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Old 05-07-2019, 6:24 AM
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Default Fair Warning - Camping In Marin County Campgrounds

Marin County Park Police will, without call nor complaint, regularly inspect occupied and paid for campsites in Marin County run camping areas, and they will cite you, without warning, if they can find anything to write you up for...

My adult son (21 y/o) was camping over the past weekend with his adult lady friend in a Marin County run campground and had Marin County Park Police walk into his paid campsite “just to say hello” both Friday and Saturday evening at dusk, there was no warning of this LEO evening campsite inspection when he checked in with the campsite office. Two of Marin’s finest we’re doing this, one engaging with campers, the other looking around...

Some young people two campsite down got MIP tickets for drinking beer, a Marin K9 Sheriff unit responded to accentuate the joy for all the campers there that Friday night..

I’d give those two revenue trawlers a piece of my mind if they walked into my campsite fishing like that, but I’m old and cranky

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Old 05-07-2019, 6:39 AM
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What is a MIP ticket???


Last time I went to a public camp sight... losers came in late night 2

Loud subwoofer in car
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In the morning, they tossed all their left over scrap lumber into the fire pit and left.

We were over pulling wood out of the fire and trying to get it under control when the eager showed up.

After initially yelling at us for the fire, he realized we were helping and not the D bags who built a bonfire and then left.


So yeah, some areas have rangers.... for a reason....
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MIP=Minor in possession. They simply got caught.
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Last time I went to a car camping site I was with my girlfriend (now wife). We were completely naked in the tent one morning and a ranger was asking us to come out to talk to him. We opened the tent and invited him in for a chat. Never seen anyone turn so red. Never saw him again. I figured out later that we didn’t have our tag in the car window and he was probably coming to ask us about it. lol

Most of the rangers I’ve encountered have been helpful and cool. They have to deal with a lot of drunk idiots who feel entitled to do whatever they want. If you’re not an idiot they’ll leave you alone.
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From your story, I’m trying to figure out what was the “campsite inspection”. Did the officers search your sons tent or car? Did they ask for ID and pat them down for no reason? Did they come a shoot your sons dog? Rangers or other LEOs have always walked around, into campsites to check on things. I don’t think this is a Marin County thing, nor a big deal.

I’m guessing you’ve never had a BLM officer or Ranger stop and talk to you while shooting or hunting either.

Yes I understand it’s your right not to be harassed, stoped for no reason, or searched by police. But if you want police to patrol and enforce laws, you kind of have to have some interaction with them.
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From your story, I’m trying to figure out what was the “campsite inspection”. Did the officers search your sons tent or car? Did they ask for ID and pat them down for no reason? Did they come a shoot your sons dog? Rangers or other LEOs have always walked around, into campsites to check on things. I don’t think this is a Marin County thing, nor a big deal.

I’m guessing you’ve never had a BLM officer or Ranger stop and talk to you while shooting or hunting either.

Yes I understand it’s your right not to be harassed, stoped for no reason, or searched by police. But if you want police to patrol and enforce laws, you kind of have to have some interaction with them.
If it were me, I would have no objection to a cruiser doing a slow drive through the campground, once a day, that seems appropriate if they have the manpower to spare. Having officers get out and engage with the campers... especially as was said, one talking to the campers to keep them distracted while the other goes poking around, peeking in tents, opening coolers etc - that seems unnecessarily obtrusive unless they are following up a tip of some kind. And to have that not just once, but two consecutive days... (?) really? I'd like to know the motivation behind that and whether it's perceived as commonplace.
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If it were me, I would have no objection to a cruiser doing a slow drive through the campground, once a day, that seems appropriate if they have the manpower to spare. Having officers get out and engage with the campers... especially as was said, one talking to the campers to keep them distracted while the other goes poking around, peeking in tents, opening coolers etc - that seems unnecessarily obtrusive unless they are following up a tip of some kind. And to have that not just once, but two consecutive days... (?) really? I'd like to know the motivation behind that and whether it's perceived as commonplace.


I agree that if they’re poking around your tent, vehicle, coolers that’s over the line. But the OP said the officers walked into his sons campsite and said hello. Not sure what what there is to complain about with that.
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Saturday night past while at Hungry Valley OHV, while we were sitting around the campfire at around 10:30 pm, I heard my dog bumping around in the motorhome. It was my shakedown cruise with my first ever RV (usd but new to me).

I walked around checking things out and found a side window on my moho shot out with a pellet gun.
I yelled out to the campsite across the way, the only place that could have shot out the window, only to have them continue to shoot.
My 4x4 club buddies jumped in their vehicles and drove up on them lighting them up leaving me to run over there. One guy stayed behind calling the rangers.
The dumbasses were shooting at the backside of a sign with my moho directly behind, about 60-70 yards away.
It was a group of younger Hispanics (PC?), shooting out the window was not intentional, I believe that, but sucks just the same.

The 19 year old that stepped up to accept responsibility ended up arrested and off to jail on 'other offenses' and had his vehicle towed away. The rest of his posse were escorted out of Hungry Valley by the rangers.

Rangers were on top of it and very professional, I wish they had done an inspect of these guys campsites before they shot out my window.

The sign they were shooting at with my moho behind, dumbasses.

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I’m guessing you’ve never had a BLM officer or Ranger stop and talk to you while shooting or hunting either.
No, I have had encounters with BLM officers, NP Rangers and Fish and Game officers/wardens in several States, most of them were because I initiated the contact.

You know what I've never had happened to me, county park LEO's walking into my paid for campsite without provocation and/or a call that illegal activity or an annoyance was happening...I've been camping in paid camp grounds all over the West for the past 50-years...

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I don’t think this is a Marin County thing, nor a big deal.

Yes I understand it’s your right not to be harassed, stoped for no reason, or searched by police. .
No, I don't think you understand it that well.
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I agree that if they’re poking around your tent, vehicle, coolers that’s over the line. But the OP said the officers walked into his sons campsite and said hello. Not sure what what there is to complain about with that.
I wrote that one LEO engaged the campers while the other LEO was looking around.

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I agree that if they’re poking around your tent, vehicle, coolers that’s over the line. But the OP said the officers walked into his sons campsite and said hello. Not sure what what there is to complain about with that.
He also said they cited a couple of minors in possession. Not sure how they'd know, if they didn't do more than wave and say "hi" on their way past the campsite. There had to be a little more than a friendly wave as they strolled past to justify the MIP citation.
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Hey, look guys, if you're okay with it then have a nice day and nite at your campsite...I, on the other hand, would take offense to such LEO activities, especially the second nite it happened...
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He also said they cited a couple of minors in possession. Not sure how they'd know, if they didn't do more than wave and say "hi" on their way past the campsite. There had to be a little more than a friendly wave as they strolled past to justify the MIP citation.
The county park LEO's were walking into campsites, they weren't just walking by on the road out in front of the campsites.

I'm not sure how he found out the other campers were cited, I'll ask him...
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No, I have had encounters with BLM officers, NP Rangers and Fish and Game officers/wardens in several States, most of them were because I initiated the contact.

You know what I've never had happened to me, county park LEO's walking into my paid for campsite without provocation and/or a call that illegal activity or an annoyance was happening...I've been camping in paid camp grounds all over the West for the past 50-years...

No, I don't think you understand it that well.


I see your point about this. I just don’t think this is that un-normal.

They sited the MIPs. Do you think that it’s possible that maybe this campground has a higher rate of problems, there for they patrol it heavier? Kind of like if you live in South Central your more likely to have interactions with police than if you lived in Beverly Hills?

Sorry your upset about it. Not being a smart ***, maybe your son should file a complaint or at least make a phone call to that department.

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My guess is they are tired of homeless setting up camp; minors drinking; people not paying; illegal fires; etc. The few always screw it up for the many. My other guess is that somewhere on the money envelope, or however you pay, there is some kind of acknowledgement that inspections may occur.
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Let me guess, They were at Lawsons? If so this has been normal for a long time. Most likely someone from an adjacent site called on them. I camp there frequently and used to go years ago when it was much rowdier. Lawsons has been fairly on top of that for a few years now. Cant be too upset with the officers EVERY camp ground on the coast has you sign an agreement to terms and minors drinking is a no go on all of them. I was young and rowdy once too and yeah it would have sucked to get popped but rules are rules.
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Were the minors blasting loud music, being loud, and being obnoxious. It wouldn't surprise me if someone called the cops to complain, just to shut the party down. I've seen it happen.
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Let me guess, They were at Lawsons? If so this has been normal for a long time. Most likely someone from an adjacent site called on them...I was young and rowdy once too and yeah it would have sucked to get popped but rules are rules.
Pantoll...My 21 y/o son wasn't cited and the county park LEO's were walking into campsites on both Friday and Saturday nights, his and the campsites around him.


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Last time I went camping at a camp ground was few years back. Was actually pretty fun and had no issues with rangers showing up. It was packed to, just recall them driving around a few times.
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I just went camping. Had a run in with a National Forest Ranger. In the past they have only been interested in knowing we were OK and enjoying ourselves. This time they were down right hostile for no reason at all.
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I don't see a problem. Keep the AH's out or cite them.
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Issues like this are why I haven't camped at designated campsites in years. Either you have to listen to someone els's radio/phone all day, or the drunks keep you up all night; or if not, the rangers wander into your campsite -- which is your home and yard for the night -- like they own the place. That's totally intrusive and un-American.

I think all you/your family can do it file a formal complaint about it. Of course little would happen directly, but it still does a fair bit of good. Consider that complaints and discipline against LEOs have now become public record in California. That way, the next time self-righteous rangers/police want to "say hi", they will have this idea in the back of their mind that if they don't treat people with respect, there are consequences. Not just the unpleasantness of having their boss review the complaint, but knowing these kinds of issues could be combined with others and have future, publicly known consequences.
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They can't enter your campsite w/o probable cause or a warrant. The courts consider the space to be your temporary residence, just like a hotel room or RV. Only fish cops have special rights for search and inspection.
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This happens all the time. Campsites are common “party” spots for minors. I’m from Marin and minors drinking at state parks is the norm. Cops were out doing there job. If you look 21 years old and are two spots away from minors drinking you can most likely expect a brief visit to make sure everything looks legit. Would you rather everyone drinks, parties and drives off?
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Marin County Park Police will, without call nor complaint, regularly inspect occupied and paid for campsites in Marin County run camping areas, and they will cite you, without warning, if they can find anything to write you up for...

My adult son (21 y/o) was camping over the past weekend with his adult lady friend in a Marin County run campground and had Marin County Park Police walk into his paid campsite “just to say hello” both Friday and Saturday evening at dusk, there was no warning of this LEO evening campsite inspection when he checked in with the campsite office. Two of Marin’s finest we’re doing this, one engaging with campers, the other looking around...

Some young people two campsite down got MIP tickets for drinking beer, a Marin K9 Sheriff unit responded to accentuate the joy for all the campers there that Friday night..

I’d give those two revenue trawlers a piece of my mind if they walked into my campsite fishing like that, but I’m old and cranky

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You guys need to see how the blm ranger clowns can be at glamis.This can be normal behavior for them they love to find a reason to cite you and love to pee down on you.If driving down gecko rd they will say your lic plate is out for an excuse to stop you.hit 16 mph in the 15 they will stop you.

Remember the usfs officer kem marcus hes down there on holiday weekends he fits right in there hes already pretty known there.
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We met one Dbag Cal Forest LE in all the years being up there. This guy was confiscating weapons, writing tickets and pretending he was judge and jury and they ended up firing the guy based on all his actions. I'm sure there are plenty of wealthy outdoorsmen that can afford $$ attorneys.
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We met one Dbag Cal Forest LE in all the years being up there. This guy was confiscating weapons, writing tickets and pretending he was judge and jury and they ended up firing the guy based on all his actions. I'm sure there are plenty of wealthy outdoorsmen that can afford $$ attorneys.
There was a Federal park ranger in El Dorado county that acted like that. He got so bad the Sheriff withdrew the Feds ability to enforce California law. The parks service transferred the idiot to southern cal.
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There was a Federal park ranger in El Dorado county that acted like that. He got so bad the Sheriff withdrew the Feds ability to enforce California law. The parks service transferred the idiot to southern cal.
Ten bucks same guy. They even said they transferred him from up North vs firing him. Short squatty white dude with tude?
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Hey, look guys, if you're okay with it then have a nice day and nite at your campsite...I, on the other hand, would take offense to such LEO activities, especially the second nite it happened...
A campsite is basically your home, which is why you can carry a gun within its perimeter. LE just strolling in to look around would be the equivalent of a warrantless search right?
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There was a Federal park ranger in El Dorado county that acted like that. He got so bad the Sheriff withdrew the Feds ability to enforce California law. The parks service transferred the idiot to southern cal.
Thats ken marcus i mentioned on my post he helps out BLM rangers at the dunes on big weekends he fits right in with them.
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There have been quite a few murders and rapes in Marin County wilderness areas.


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