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Old 07-10-2019, 11:09 AM
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Default Streak "tracers" legal?

Since thet don't ignite or burn are they still banned - I know the ones of this type(glow phosphate) for shotguns were legal.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:26 AM
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Did you even look at the link you provided?
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I saw them in AZ. Looked into it and couldn't find anything saying they are illegal.
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(a) As used in Sections 16510, 16520, and 16780, and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 18710) of Division 5 of Title 2, “destructive device” includes any of the following weapons:

(1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.
Unfortunately it looks like any projectile containing a "chemical substance" and not manufactured for a shotgun is a "destructive device" in California.

Not sure what "chemical substance" means. Seems to me lead alloy would be a "chemical substance." Just another terribly written CA law I guess.

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Old 07-10-2019, 11:49 AM
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Did you even look at the link you provided?
Pray tell - what did I miss?
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Not sure what "chemical substance" means. Seems to me lead alloy would be a "chemical substance." Just another terribly written CA law I guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_substance
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Two or more elements combined into one substance through a chemical reaction form a chemical compound.
So if you allow your bullets to oxadize (a chemical reaction), resulting in a composition of copper oxide (a chemical substance), it satisfies the legal definition of a destructive device in CA.

possession of a DD in Ca is a felony (18710), the main defense to a DD possession charge is being unaware of the item being a DD.

https://www.losangelescriminallawyer...uctive-de.html
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4. Defenses to Possessing Destructive Devices

As discussed above if the defendant did not knowingly possess the destructive device, or did not know that it was destructive, he or she would have a strong defense against any criminal prosecution. Additionally, if the prohibited item is an antique, like a historic cannon or rifle, possessing it would not be a crime.
So now that you know the laws and definitions.... letting your bullets oxidize is a felony. Good luck.
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Pray tell - what did I miss?
First thing I clicked on at the top of the page - store locator. First retailer clicked - in stock in SD, CA.

I just dont understand when information is available on a vendors website why so many people choose to ask social media instead.
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Available at sportsman warehouse for $12.99/20 rounds of 9mm.
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First thing I clicked on at the top of the page - store locator. First retailer clicked - in stock in SD, CA.

I just dont understand when information is available on a vendors website why so many people choose to ask social media instead.
You know ammo inc sells more than just streak ammo, right? Like- they sell regular loads. They're just listing their retailers.

You're basically arguing that since sig makes the p365 and turners sells sigs in CA, you must be able to buy a sig p356, brand new, at turners in CA.

You chastised someone else for being stupid when the stupid was actually on your side of the screen. Well done.
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:34 PM
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You know ammo inc sells more than just streak ammo, right? Like- they sell regular loads. They're just listing their retailers.

You're basically arguing that since sig makes the p365 and turners sells sigs in CA, you must be able to buy a sig p356, brand new, at turners in CA.

You chastised someone else for being stupid when the stupid was actually on your side of the screen. Well done.
And bravo to you sir for assuming.

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Cool. Swing by and get some. BTW- they have suppressors on shelves today too. Be a dear and pick one of those up as well, would ya?

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is this the ammo with the glow in dark paint that requires UV light to activate?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_substance

So if you allow your bullets to oxadize (a chemical reaction), resulting in a composition of copper oxide (a chemical substance), it satisfies the legal definition of a destructive device in CA.

possession of a DD in Ca is a felony (18710), the main defense to a DD possession charge is being unaware of the item being a DD.

https://www.losangelescriminallawyer...uctive-de.html


So now that you know the laws and definitions.... letting your bullets oxidize is a felony. Good luck.

Furthermore

The DD law as written by the inept morons in Excremento, includes each and every firearm projectile in the state. UNLESS, it is made of PURE LEAD< COPPER< etc, etc, etc.

When two or more metallic elements are combined to form a "chemical substance" it is called an alloy.
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is this the ammo with the glow in dark paint that requires UV light to activate?
Sort of - gets activated by burning powder flash
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Furthermore

The DD law as written by the inept morons in Excremento, includes each and every firearm projectile in the state. UNLESS, it is made of PURE LEAD< COPPER< etc, etc, etc.

When two or more metallic elements are combined to form a "chemical substance" it is called an alloy.
Two oxygen atoms are a chemical substance. Basically, everything on earth is a chemical substance.
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First thing I clicked on at the top of the page - store locator. First retailer clicked - in stock in SD, CA.

I just dont understand when information is available on a vendors website why so many people choose to ask social media instead.
Vendors in California sell tannerite.
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Vendors in California sell tannerite.
This game is fun... grocery stores sell alcohol, so can my 10 year old niece grab me a bottle of Jack Daniels on her way home from elementary school?
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I would hope your 10 year old niece has better taste in booze than Jack Daniels.
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They are selling that at Ammo Depot. I said wtf?? The counter guy said. It dont burn..its ok to sell.
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They sell them at my local big box sporting goods store.

I was in Nevada a month or so ago and shot a bunch of 9mm, 45, and 38 versions of them. They kind of work, but are unimpressive.

I won't be buying any more.
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When two or more metallic elements are combined to form a "chemical substance" it is called an alloy.
Strictly speaking, an alloy of elemental materials is not a chemical substance because you can still separate the materials using physical methods.

Still, yeah...

“Any projectile containing any... ...chemical substance...”

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Streak ammo can be shipped to your CA ffl

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Unfortunately it looks like any projectile containing a "chemical substance" and not manufactured for a shotgun is a "destructive device" in California.

Not sure what "chemical substance" means. Seems to me lead alloy would be a "chemical substance." Just another terribly written CA law I guess.
does this affect MODEL rocketry like in the Estes Park rocket models, some capable of 1k to 1,4k elevation, there is a model rocket club in the Fremont dry lake bed south of if garlock/rands that .ca reach 10 co r lol







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I can’t find what streaK uses as the light source

The legal concern with tracers is fire. If it has a glow stick or glow compound, they don’t seem to meet the violation of the law.


Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.
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