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Old 02-17-2019, 4:46 PM
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I picked up my gun from Ammo Bros, Riverside last evening and had an interesting experience.


I had my own lock and receipt with which, I picked up two guns that same day from Ammo Bros in Cerritos and Santa Ana. I had no problem at all. Both places have nice, knowledgeable, friendly staffs!


At Riverside, when the staff was about to hand me over my gun, the store manager, out of nowhere, intervened and did a 3rd check and told me that lock doesnít match my Walmart receipt.

(FYI. The Walmart receipt said CA LOCK with a bunch of numbers with no description of the make or the model of the lock)


When I asked him how could DOJ ever verify what lock I used vs what was on the receipt, he couldnít answer.


I had to run to the nearest Walmart store to get another lock to break my gun out.


Now, it is normal for the store to verify whether the exact make and model of the lock is on the receipt? Were they ever in trouble for not getting the receipt matching the lock? How can DOJ even know about this as the stores only collect copy of the receipt and not any pic of the lock?






Little more about the manager:
My gun has a barrel weight which has to be removed to verify the serial number on the frame. This same manager who was supposed to do the 2nd check, after almost 25 mins, asked another staff to do it. My guess is that he doesnít want to do the work; remove the weight, check the serial number and put the weight back on. And the staff who was asked to do it, seemed very annoyed by it. Yet, the staff didnít take it out on me and did what was supposed to be done.



Now the same guy who was either too busy or too l**y to check the serial number on the frame, got very strict about checking the receipt for the make and model of the lock!
Yes but why did ďlazyĒ get flagged as ďl**yĒ?
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Old 02-17-2019, 5:38 PM
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Maybe a new manager or they recently caught grief from their DOJ overlord...

The lock receipt thing is really annoying and sucky.

I've now done PPTs at every Ammo Bros in California and I've had generally good experiences. In fact the Riverside one was one of my best (that was over a year ago). I find it depends on who's on duty at the time. At all the Ammo Bros I was always treated well - although the Santa Ana PPT I did was the slowest and the manager was pretty apathetic.

Turner's on the other hand I try to avoid like the plague.
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there is a reason I would drive by Ammo Bros Cerrtios on the way to 2azone when I was in my acquisition stage. Then afterwards I would go just to do PPTs because they can't say no.

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Old 02-17-2019, 5:53 PM
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Just a power move from the manager thats all. Some FFL find every little thing to hinder the ppt process or wanting you to buy their lock. The easiest way is to avoid those FFL.

The manger probably already knows what "Walmart Locks" and packaging looks like by now so if you bring in a recently used Walmart receipt but with a generic lock, he's got an excuse.

To combat the lock situation, either go to an friendly lock policy FFL, or buy one from Walmart and return. If you think you are doing multiple ppts, don't return the lock right away, keep it for 30 days in case for a second ppt. Walmart return policy is 90 days for that lock (open or not).

Remember some LGS/FFL does not like doing ppt and will think or use any excuse to curb that so play the game straight up with them or simply go elsewhere.

BTW I had couple places open the new Walmart lock packaging and take the instructions papers. When I asked why, they said I needed for my files and ooook can you make a copy then? nope I need the originals. Yeah you gotta deal with things like this in some places. FYI

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I stopped even walking into an Ammo Hoes, those guys are so tacticool and smart I am not allowed in. I left after hearing some of the dumbest advice on optics I have ever heard.

Just because they work at a gun shop they are experts! Reminds me of On Target ! Ha ha half can't even shoot worth anything

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Most of the new guns come with lock. If you buy a gun from a private seller, either the gun should come with a lock from the same manufacturer or you should have bought a new lock in the last 30 days and show the receipt.

This is the first time someone checking the receipt against the lock!!


Btw, Beretta sells CA lock for $0.01 with free shipping.


https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/cab...iant/ud6a0265/
they want 5.95 for shipping
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they want 5.95 for shipping
My bad. Last time I ordered one in 2017, it was free. Iíll update the OP.

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Old 02-17-2019, 7:36 PM
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I’ve recently done two separate PPTs at the Beaumont Indoor Range. Great transaction both times. It’s a family run place and a great place to shoot and prices are reasonable. Casey is very knowledgeable. Both times the gun came with a DOJ approved lock and it wasn’t an issue.

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Ammo bros is worse than Turner's. Next time go to Bullseye sport. You'll be in and out in 15 minutes.
Turners Reseda is at least a 1.5 - 2 hour wait, just to see a gun, 3 hours to pick one up.

Then you have to sign a hell of a lot of papers and wait some more before you can leave.

I'd rather go to ammo bros, they worked with me once before, and I didn't have any major problems.

Ca laws are driving everyone crazy, my bro in AZ spends less on guns, and is usefully in and out within an hour of pick up.
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Old 02-17-2019, 8:25 PM
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I literally stopped going to ammo bros over same type of bs , so yes it is very normal for ammo bros to do dickhead moves like this
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FFS this asinine state and its asinine gun laws put in by asinine people. Yet real criminals have free reign.
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Must be ca approved lock and applies to handguns for long guns use safe affidavit.
Ca State FSD requirement. [all firearms]

A safe affidavit makes a purchaser EXEMPT from Ca-FSD requirements. For ALL FIREARMS. Including handguns.

Fed CSLA requirement. [handguns only]

A locking device capable of rendering a handgun inoperable, must be "present" at time of transfer.

Nothing that comes out of the mouth of an "AMMO LIARS" employee's mouth can be trusted as truthful.
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Old 02-18-2019, 8:20 AM
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Had anyone ever tried to use a receipt like that yet at Ammo Brothers?
^^^^That's a good question.

Bullseye Sport is usually my go to LGS, but I caved into an impulse buy at A/B Riverside.

"Sam" the female counter person was cool, and quite helpful.

Before reading this thread I hadn't really thought that far ahead, but the weapon doesn't come with a lock.

Will they give me static if I bring in a non-Wally World lock with a current (less than 30 day) receipt?
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:36 AM
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Maybe a new manager or they recently caught grief from their DOJ overlord...

The lock receipt thing is really annoying and sucky.

I've now done PPTs at every Ammo Bros in California and I've had generally good experiences. In fact the Riverside one was one of my best (that was over a year ago). I find it depends on who's on duty at the time. At all the Ammo Bros I was always treated well - although the Santa Ana PPT I did was the slowest and the manager was pretty apathetic.

Turner's on the other hand I try to avoid like the plague.
Seems a lot depends with who is working and time of day and day of the week. And if in a panic period or not. Santa Ana if coming in early at non peak time has usually been quite efficient on PPT for me.

I haven't done a PPT at Turner's since around 2002. But I've also greatly curtailed purchases of any kind from Turner's in last 5-10 years or so.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:39 AM
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I’ve recently done two separate PPTs at the Beaumont Indoor Range. Great transaction both times. It’s a family run place and a great place to shoot and prices are reasonable. Casey is very knowledgeable. Both times the gun came with a DOJ approved lock and it wasn’t an issue.

A nice locally run business that deserves our business.
Odd as I haven't been there in a while and service was not good and other have mentioned same. Are they selling guns currently? Must be or they would refuse PPT. Unrelated but I thought this range has a policy in place to steal customers brass?

You all do realize there is an Ammo Brothers vendor subforum here if you want to address management about your concerns?
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:15 AM
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Turners is making me buy a lock for my stripped ar lower.
You *should* be able to do a safe affidavit instead. Good luck.


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I don't know why everyone keeps holding it against the LGS when it is the state that is the one making it more and more difficult to buy a gun.

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It sucks but it is what it is. The method that the gun grabbers use to make it more difficult to buy a gun is to make the process so onerous and so complicated as to make it very inconvenient to go through the process. So some of the gun stores may have devised some ways to make a couple of extra bucks in the process. I can't hold it against them. YOU and I only deal with this every blue moon when we buy or PPT a gun. THEY, on the other hand, have to deal with this crap all day every day.

I'm not endorsing their behavior. It sucks. But I can't blame them either.
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So far I’ve had good luck with Ammo Bros in Cerritos, Santa and Ontario as compared to Turner’s locations. Riflegear is good too. However, I use my gunsmith for almost all my PPTs if the other party agrees. It’s Applied Kinetics in Fullerton and Josh has always been very courteous and accommodating. I’m usually done within 15 mins.
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Odd as I haven't been there in a while and service was not good and other have mentioned same. Are they selling guns currently? Must be or they would refuse PPT. Unrelated but I thought this range has a policy in place to steal customers brass?

You all do realize there is an Ammo Brothers vendor subforum here if you want to address management about your concerns?
Service at Beaumont has always been great when I was there. Sometimes you reap what you sow....

They both sell and rent firearms.

As far as the brass, they do not allow you to collect brass after shooting. If that bothers you, don’t shoot there, but don’t use the term “stealing” brass. You agree to the policy when you choose to shoot there. I asked the owner about it, and he said he uses the recycled brass to offset the cost of running the range. This is also the reason they don’t allow steel or aluminum cased ammo.
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Because I can always return my lock and get my money back from Walmart. Besides, why should I give them my money after all the B.S.?

Btw, I picked up the P7K3 without any issues.
you better hope the store manager doesnít see this post or heíll have you return the gun to the his shop.


ammo bros is San Diego is over-priced, i would much rather go to a Discount Gun Mart
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I don't know why everyone keeps holding it against the LGS when it is the state that is the one making it more and more difficult to buy a gun.
We hold LGS responsible for THEIR OWN ACTIONS.

Yes, the state makes buying and owning firearms difficult. But when a LGS assists the state by making "EXTRA LEGAL" policy requirements which exceed those already imposed by the state. Totally of their own volition, without any state law requiring them to do so. That is not in the best interest of the customer or the LGS. Because customers can and will vote with their wallets to not support such A-holes that go out of their way to make buying firearms even more onerous.

Customers who buy guns believe in 2A. They will or should support LGS that make the process as smooth as possible.

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While not quite "endorsing" their "EXTRA LEGAL" behavior. You openly condone their behavior, by making excuses for their actions. And deflecting blame for their actions onto the state.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:21 PM
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Service at Beaumont has always been great when I was there. Sometimes you reap what you sow....

They both sell and rent firearms.

As far as the brass, they do not allow you to collect brass after shooting. If that bothers you, donít shoot there, but donít use the term ďstealingĒ brass. You agree to the policy when you choose to shoot there. I asked the owner about it, and he said he uses the recycled brass to offset the cost of running the range. This is also the reason they donít allow steel or aluminum cased ammo.
Very true they reap what they sow. They steal customers brass so they get less customers. I'm not the only person that won't shoot there due to that policy.

Plenty of other places to go that don't do that some even allow aluminum and steel cases. I remember when Insights tried that policy it didn't go well for them.

Just like with PPT, choose carefully before going to a range.
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Effin highway robbery
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If your in o.c riflegear is the best place to ppt.super friendly staff and you'll be out the door in 10-15 minutes or so. If your in San Diego area gun fighter tactical is your best choice.
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Ammo Bro in Perris is GTG. Have ppt d several guns there never an issue. No long wait and friendly service. Have also used Riverside without any issues, a little busier but no issues.
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BTW many police,sheriff stations give away free locks, just ask at the counter.
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Very true they reap what they sow. They steal customers brass so they get less customers. I'm not the only person that won't shoot there due to that policy.

Plenty of other places to go that don't do that some even allow aluminum and steel cases. I remember when Insights tried that policy it didn't go well for them.

Just like with PPT, choose carefully before going to a range.
Maybe you should learn the definition of stealing. You donít like their policy, donít shoot there. You agree to the policy when you choose to shoot there, so itís not theft. Accusing them of theft, a crime, when it clearly is not, however, is libel.

Go shoot somewhere else if you donít like it, but stop accusing him of stealing brass.
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BTW many police,sheriff stations give away free locks, just ask at the counter.
years ago, I had the Ammo Bros Cerritos refuse my police issued "child proof safety lock" and made me buy one of theirs...that was the last time I've stepped into an AB.
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I've done a few recent PPT's at AB in Santa Ana and they all went pretty smooth. On two PPT's, the factory gun locks were used with no questions asked. On another PPT, I supplied the lock for buyer which was opened and they checked the gun lock paperwork inside (no issues and they did not ask for a receipt). The folks that I've dealt with at the Santa Ana store have always been professional and friendly.
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I dislike Ammo Brothers.. have ever since they went full potato on ammo prices during the scares. They just come off as a crappy company with "meh" employees.. Although some have been good.
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years ago, I had the Ammo Bros Cerritos refuse my police issued "child proof safety lock" and made me buy one of theirs...that was the last time I've stepped into an AB.
Don't they need a receipt to be able to accept the lock?
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Maybe you should learn the definition of stealing. You donít like their policy, donít shoot there. You agree to the policy when you choose to shoot there, so itís not theft. Accusing them of theft, a crime, when it clearly is not, however, is libel.

Go shoot somewhere else if you donít like it, but stop accusing him of stealing brass.
Do you work there or have some sort of connection to them? Or do they give you a discount because of your ex LE status? Seems I struck a nerve.

Regardless of what I call it it is a lame policy that almost no other range has and yes myself and others choose not to shoot there due to his greed and short-sightedness.

As for steel cases let your buddy know there is a magical device called a magnet he can use to sort it out of the brass.
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Ammo Brothers or Beaumont indoor range or both?
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Don't they need a receipt to be able to accept the lock?
Nope..not these. problem is, some shops don't know about the program.
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Do you work there or have some sort of connection to them? Or do they give you a discount because of your ex LE status? Seems I struck a nerve.

Regardless of what I call it it is a lame policy that almost no other range has and yes myself and others choose not to shoot there due to his greed and short-sightedness.

As for steel cases let your buddy know there is a magical device called a magnet he can use to sort it out of the brass.
I do not work there and I donít have any connection other that I shoot there occasionally. They give a $2 discount to military and first responders, so a lot of people qualify.

I donít go in acting like an anal orifice and they treat me decent, so I go back. Itís the only place Iíve taken my wife where she enjoys shooting.

Their house, their rules.

Can you please stop thread jacking now?

The OPís question was about gun locks for a PPT, which was my original answer.

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Nope..not these. problem is, some shops don't know about the program.
Do you have any more info on that how come you don't need the receipt for those type of locks?
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Most gun shops carry locks and will sell one to you for about six dollars. I find it odd you had to run to walmart to buy one again. Also doesnt Ca require one lock for every gun isnt that a lone breaking the law if you used the same lock at cerritos and santa ana (thats a lot of driving). Plus the receipt has to be valid within 30 days or else an ffl can not legally release the firearm. I dont think it was a power move like one of the posters suggested. Its more like the FFL was following the law.

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Do you have any more info on that how come you don't need the receipt for those type of locks?
I got mine (free) at the Baldwin Park PD many years ago..no receipt given.These are yellow and stamped 'child safety program" on them. I've used it for 3 or 4 PPTs and Ammo Bros were the only ones to refuse it. I havn't bought any new handguns in several years, but I assume it would still fly.
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Most gun shops carry locks and will sell one to you for about six dollars. I find it odd you had to run to walmart to buy one again.

[1]...Also doesnt Ca require one lock for every gun isnt that a lone breaking the law if you used the same lock at cerritos and santa ana (thats a lot of driving).

[2]... Plus the receipt has to be valid within 30 days or else an ffl can not legally release the firearm.

[3]...I dont think it was a power move like one of the posters suggested. Its more like the FFL was following the law.
[1]...Totally incorrect.

[2]...READ the OP.

[3]..."AMMO LIARS" does NOT FOLLOW the LAW. In mid 2015, they received a big shipment of Cheapie Chinese locks.
With their own logo on packaging.
And thereafter implemented a policy of lying to customers. In order to deny them the LAWFUL EXEMPTIONS written into the law. In order to PIMP their OWN LOCKS.

JM2c..........based on personal experience.
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