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Old 02-02-2019, 7:06 PM
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I enjoy fishing but I'm not sure i'd like to spend more than 2 days on a boat.
I'm thinking about a trip to Mexico, going out on a panga fishing 3-4 days and spending the rest of the time relaxing by the pool with a cold one.

Hopefully catch some tuna/ dorado

My question is, Price wise, how is Cabo? Better deals going to La Paz or Manzinillo?

Just looking for the most bang for the buck
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Try Mulege or Loreto, they're more laid back
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Loreto starting in April is wfo on the panga fishing... catching a Marlin in flip fops and fighting it with a bare foot afainst the gunnel like I was bass fishing was savage AF !
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Loreto is the real Baja. I LOVE that place. I’ve traveled all over the world and can’t recommend Loreto enough. Go in summer and slay everything. Spring is good for yellowtail deepwater (200ft). Loreto also has a great airport for direct flights. No beggars and scammers. Just a sweet expat town with normal locals living their life. I spent three weeks a year down there fishing and take the wifey with no concerns.

It’s also an easy drive down. We stay in a motel in SD and then cross the border at 3:00am and hit Loreto by nightfall. Such a cool drive, everyone should do it. Amazing desert and catcus. The multiple checkpoints are easy. Bring old magazines and cold waters/sodas. Toss them to the soldiers and get waved to the front.

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East Cape... Los Bariles. We did it in the Fall of 2017 and had a blast. Fishing was off the first couple of days, but still managed to have a great time on the water and some opportunities, and killed it pretty good the third day.

We stayed at Hotel Buenavista - nice facilities a relatively short van ride from the airport in Cabo.

Hereís a rather long home movie of the trip - soundtrack is pretty good:

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I used to drive down to Loreto three or four times a year back in the 80’s and 90’s, usually camping out on the beach at El Juncalito. Had some great times and good battles down there too... love Baja Sur.

My buddy and I drove down there after my mom passed, in 2005, and it was very late in the season. Not many tourists left, not many out fishing as it had been a pretty tough year anyway, but we took a panga out and had a hell of a day... raised a few sailfish and a couple of marlin, including one that stuck which was my first.

We then found the dodo’s and got them going, and I ended up landing a 45# and 35# along with a whole bunch of smaller models, and we started a rush when we got back and the story got out.

Can’t go wrong with a trip to Loreto either.
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I have few friends who have done Baja Pirates out of La Paz. To a man, they've reported a great time.

http://www.bajapiratesoflapaz.com/
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I enjoy fishing but I'm not sure i'd like to spend more than 2 days on a boat.

I'm thinking about a trip to Mexico, going out on a panga fishing 3-4 days and spending the rest of the time relaxing by the pool with a cold one.



Hopefully catch some tuna/ dorado



My question is, Price wise, how is Cabo? Better deals going to La Paz or Manzinillo?



Just looking for the most bang for the buck
We've been fishing East Cape for 20 years. Fly to Cabo, rent a car, drive north to Los Barriles.

Depending on size of the group we either stay at Rancho Leonero
https://www.rancholeonero.com
or rent a house just next to it.
https://www.vrbo.com/853924 sleeps lots of people so the cost breaks down pretty well. We shop for food in Cabo before heading north but plenty of groceries available in Los Barriles.

Lots of other things to do down there besides fish. Check out Cabo Pulmo, other nearby destinations, etc.

If you stay at Rancho Leonero they'll get you squared away on fishing.

If you rent a house you can book a local panga but best to do your homework ahead of time, get your ducks in a row and get dates inked in with the captains before heading down.





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Mexico is a dump of a country and not safe for Americans.

For the same cost to travel to La Paz and stay in danger and as a target, you can stay in San Diego at a nice place and be safe, and go fishing on the Top Gun 80. The American businesses will appreciate your business.
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Mexico is a dump of a country and not safe for Americans.

For the same cost to travel to La Paz and stay in danger and as a target, you can stay in San Diego at a nice place and be safe, and go fishing on the Top Gun 80. The American businesses will appreciate your business.
Where is you’re sense of “adventure”?
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I have been doing annual trips for 14 years. La Paz is a great combo of safe, good food and very good fishing. Fishermens Fleet or Tailhunter International is a turnkey operation. East Cape / Los Barilles is also cush, more laid back, but the fishing is a little more expensive. I can only speak of Palmas de Cortez, which is 150 yards from where you board the fishing cruisers. The charter service is located at the hotel lobby. If you are really set on the Cabo area, you might look into San Jose del Cabo, which is where the airport is located. Try Gordo Banks Fishing. If you have a car, fish all 3.
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Mexico is a dump of a country and not safe for Americans.

For the same cost to travel to La Paz and stay in danger and as a target, you can stay in San Diego at a nice place and be safe, and go fishing on the Top Gun 80. The American businesses will appreciate your business.
Sorry, no offense, but that is just plain ignorant. I do a LOT of fishing out of San Diego, and have been on the TG80 many times and know Bob and Scotty pretty well. That being said, Baja isnít a dump, for the most part, and is very safe - please donít spread FUD.

The fishing experiences between a longer-range trip out of SD, and a panga or cruiser trip out of BCS, are two totally different things. Both are enjoyable and worthwhile.
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The fishing experiences between a longer-range trip out of SD, and a panga or cruiser trip out of BCS, are two totally different things. Both are enjoyable and worthwhile.
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Just went to Baja for the first time last January. Rented a car and drive all around Baja sur by myself, out late at night etc and I do not apeak a lot of Spanish - felt safe the entire time without question.

It was a great trip (there for a wedding) but didn’t get to fish. I will be back this year for fishing - thanks for all the great advice (accept the part about it being dangerous / a dump which is 100% NOT TRUE)
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Loreto is the real Baja. I LOVE that place. I’ve traveled all over the world and can’t recommend Loreto enough. Go in summer and slay everything. Spring is good for yellowtail deepwater (200ft). Loreto also has a great airport for direct flights. No beggars and scammers. Just a sweet expat town with normal locals living their life. I spent three weeks a year down there fishing and take the wifey with no concerns.

It’s also an easy drive down. We stay in a motel in SD and then cross the border at 3:00am and hit Loreto by nightfall. Such a cool drive, everyone should do it. Amazing desert and catcus. The multiple checkpoints are easy. Bring old magazines and cold waters/sodas. Toss them to the soldiers and get waved to the front.
I've been doing BoLA on the Cortez side and Bahia Tortugas on the Pacific side for many years for both spearfishing and H&L and always enjoy it. We drive and make an adventure out of it - I started taking my son when he turned 14 - I have never had an issue outside of Tijuana or Ensenada, and those were mostly self-induced due to stupid college kid behavior.

There is simply nothing like fishing for 40 lb yellows in bare feet and trunks, then jumping on a paddy in 82ļ water and shooting dorado while being circled by hammerhead sharks. Then spending evenings with cold beer and ceviche.

Baja is not for the lazy or for the timid. It is not for people who are uncomfortable with uncertainty or unable to adapt to changing situations. It is not for the unprepared. But for the right kind of people, Baja remains one of the greatest sources of joy.





I'm with the OP - I don't like multi-day fishing trips very much, so panga fishing is perfect for me. Its more work, but its also more rewarding in terms of the personal connection to the pangero and his craft. It used to be that you could arrive in a small town late in the afternoon, drive around and meet a few people and then find a pangero to take you out the next morning for $100 or so in his 15' boat powered by a 25 or 40 hp Yamaha two-stroke. Nowadays most pangeros have switched to much bigger but much more comfortable 22' to 30' "super pangas" with Honda 225s and the price has gone up to $400 or more and need to be booked well in advance.

This past summer I noticed illegal Totuava fishermen (and the narcos that traffic their product) had moved farther south from the mainland coast and have taken over many of my favorite reefs in BoLA with gill nets so now I'm considering other options, which saddens me greatly.

Deckhandmike - When you say you fly into Loreto, do you fly on Spirit from TJ or are you flying from the States? I've never fished Loreto, but its on my list... [EDIT] It looks like Alaska flies direct from LAX 4 days a week and flights are about $380 RT for the "cheap seats". What do you end up paying for luggage and return with fish?
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or la paz Mulege you have to getride from loreto, We used to fly our plane in to loreto or mulege

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
No, i'm not set on Cabo. That's why i'm asking about other places too.
I've heard that Cabo is way over priced and " Americanized" now.
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Where is youíre sense of ďadventureĒ?
Some years ago on the RRIII, my friend decided to take a shower as the boat was clearing the north point of Cedros, putting us in some nice trough.

That was enough adventure for him.

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We fly LAX on Alaska. I don’t bring coolers with me, they charge $ stateside to fly with even when empty. They have a used cooler stand in Loreto because guys suck at fishing and leave there extra ones and I buy coolers for like 15$ as I fill them. On the way back I give the baggage guy 20$ and he loads all my stuff for no extra weight fees.

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We fly LAX on Alaska. I donít bring coolers with me, they charge $ stateside to fly with even when empty. They have a used cooler stand in Loreto because guys suck at fishing and leave there extra ones and I buy coolers for like 15$ as I fill them. On the way back I give the baggage guy 20$ and he loads all my stuff for no extra weight fees.
Do you take your own rods/reels or rent?
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Depends who I fish with. Usually the local tackle is “sufficient”. The guys I fish with have everything I need already down their. I’ve brought poles, sometimes just reels and tackle. Just depends on how much crap you want to bring. I’d avoid bringing stuff if I can. I like to travel light. The better panga boats usually have pretty decent stuff.
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This is why the Mexican government laughs at us when we complain about illegal immigration. Dont spend money in Mexico! Go to Hawaii. Screw Mexico. If all the stupid Gringos stopped going on vacation to Mexico, we'd have their government taking our concerns seriously within months. My ancestors left Mexico over a hundred years ago. It was a chithole then and its a chithole now. I will NEVER go to Mexico. My wife is a Mexican immigrant and she will Never go to Mexico ever again. Stop spending money in Mexico dagnabit!
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You can't pack your reels in carry-on luggage coming back from Mexico. They have to be in checked bags. Last time I came back from PV, I crimped some looped ends on 200# wire, ran it through my reels, and shackled them inside my checked bags with non-TSA locks.
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You can't pack your reels in carry-on luggage coming back from Mexico. They have to be in checked bags. Last time I came back from PV, I crimped some looped ends on 200# wire, ran it through my reels, and shackled them inside my checked bags with non-TSA locks.
What reason do they state for not allowing you to bring reels on your carry-on? That sounds like BS to me. No way I'm checking $500 reels on a flight from Mexico...
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I’ve never heard of no reels in the carry on but it’s been a few years so who knows?
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I went to bay of LA last year and it was pretty epic YT fishing. They also get grouper, White Sea bass and dorado some parts of the year.
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I used to go ensensda every summer rent a pangero and fish hours loved so much ,never had any problems , beer and frsh fish tacos, use catch dorados ,bonitas, berracuda,
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Been fishing Baja since I was 11...I'm 64 now.. Lots of great spots, but I would avoid Cabo at all costs. not because of safety, but because its a turist trap. There are wayyyyybetter places. I like la Paz a lot, Loretto is good as well.
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Been fishing Baja since I was 11...I'm 64 now.. Lots of great spots, but I would avoid Cabo at all costs. not because of safety, but because its a turist trap. There are wayyyyybetter places. I like la Paz a lot, Loretto is good as well.
Thats what i was looking to hear.
I've heard the same thing from others
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I recommend booking a hotel/fishing package thru one of the bigger booking services. We like to stay at the Los Arcos in La Paz. They take you in a van to the boats in the morning (about a 40 min ride) The boats fish around the local Islands. They will fillet & ice for you and even cook it at the hotel if you like. Older hotel, not real fancy, but clean & nice. Cool part is that your right in the middle of town so you can walk to other bars, resturants & shops. You will have a ball...all for 1/2 of what Cabo will soak you. let us know how your trip worked out (where ever you go)
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I did a little research, watched a few videos and decided to go to Marathon, Florida in the Keys. Looks like i can catch most of the same species of fish plus a few more. Prices are about $800 a day for 4 of us on a 26' Parker. Hopefully a bit safer than Ol Me-he-Co
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I did a little research, watched a few videos and decided to go to Marathon, Florida in the Keys. Looks like i can catch most of the same species of fish plus a few more. Prices are about $800 a day for 4 of us on a 26' Parker. Hopefully a bit safer than Ol Me-he-Co
Sounds like fun. Logistically it will probably be easier, especially if no one speaks Spanish. But it will be less of an "adventure" and the fish tacos and ceviche wont' be as good. :-)

It always amazes me what a bargain charter fishing trips are compared to hunting. For the price of a 1-day hog hunt for one person, you're getting a $150,000 boat + 4 guys plus all the fuel you burn, bait, (maybe even tackle?) and a full day of fishing. Bargain. Baja would be 1/2 that, but still a bargain compared to hunting!
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When weather warms up I am taking boat to La Salina marina between Rosarito beach and Ensenada. Very reasonable dock fees and access to offshore fishing there. Air bnb's in area for accomodations. Good security at marina . Have to get my boat permit at consulate, visa and fishing license. I have 2 4 strokes on boat and runs great.
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Sounds like fun. Logistically it will probably be easier, especially if no one speaks Spanish. But it will be less of an "adventure" and the fish tacos and ceviche wont' be as good. :-)

It always amazes me what a bargain charter fishing trips are compared to hunting. For the price of a 1-day hog hunt for one person, you're getting a $150,000 boat + 4 guys plus all the fuel you burn, bait, (maybe even tackle?) and a full day of fishing. Bargain. Baja would be 1/2 that, but still a bargain compared to hunting!
My last successful hog hunt cost me twenty bucks in fuel. Fishing is way more expensive.
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Maybe he forgot the plane tickets/ gas and time to go down there and fish. I drive 1 hour to get a hog.
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Originally Posted by 1911man View Post
Maybe he forgot the plane tickets/ gas and time to go down there and fish. I drive 1 hour to get a hog.
First, please don't misunderstand me with regard to the value of hiring a hunting guide - I have always enjoyed my guided hunts and have always come away with more knowledge than I started with (in addition to game I would not have been able to harvest without the guide's expertise and access to the land). I already have several guided hunts planned for this Spring. I don't have access to private land with hogs, so I have to hire a guide if I want to hunt hogs. But these hunts are more expensive than guided fishing trips of similar duration. Always.

I'm not comparing fishing to self-guided hunting on land I have access to. I'm also not comparing to fishing with a buddy on my own boat. Both of those are dramatically less expensive than fully guided trips, obviously.

What I'm comparing is a GUIDED hunt on someone else's PRIVATE land to a GUIDED fishing trip on someone else's boat. If you compare those "apples to apples" I think the fishing usually seems like a bargain in comparison.

In this specific example, compare the following:
  • Day of guided fishing for 4 guys on someone else's boat ($800) = $200 per person
  • Day of guided hog hunt on someone else's land = $600 to $1,000/person

By my math, the fishing trip is about 1/4 the price of the hunting trip for a full day outing. That's why I called it a "relative bargain".

Now if anyone disagreeing with me wants to share their $20 hog hunting trips, I'd gladly pay you 5 times that amount for as many trips as you'd like to arrange.
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