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Old 05-22-2018, 9:24 AM
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Default Pet peeve, the multiple racking of weapons to clear, am I the only one?

So I am looking at getting a pistol mounted light. I found s stresmlight video on mounting them, and the first thing the guy does is rack the slide on his weapon like 10 times.

At the Citadel, guys would work the op rod of their M-14 the same way, over and over and over like a mental patient.

I personally rack the slide to the rear, use the bolt or slide lock, then visually and with a finger check to see if the chamber area is clear.

Not a huge deal, but I see it a lot and for some reason it always bugs me. I was at a class recently, and some guys cleared that way: rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, trigger pull. Most didnít perform any check other than the spastic racking seizure.

Am I the only one?

Can anyone think of a clever way to tell me to lighten up?
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Its just like shaking more than once after a piss, sometimes you want that extra assurance.....
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Its just like shaking more than once after a piss, sometimes you want that extra assurance.....
Itís actually VERY like shaking vigorously after a piss....for a couple minutes...
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Either double the dose or cut it in half, cuz what you're taking now isn't working?

Now that that's out of the way, I agree. Proper clearing of a firearm doesn't need to be so clatterful and noisey. Like you, I prefer a more diagnostic approach- open, lock, visually inspect, physically confirm, close.
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It is annoying, but I think it's a subliminal thing that arises out of an abundance of caution to make absolutely sure there is not a round in the chamber.

Or, it could just be an Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Either way, it is preferable to not even checking.
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For a fixed mag weapon. Not such bad idea.
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Can anyone think of a clever way to tell me to lighten up?
I used to feel like you do, now I do the 3 rack thing myself. Here's why I changed. Glock. When I store my Glock pistols unloaded, I clear them and release the striker.

I realized I was training myself to rack the slide and pull the trigger, so I started the 3 rack thing to make the clearing operation intuitively different than the charging operation. I've never had an ND but I could see where if I was tired or distracted or whatever I could make a mistake more easily with a single rack-to-clear.

My process now is remove mag, 3 racks, thumb up on slide release on 3rd rack, inspect, release, drop striker.


If one always does everything perfectly it's not an issue, but I like layers of safety.
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My SOP day time:
Pull mag out
Lock slide open
Eyeball breach
Confirmed clear.

My SOP for low light is the same except tactile breach check instead of eyeballed.

Multi rackers are being ego centric uber tactical IMO. Plus there's the CDI factor. CDI = chicks dig it.
All multi rackers claim it's just for added safety tho. Kinda like press checkers.
Annoying, but still worthy of my indifference.
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I do it sometimes, but not 10+ times.

I do it when I reassemble my gun, so I can feel if anything is sticking. I also do it before putting my gun away after shooting to make double-extra sure it is clear and to see if it is still working properly.

When I am at the range or at home, I just do it 1 time.

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Itís actually VERY like shaking vigorously after a piss....for a couple minutes...
Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't make eye contact with the guy next to you...

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Itís actually VERY like shaking vigorously after a piss....for a couple minutes...
Only way to be sure you have unloaded yer firearm.
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Its just like shaking more than once after a piss, sometimes you want that extra assurance.....
Understand, but what if the ejector malfunctions each and every time and a round remains?

I lock the slide back and do a visual inspection. Rack, rack, rack, rack, etc......is just dumb.
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I used to feel like you do, now I do the 3 rack thing myself. Here's why I changed. Glock. When I store my Glock pistols unloaded, I clear them and release the striker.

I realized I was training myself to rack the slide and pull the trigger, so I started the 3 rack thing to make the clearing operation intuitively different than the charging operation. I've never had an ND but I could see where if I was tired or distracted or whatever I could make a mistake more easily with a single rack-to-clear.

My process now is remove mag, 3 racks, thumb up on slide release on 3rd rack, inspect, release, drop striker.


If one always does everything perfectly it's not an issue, but I like layers of safety.
Why? Isnít the lock back to confirm visually and tactiley (?) ďdifferentĒ than charging it? Itís a totally different sequence.
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In my GLOCK armorers class, our lead instructor, Dennis Tueller, taught us to rack three times. I follow that instruction religiously.
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I rack my slide 3 times while saying "there's no place like home!"
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...rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, rack, trigger pull....
The trigger pull comes from USPSA (and I believe IDPA) range procedure. When showing clear following completion of a stage the last act before holstering is to drop the hammer (or release the striker) with a pull of the trigger.

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In my GLOCK armorers class, our lead instructor, Dennis Tueller, taught us to rack three times. I follow that instruction religiously.
That might make some sense. But as Voltaire said, "Once, a philosopher. Twice (or four times if a Glock armorer), a pervert."
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Rule number one is all guns are loaded all the time, so better check it one more time before pulling the trigger in my house, I gave precious ones all around me.
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Rule number one is all guns are loaded all the time, so better check it one more time before pulling the trigger in my house, I gave precious ones all around me.
The point is, itís NOT checking, and itís certainly not better than twice. If the extractor is not working, itís false security. Rack, then visually check and put a finger in there. Far better and safer than rackrackrackrackrackrackASSume itís clear, no?
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YouTube might have had an influence on turning people into multi rackers and showing the camera an empty breach to the point of ridiculousness.
Anecdotally speaking I never saw many multi racker/press checkers prior to the free online gun du jour reviewer amateurs doing it to avoid negative comments. Peer pressure and corporate TOS hoop jumping may have played a roll.
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I, over time just naturally went to the 3 rack then slide lock. then of course after checking it is clear, send the slide home and trigger pull to store the gun. i don't like to store my guns cocked since there is no point as there is no round in the chamber. i would have to rack the slide to load anyways so it will get cocked during that process.


The only time I rack multiple times is right after a cleaning. It is mostly to make sure the oil/grease is spread out and the gun is functioning as it should.
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Why? Isnít the lock back to confirm visually and tactiley (?) ďdifferentĒ than charging it? Itís a totally different sequence.
Usually they are a little different, but I want them to be completely different. YMMV.

FWIW I don't see much use in endlessly racking the thing either.
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The trigger pull comes from USPSA (and I believe IDPA) range procedure. When showing clear following completion of a stage the last act before holstering is to drop the hammer (or release the striker) with a pull of the trigger.



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Here's what I do:

rack rack rack "Penny" rack rack rack "Penny" rack rack rack "Penny"

There is no such thing as too much rack.
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Itís actually VERY like shaking vigorously after a piss....for a couple minutes...
If you do this I think it can be construed as something else...
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I came across a bathroom sign that said something to the effect of "a quick shake is fine, but more than 2 shakes means you're just playing with yourself" That might apply here for the multi-rackers.
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When I was 10 my father gave me grandfathers Remington .22 pump gallery gun. After some shooting and getting bored with feeding the ammo tube I decided to quit shooting. I had fired the last round and racked the pump to clear the chamber. I looked into the chamber and saw it was clear. I don't know why but I decided to rack it a few more times. One the 3rd rack a live round ejected. I guess it had been stuck in the tubular magazine.

With any fixed mag firearm I have I still give it a few extra racks to this day. No so much on the detachable mag firearms.
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rack rack rack "Penny" rack rack rack "Penny" rack rack rack "Penny"

There is no such thing as too much rack.
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I think the multi-rack thing is stupid.
The people who I see doing it don't visually or physically verify that the chamber is empty. That seems to be pretty common. If the extractor is worn or broken and doesn't extract the cartridge, racking it a whole bunch of times isn't necessarily going to extract it. And I really don't get the people who remove the mag, eject a cartridge from the camber, and then rack it a whole bunch of times. Another round isn't going to magically appear in the chamber without a feed source...
I've also seen people shoot a course of fire until the gun locks open, immediately close the slide, bring the gun to high compressed ready, and then press check it. Why not just check the chamber before closing the slide? My guess is they're the tacticool retards.
It's not that complicated. Remove the feed source, open the action, then visually and physically check the chamber.
Fixed mag guns might be slightly different, but the same principle applies. Open the action and visually/physically check the chamber.

In my opinion, racking the slide a bunch of times without bothering to check the chamber is the sign of an amateur.
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10 racks is excessive. But I am guilty of the 3 to 4 racks. I wish I could explain why I do it but I can't. Just a habit that probably doesn't serve any purpose.

Same reason why after I empty the cylinder on my revolver, I give it one spin before I close it. No reason other than it's fun.
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As a member is the range staff, and having been present during several NDs, I teach people to rack the poop out of stuff. It's simply teaching to the lowest common denominator. Personally I'll rack it two or three times. But I'm all about teach people to rack it like crazy.

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No way I would rack the slide multiple times. Once with visual and pinky check.

Try racking an open bolt machine gun multiple times without touching the trigger.
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I'm also a fan of locking the action back and being able to visually and physically inspect the chamber.
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I pull back and lock the slide, visually inspect and, if lighting is poor, use a finger to double check.

then I power rack the slide three times. then I rack off my belt buckle, followed by two racks off the closest piece of furniture using my support side hand. then I do a barrel roll and switch back to strong side for two racks off my left shoe, before popping back up into my best charlies angels pose and informing everyone that the weapon is clear.
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I came across a bathroom sign that said something to the effect of "a quick shake is fine, but more than 2 shakes means you're just playing with yourself" That might apply here for the multi-rackers.
Exactly. After one or two racks & a visual inspection, the rest of the racks are just playing with the gun 'cuz it's fun.
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As a member is the range staff, and having been present during several NDs, I teach people to rack the poop out of stuff. It's simply teaching to the lowest common denominator. Personally I'll rack it two or three times. But I'm all about teach people to rack it like crazy.

Sorry I've been teaching ppl to annoy you.
Why not teach them to open the action and visually/physically check the chamber? Or do you teach that racking it a lot and checking it?
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Here's what I do:

rack rack rack "Penny" rack rack rack "Penny" rack rack rack "Penny"

There is no such thing as too much rack.
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