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Old 04-02-2019, 5:17 PM
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Wow, you're right. Yesterday he said there was "evidence".

What a ******* piece of work this guy is

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Defendant's Response to Plaintiff's Opposition

Plaintiffs’ Opposition to Defendant’s Ex Parte Application for Temporary Stay of the Judgment acknowledges that “countless” California residents have ordered new LCMs following this Court’s Judgment. (Opp’n at 2:5.) Plaintiffs “understand the State’s concerns.” (Opp’n at 2:4.) Nevertheless, they oppose Defendant’s reasonable and limited request for a temporary stay while the Court considers the ex parte application for a stay of the Judgment pending appeal out of concern that individuals who have ordered new LCMs would be in violation of California Penal Code section 32310(a). Plaintiffs offer no evidence that there are any Californians who have either ordered or are currently in possession of LCMs in reliance on the Court’s ruling."

What is the Attorney General saying? Are people relying on the ruling to order standard-capacity magazines or not? Really confusing what the Attorney General is arguing.
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Nevertheless, they oppose Defendant’s reasonable and limited request for a temporary stay....out of concern that individuals who have ordered new LCMs would be in violation of California Penal Code section 32310(a). Plaintiffs offer no evidence that there are any Californians who have either ordered or are currently in possession of LCMs in reliance on the Court’s ruling. .....
.... Nothing prevents this Court from fashioning appropriate interim relief for persons who take possession of LCMs purchased between the issuance of the Judgment and an order staying the effect of that Judgment, if there are any such individuals.

There couldn't have been anyone in this State that would dare to act on new freedom once granted. How dare we even think of doing such a thing! LMFAO! There must be at least a million mags on their way, already acquired and brought in, or built from mag parts/kits. Bozoera is delusional.
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Old 04-02-2019, 5:26 PM
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Is Becerra high? No evidence people are buying up mags?

What a piece of **** liar. Just yesterday as evidence for need for a stay he cited that sales were going on.
If there's no evidence anyone is buying up mags... then I guess there's no need for a stay.
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Old 04-02-2019, 5:28 PM
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Report from Guns & Gadgets. He seems to suggest a ruling might come today?

Well, he was wrong.
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is Becerra going to have a bunch of screenshots on calguns post?
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I like how the AG's response to the response to the stay request does not accept that any Californian has ordered an LCM since Friday, stating that the response offered no evidence that anyone has in fact made a purchase.

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Edit: just noticed the above has already been commented on

Though I did find it interesting the AG said the court could offer anyone who did purchase but not yet received an allowance from enforcement as part of the temporary stay order.
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is Becerra going to have a bunch of screenshots on calguns post?
I hope so. Bacerra every website is backed up with tens of thousands of orders from us
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Gee, this appears to give Benitez more to think about. I can say I think Benitez is going to have to take some time to go over this and give the plaintiff's time to provide a more comprehensive rebuttal. This should take a bit of time to make sure both sides get heard properly. Afterall, Basura's (yes, I stole that) request cites some court cases which they likely already had in mind before the ruling was struck down. The plaintiff's need time to look them up and come up with a response.
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It's funny to anyone that speaks Spanish because Basura is the word for "garbage" and Bacerra is a piece of trash.
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Is Becerra high? No evidence people are buying up mags?

What a piece of **** liar. Just yesterday as evidence for need for a stay he cited that sales were going on.
Basura is a politician. The C.D. Michel is a lawyer who specializes in laws governing firearms.
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It's funny to anyone that speaks Spanish because Basura is the word for "garbage" and Bacerra is a piece of trash.
Lol, now that's funny to anyone that speaks English...
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I'm not an attorney. I've read Benitez's ruling and have come to the conclusion that the AG of California is full of s**t.
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Basura is a politician. The C.D. Michel is a lawyer who specializes in laws governing firearms.

Basura wishes he were a lawyer. It’s so pathetic - he had to get a waiver for failing to meet the statutory requirement of 5 years as an active member of the State Bar to be eligible for appointment as (interim) AG.


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I don't speak English, I speak American!!

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Basura wishes he were a lawyer. It’s so pathetic - he had to get a waiver for failing to meet the statutory requirement of 5 years as an active member of the State Bar to be eligible for appointment as (interim) AG.
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So, perhaps a dumb question but if 32310 was declared unconstitutional, what happened to all those rebuild kits that were all the rage a few years back? Sounds to me that it’s 1999 again, I am shocked those have not flooded the market as there were tons of rebuild kit activity here on the forum. Perhaps that has not sunk in yet. Either way just nice to see a win for us even if it’s a short one. Just unbelievable.
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So, perhaps a dumb question but if 32310 was declared unconstitutional, what happened to all those rebuild kits that were all the rage a few years back? Sounds to me that it’s 1999 again, I am shocked those have not flooded the market as there were tons of rebuild kit activity here on the forum. Perhaps that has not sunk in yet. Either way just nice to see a win for us even if it’s a short one. Just unbelievable.
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So, perhaps a dumb question but if 32310 was declared unconstitutional, what happened to all those rebuild kits that were all the rage a few years back? Sounds to me that it’s 1999 again, I am shocked those have not flooded the market as there were tons of rebuild kit activity here on the forum. Perhaps that has not sunk in yet. Either way just nice to see a win for us even if it’s a short one. Just unbelievable.
Why would you get a rebuild kit when you can just get a normal magazine?
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Honestly, is evidence of this kind actually necessary? Because it is like, everywhere.....
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Honestly, is evidence of this kind actually necessary? Because it is like, everywhere.....
But all the gun shops are out of stock, how is it even possible to buy them?
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It's breathtakingly stupid that this actually was written by anyone with a HS diploma, let alone a law degree:

Nevertheless, they oppose Defendant’s reasonable and limited request for a temporary stay while the Court considers the ex parte application for a stay of the Judgment pending appeal out of concern that individuals who have ordered new LCMs would be in violation of California Penal Code section 32310(a).
Plaintiffs offer no evidence that there are any Californians who have either ordered or are currently in possession of LCMs in reliance on the Court’s ruling. And even if such residents exist, that does not militate against a stay. To the contrary, an immediate stay is necessary to prevent further irreparable harm to the State and to avoid potential harm to individuals acting in reliance on the Judgment before the request for a full stay is considered.

Can the request for a stay be considered just on the stupidity of their argument?
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If will not be granted because the status quo is 1791 (Bill of Rights Ratified) to 1999 (209 years) when magazines were magazines and there was no such definition as LCM...and Becerra argues for a 20 year status quo...
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....if these were gay magazines would Becerra be saying the same thing? That they couldn't marry until the case was heard?
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is Becerra going to have a bunch of screenshots on calguns post?
Count on it. Those douchebags need to know what they're up against.
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So state makes a law.
Judge says no you can't do that.
Judge says law not enforceable because you'd be taking property that they are allowed to own and you can't give back.
State appeals.
Court says, nope, other court was right to block law. Go talk to judge Benetiz again.
Judge says yeah, I meant what I said. Illegal law.
State says ok ok but while we determine if it's really illegal, can you just make the law legal again for a little bit while we take it to anither judge?

And they think he'll say anything other than "No, I've already answered this question twice."
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....if these were gay magazines would Becerra be saying the same thing? That they couldn't marry until the case was heard?
No way. Or if they were abortion magazines full of women trying to murder their babies, he would be falling all over himself to push them through the doors as fast as possible and make us pay for them to kill their babies.
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Plaintiffs offer no evidence that there are any Californians who have either ordered or are currently in possession of LCMs in reliance on the Court’s ruling.

They offered evidence in their request for a stay by including the ad from palmetto state armory. They can’t have it both ways. If no resident has ordered mags then why do they need the stay in the first place. ****ing Ridiculous
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"Plaintiffs offer no evidence that there are any Californians who have either ordered or are currently in possession of LCMs in reliance on the Court’s ruling."

All the judge has to do is go look at the PSA website - which the State cites as evidence in their request for a stay and see that PSA is now sold out of everything. And if he's bored, he could pick any other firearms site. And get the same result.

You would have thought DOJ would have learned their lesson after pissing off the judge with double hearsay. Keep digging.
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If will not be granted because the status quo is 1791 (Bill of Rights Ratified) to 1999 (209 years) when magazines were magazines and there was no such definition as LCM...and Becerra argues for a 20 year status quo...
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Report from Guns & Gadgets. He seems to suggest a ruling might come today?

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To the contrary, an immediate stay is necessary to prevent further irreparable harm to the State and to avoid potential harm to individuals acting in reliance on the Judgment before the request for a full stay is considered.

Can the request for a stay be considered just on the stupidity of their argument?
Did this Basura fool that got his a$& handed to him really just ask for a stay from a judge on the grounds that people are relying on the judges ruling?

Can’t tell if full retard or his junior assistant is 2A friendly. No other reason someone would put such a dumb statement on paper.
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Which website has mags now? I checked AU they are out of stock.
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If there's no evidence anyone is buying up mags... then I guess there's no need for a stay.
Man I wish the Judge's response to the stay request just says this followed by 15 winky face emoji.
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Which website has mags now? I checked AU they are out of stock.
go ask in this thread http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1521211

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No way. Or if they were abortion magazines full of women trying to murder their babies, he would be falling all over himself to push them through the doors as fast as possible and make us pay for them to kill their babies.
Or maybe if they were Sanctuary City magazines, would they have to cooperate with the Federal Gov't. until it was decided in the courts?
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What happens to mags in the mail if a stay is granted?
If you paid for them, they are yours. They do not belong to the seller or the shipper. My opinion.
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