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This aspect should be used in court as well, if it is not. A.W.D.
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Some forms of featureless do, others (such as a Hammerhead, especially when combined with a short throw safety) don't.
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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So far (as of 2017), the state is perfectly happy with Mini-14s, unconverted Saigas, M1s, Remington 700s, etc. They are safe to operate.
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You already do have a mag lock on it, otherwise you would have illegally mfrd an AW.
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It was a legal semi-auto center fire rifle without prohibiting features on 12/31/2016. It is now, according to the new regulations, an SACF that does not have prohibiting features but is an AW due to the OAL<30" because the muzzle device is not pinned and welded. I pose this question then, if I put the BB back on and take off the fin grip (also a legal configuration on 12/31/2016), and register it as an AW, where does it say I have to have to meet the OAL of 30". It is a BB rifle and they will register it on that aspect alone. Once an AW, there is no regulation that says it cannot drop below the 30" OAL (ie. I have to keep the muzzle device that is on it). They have created themselves a web of laws an regulations that even they cannot see all of the holes in. I have to believe that them doubling down on the pictures and BBs may cost them the entire AW classification. In their attempt to clarify the intent of the regulations they simply contradict themselves and it should be their undoing.
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Great point, the DOJ doesn't seem to understand the reason for these "evil features". Everything on a base gun has a function. The pistol grip is to be able to hold the gun firmly and use the firearm safely. The magazine release is designed to drop a mag when there's a malfunction. Without it, the firearm could be left in a jammed dangerous position. *Edit: They also seem to not understand that until every state follows the same rules as these new regulations, these only infringe the rights of innocent good people in CA. A criminal can smuggle guns across state lines, and video evidence has been released where criminals have robbed gun stores taking hundreds of firearms. Those stolen guns will most likely get sold and travel across the United States. Last edited by Kalashnikov007; 05-19-2017 at 12:17 PM.. |
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The point being when they pulled this crap in the past they didn't require any modification only registration as is. So more they are open to many more challenges then the past. |
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No, I think you're correct after I read the regs again
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This is all so hideously ridiculous. There are going to be some INNOCENT victims that get caught up in the minutiae of regulation here and have their lives ruined for daring to practice their 2nd amendment in a manner acceptable to their overlords in Sacramento. They'll misstep just a bit and get snared. For being democrats, these legislators really have no heart. In addition, I'm sure a lot of people will get fed up and leave the state. What did all of this accomplish? Nothing more than a bunch of law abiding people, that would have never gone on a shooting rampage, leave the state and take their taxes with them. This whole crusade against "assault weapons" is a net loss for these legislators, but I guess their hard-on to stick it to gun owners outweighs that. It really is very mind boggling, but then again, look who we're dealing with.
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I don't care if Trump makes man/beast marriage legal, as long as he can push the SCOTUS into our favor he was a success. That's the only thing that can reign in Sacramento. At least for a little while.
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Safety is a subjective term in this context. While they claim they are making now safe and we can point out logically that fails it doesn't really matter. The court will just say the DOJ are allowed to decide what is safer and what isn't.
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The DoJ has completely lost the plot.
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I'm beginning to think this is the solution for my family.
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It's the final solution to the California problem. Take away the majority of the tax base and watch the state collapse.
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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Some don't even have uppers and lowers. What the hell is this garbage?
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Not only are they saying whether or not the lower has a BB uniquely identifies it, they're saying this applies to firearms which are identified by UPPER. Not that any of this logic means anything to the courts, of course. See also: Peruta. The system is an utter joke, and anyone here who defends it at this point deserves nothing but pure derision.
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So if someone that legally owns a registered assault rifle prior to 2017 decided that they wanted to install a bullet button on their legal assault rifle for additional safety around kids , they couldn't do so legally cause then they would be creating another class of assault rifle?
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Registration, as it was intended, favors gun owners and gun rights. This is simply an attempt at taking any of that advantage away and suppressing people from registering.
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Registration with "Multiple" caliber uppers. Will it still be possible for a person to register with multiple caliber uppers?? Can't find it anywhere where it's says it's allowed. Tnx |
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I guess I must be weird for operating my safety with my off hand?
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Im actually very concerned about the date of acquisition. No way in hell do I remember this from years ago.... :/
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Which sadly doesn't answer your question because this State isn't that any more.
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Must have high speed internet access.
- Must own a computer. - Has knowledge and training to be able to use the internet. - Has the knowledge and training to fully utilize said computer + internet. - Must own or have access to a quality digital camera. - Has the knowledge & ability to be able to take quality, clear digital photos photos. - Has the knowledge and ability to create an account on a website and upload photos to said site. So I understand that the higher courts see a Voter ID card requirement to vote to be too demanding of a Citizen to exercise their right to vote.... Now the state of Komifornia wants firearm enthusiast to do all of this to exercise their right to keep property that they already purchased legally with out becoming a felon? UNREAL!! |
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I have no doubt in my mind this will be challenged legally and practically. I have no doubt that they also knew this, so the goal now is to make it as hard as possible to register. They will probably succeed in that capacity, and not get the 1.5 million they expected.
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