flight suits to small arms units for special forces in my career. I believe that something your life will depend on should not be left to luck to get right. Very glad to hear this works. What I would like to ask you to do, is in the new position, dress as you most often do, and practice drawing one handed to a close retention position, well seated, seat belted in your car, kneeling hiding behind a corner (can do this in your house and garage). prone, on your chest, on your back. Learn where your system has trouble. You should be able to slowly draw as to not draw attention, and Conan the the gun out of your holster as though you had a second to live. |
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