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Our city looked like a war zone. The Hawthorne mall was completed looted, as were many other stores/businesses throughout the city.
We drove past the mall a couple times when that whole area was under siege. There was trash and debris everywhere and swarms of people were running in and out of the mall. VCRs, CD players, and other small electronics were like the tablets and smart phones that we cherish today. I think the mall property remained vacant for decades.
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I wonder if we'll have more riots of this scale again. I hope not.
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Great pics OP, great stories from many of the LEO's. Thank you for your service and be safe.
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All the police ran away from Koreatown, and went to Beverly Hills to protect them.

Koreans were left to fend for themselves.
Good documentary. Skip to the 42 mins mark and they'll cover the event from the Korean prospective


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Good documentary. Skip to the 42 mins mark and they'll cover the event from the Korean prospective


https://youtu.be/An8LJ_fv0mo
Thanks for that link. You were right. It was a pretty good documentary and it really did tell the Korean perspective.
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Thanks for that link. You were right. It was a pretty good documentary and it really did tell the Korean perspective.
If you watch the entire thing, it really puts the hammer to the media (LA Times) for stirring racial tension in the community, and outlines a little better as to why the officers were found not guilty in the state trial.
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If you watch the entire thing, it really puts the hammer to the media (LA Times) for stirring racial tension in the community, and outlines a little better as to why the officers were found not guilty in the state trial.
I will watch the rest. As a kid in high school at the time, I remember the media stirring it up for sure. I remember they only showed Latasha harlins getting shot in the back, and didn't show when Latasha punched the lady 3 times and knocked her down. I actually didn't see the punching part until years later on youtube.

Of course the Korean lady should have gone to jail, but Koreans were a sacrificial lamb, the way the media portrayed it over and over only the latter part, making it seem like a racist shooting, instead of an idiotic shooting out of anger.

The Chandler Family is the most anti-LA family in the history of LA. They're pieces of f-cking sh-t.
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Those pictures with the deputies and their helmets..... and no GOLD colored keeper snaps (rolls eyes). Those were the days when LASD was controlled by the Sheriff alone and NOT a woman attorney with ZERO police experience in a new unit called "Constitutional Policing" (aka: "Constipated Policiing).

Oh man, those were the days and how times have changed for the worse in the county.
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^ Actually crime is a lot lower now than it was back then in Los Angeles.
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We drove past the mall a couple times when that whole area was under siege. There was trash and debris everywhere and swarms of people were running in and out of the mall. VCRs, CD players, and other small electronics were like the tablets and smart phones that we cherish today. I think the mall property remained vacant for decades.
The Hawthorne Mall is still boarded up. I wish I had thought about taking pictures.

The week after the riots I was asked to speak at a career day at Markham Middle School in Watts. I was a FTO and I had a trainee with me and it was 99% positive. Of course we had people who ran from us when we made a turn. They must be thinking we was looking for them.
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I had a guy running away from me after he came out of a store with stolen items. I ran after him, but could not get closer. I threw my Streamlight flashlight as hard as I can at him. Luckily, it hit the back of his knee, and he went down. My flashlight hit the pavement very hard. But, it still worked. I booked the guy for burglary, and carrying a concealed weapon after I found a small pistol from his back pocket.

Those were wild days for sure.
Just like that scene from the intro of TJ Hooker where Heather Locklear throws the baton at the fleeing suspect!
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Just like that scene from the intro of TJ Hooker where Heather Locklear throws the baton at the fleeing suspect!
That was what I was thinking after I did it...It feels kind of funny.........
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Nice pics.
I went with the 40th MP out of Los Al. Stayed for 3 weeks. We lived in the LAPD academy gym for one of those weeks.

We basically went on patrol with Newton division. Bought a lot of t-shirts (still have some). Although my buddies took a lot of pics, I was too young and cool to want to be in any of them. Wish I had at least one now.

I'm pretty sure the below pic is of my Platoon leader. I was actually to the right of him when this photo was taken. Again, I was too cool and walked out of the shot when the photographer took the pic.

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What stops a riot is national guardsmen with an automatic weapon and no clear rules of engagement. (quote) An American marine on sentry duty beats a locked gate everytime. R. Lee Ermey in area of Khe San 1967. Memories of John (Jack) Walton sp forces Sgt killed there , Heir to the Walmart empire.
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... Memories of John (Jack) Walton sp forces Sgt killed there , Heir to the Walmart empire.
John Walton 58, died in a plane crash in Wyoming 2005.
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Although my buddies took a lot of pics, I was too young and cool to want to be in any of them. Wish I had at least one now.
That would have been cool to have a pic in military BDU patrolling L.A. Out of four rolls of film that I took during the riot, I'm only in about 5 pics. Those were taken when I handed the camera off to someone. I sure wish I had more but those are the ones I'll show my (future) grandkids someday when I tell war stories about the "hot years" in South Los Angeles.
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I keep hearing this story floating around the National Guard and LASD/LAPD coppers but at the time, the National Guard and police had little experience working together. The story goes LAPD/LASD would yell " cover me" then the Guard would open fire..Interoperability issues.

Not sure how much of that is true considering the Guard had logistic issues with ammo when they first deployed. I've heard this story so many times.
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Thanks for sharing.

I remember hearing a story that some civilians started guarding the firefighters after they were being targeted, but before the pd and national guard came in. They supposedly armed themselves with machetes and bats, did some searching but I couldn't find anything to confirm. Anyone know if there's any truth to this? I only ask because THAT would have made for a hell of a picture.
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I keep hearing this story floating around the National Guard and LASD/LAPD coppers but at the time, the National Guard and police had little experience working together. The story goes LAPD/LASD would yell " cover me" then the Guard would open fire..Interoperability issues.

Not sure how much of that is true considering the Guard had logistic issues with ammo when they first deployed. I've heard this story so many times.


I see how that would happen.
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wow, thanks for you sharing. i have been watching the riot documentaries that have been coming out and one thing that surprises me is how old all the cars look. time flies.... whats scary is how they say we're due for another riot and it might be coming soon. not quite sure generation snowflake has it in them.

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how many zombies were shot during the riots?
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Here's what I can remember after 25 years.

I got the call that night of the riots for activation and headed to Los Al. Slept at Los Al and waited for the rest of the Unit to show-up.

We waited for ammo to be flown in from Northern CA and we're finally issued 40 rounds each.

CHP from all over also staged at Los Al, eventually running security for the FD (saw a lot on Mini-14's with the chipies)

Finally deployed in the afternoon of the second day. We had Hmvees and an LASD code 3 escort to the City (don't remember where).

When we got there, the city was jumping. Buildings on fire, people and News everywhere, and cars speeding up and down streets (including LAPD). The above photo I posted was taken during this time. Also someone who was out taking pictures pulled up to us. He had been shot in the arm by some bangers. We patched him up and I think and ambulance took him away.

The next day we deployed to a vacant lot down the street from Newton division.

I was in an MP unit. A lot of my fellow Guardsman were cops who would have been on the streets with their Agencies if they hadn't been activated. Also a lot of security/ want a bees/ reserves/ ex-cops, etc. So we had no problem working with LAPD. We went out in caravans of Hummers and LAPD units. Basically worked patrol for the first few days. And than just did security details as things cooled down.

Can't speak on how things worked with regular Guard or the Marine units.

After about 3 weeks we came home.
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Here's what I can remember after 25 years.

I got the call that night of the riots for activation and headed to Los Al. Slept at Los Al and waited for the rest of the Unit to show-up.

We waited for ammo to be flown in from Northern CA and we're finally issued 40 rounds each.

CHP from all over also staged at Los Al, eventually running security for the FD (saw a lot on Mini-14's with the chipies)

Finally deployed in the afternoon of the second day. We had Hmvees and an LASD code 3 escort to the City (don't remember where).

When we got there, the city was jumping. Buildings on fire, people and News everywhere, and cars speeding up and down streets (including LAPD). The above photo I posted was taken during this time. Also someone who was out taking pictures pulled up to us. He had been shot in the arm by some bangers. We patched him up and I think and ambulance took him away.

The next day we deployed to a vacant lot down the street from Newton division.

I was in an MP unit. A lot of my fellow Guardsman were cops who would have been on the streets with their Agencies if they hadn't been activated. Also a lot of security/ want a bees/ reserves/ ex-cops, etc. So we had no problem working with LAPD. We went out in caravans of Hummers and LAPD units. Basically worked patrol for the first few days. And than just did security details as things cooled down.

Can't speak on how things worked with regular Guard or the Marine units.

After about 3 weeks we came home.
40 rounds! Thats about the same story I heard too. I heard it was a huge cluster****. Basically x2 20 round mags. Including the one in the M16.
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I think I remember some of the National Guard having to shoot and kill someone trying to run them over. I'm surprised the death toll was not higher during the riots.
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I see how that would happen.
Interesting paper that talks about that

http://www.militarymuseum.org/LARiots1.html
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Have any of you read Chief Vernon's book L.A. Justice: Lessons from the Firestorm and if so what do you think about what he said that one of the reasons for letting the rioting get to the level that it did was to have justification to remove civil service protection from Chief Gates?
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Interesting so did any heads roll at LAPD after the event - sounds like they should have...
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Thank you for your service and sharing valuable pictures. I was recent immigrant kid back then and was surprised how crazy things happen in LA. I thanked God I was in OC.
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Interesting so did any heads roll at LAPD after the event - sounds like they should have...
Yes Lt Mike Moulin who was the officer in charge of the station responsible for the Florence and Normandie intersection was forced out by Gates. Lt. Moulin wisely ordered his officers out of the area as they where taking rocks and bottles from a angry mob and did not have riot gear. However once he set up a command post, and watched the live feed from news copters, he refused to allow his officers to go back in (although most of them wanted to). He watched the Reginald Denny beating live and later commented "It was like a war. Bad things happen in war." Obviously Lt Moulin never served in the military. (I refer to Macus Latrell among others). If that had been an LA police officer being beaten he would have sent officers back in. His inaction and disregard for the lives of mere citizens was appalling. Those where the reasons Gates had him sacked, not to make him a fall guy as Moulin continues to claim to this day.
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I will watch the rest. As a kid in high school at the time, I remember the media stirring it up for sure. I remember they only showed Latasha harlins getting shot in the back, and didn't show when Latasha punched the lady 3 times and knocked her down. I actually didn't see the punching part until years later on youtube.

Of course the Korean lady should have gone to jail, but Koreans were a sacrificial lamb, the way the media portrayed it over and over only the latter part, making it seem like a racist shooting, instead of an idiotic shooting out of anger.

The Chandler Family is the most anti-LA family in the history of LA. They're pieces of f-cking sh-t.
Only one of the documentaries included the fact that 5 Korean shop owner had been robbed and murdered in the prior 12 month.
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Absolutely amazing set of pictures, they really do tell a tale. But I fear this is also a warning of the future.
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I am glad social media didn't exist back then. It would have escalated and spread much more quickly.
Excellent observation. But the causes of the riot still exist now with social media. The next riot in LA (and there will be one) will engulf most of the city. And you're not safe up on the freeways anymore (BLM tactics). The Century Freeway will be one big kill zone. When in LA I listen to the police scanner at all times.
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Yes Lt Mike Moulin who was the officer in charge of the station responsible for the Florence and Normandie intersection was forced out by Gates. Lt. Moulin wisely ordered his officers out of the area as they where taking rocks and bottles from a angry mob and did not have riot gear. However once he set up a command post, and watched the live feed from news copters, he refused to allow his officers to go back in (although most of them wanted to). He watched the Reginald Denny beating live and later commented "It was like a war. Bad things happen in war." Obviously Lt Moulin never served in the military. (I refer to Macus Latrell among others). If that had been an LA police officer being beaten he would have sent officers back in. His inaction and disregard for the lives of mere citizens was appalling. Those where the reasons Gates had him sacked, not to make him a fall guy as Moulin continues to claim to this day.
Moulin is on a new documentary on CBS. He still seems very sour.
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Interesting times indeed.

I worked straight through the entire thing. My work place was 210 W. Temple. Yup, CCB as it was known then. Spent the time doing felony arraignments in Div. 30.

At the time I was a smoker so I had a key to those ledges that circle every floor. Grab a smoke, watch the fires and do things like trade subway sandwiches to the Nat Guard who had some amazing BBQ.

The things that stick in my mind were.

Watching the Nat Guard go down Broadway from Temple and recognizing my desert buddy (Embrey LASD) was with them. Had a conversation from the 5th for down to the street.

The Communist Party nitwits marching down 1st. A herd of LAPD Motors on foot appeared to grow out of the pavement. (Actually hidden in the times building lobby) About 30 LAPD and 50 Commies. The meeting was short, decisive and ended in about 2 minutes with all the commies on the blue LAPD bus.

Going with some Marshalls over to Parker Center because LAPD was giving shotguns out to Fire and other agencies. we got there late and they were mostly gone. They were kind enough to give out ammo too.

My favorite part was while standing on the balcony I watched rioters approach the Hall of Justice. LASD sent out a Lt. looking guy in a blue shirt and tie to calm the crowd. It of course failed and someone threw an empty trash can at him. All the doors on that side burst open and a tide of Deputies washed out to the yellow line of the street just leveling everyone in their path. They then washed back into the Hall and all that was left was a bunch of folks in pain. Took about 90 seconds for that particular tide to wash out and then back in. Blink and you missed it.

The riots were very surreal. Smoke and flames from fires. Gunshots, sirens and revving engines from every direction it seemed.
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I said I either wanted to chase younger women or shoot.

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