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Old 03-24-2013, 9:31 AM
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And that was probably in broad daylight. We're talking night sights. And it's anecdotal.
Well, yes it is. Anything we read or even told directly to us is anecdotal...it isn't like we were there.

I gather you aren't a student of gunfighting to not be familiar with this much studied shootout. Besides Jim writing about it in his book, he has also taught it national in classes and it was obviously investigated at the time.

He was behind cover at a stakeout when 3 armed robbers entered. The followup investigation determined that they were all about 60-75 feet (25 yards) from Jim when he started shooting. Two perps were behind customers and in one case, he only had a 6" window in which to take the shots on a moving head.

He was shooting his S&W M-10, emptied one and drew the other before the fight ended.

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Yes! I'm unfamiliar with those sights. Who makes them? And the rear is a tritium tube mounted sideways?
Mine were made by Ned Christensen of Michiguns

The rear is a tube mounted sideways under the notch. It is mounted from underneath so it can't be dislodged when the gun is knocked about...this is a duty gun that I also carried while off-duty

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IIRC, those were custom made (although I don't recall them being night sights).
It was really bright that day at Angeles...remember shooting across the canyon at the steel targets?
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If this isn't the right place to ask I apologize, but would the same thought process apply to having a single fiber front sight?
I ask because competitive shooters seem to use them, and I would think the same theory of a busy sight picture would apply.
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It was really bright that day at Angeles...remember shooting across the canyon at the steel targets?
Uh....I'm invoking my Fifth, sir.
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If this isn't the right place to ask I apologize, but would the same thought process apply to having a single fiber front sight?
I ask because competitive shooters seem to use them, and I would think the same theory of a busy sight picture would apply.
The fiber optic isn't meant to be used as an aiming point. It is meant to draw the eye to the front sight (faster sight pickup), but you still align the top of the front blade with the tops of the rear ears.

That isn't to say I haven't seen it used as an aiming point. I'll even bet I've used mine on close and dirty targets. The mantra to shooting quick/accurate shots is knowing how fine a sight picture you need to hit the size target you need
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He was behind cover at a stakeout when 3 armed robbers entered. The followup investigation determined that they were all about 60-75 feet (25 yards) from Jim when he started shooting. Two perps were behind customers and in one case, he only had a 6" window in which to take the shots on a moving head.
Well that explains it. There were people in the way at 70 feet. I don't know of anyone that would take shots like those without concentrating real hard on the sight picture. I'll bet he closed one eye to shoot as well. The scenario I painted was pitch dark with gun flashes pointed at you. Trust me, return fire would be reflexive as you were diving for cover.

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The rear is a tube mounted sideways under the notch. It is mounted from underneath so it can't be dislodged when the gun is knocked about...this is a duty gun that I also carried while off-duty
Thanks for the info. I'll definitely have to check them out. How do you like them? Are they as good as I imagine them to be? If not, that blows my theory of the perfect night sight.
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Just a couple of quick thoughts, all based on the assumption that the individual involved has decent skills.

1) Night sights aren't designed to help you shoot targets that are in the dark, they are designed to help you find the sights when the gun is in the dark. The presence of night sights on your gun have nothing to do with target identification.

2) Under truly high stress situations such as those involving shooting at someone or someone shooting at you, it is unlikely that you are going to get a solid sight picture. That type of self discipline is rare. Anything you can do to provide rapid conformation of your weapons presentation to your target is probably a good thing as long as it doesn't add to the complexity of the action. You want something that functions at an instinctual level, not something that must be deliberately processed or performed. A single tritium front sight provides that.

3) Ghost rings on shotguns rarely provide anything other then more profit for the manufacturer and the marketing department. They tend to be a little slower to get on target and require more drop built into the shotgun stock system. The increased drop usually expresses it's self by increasing felt recoil and muzzle flip. The exception is when you are trying to use the shotgun as a rifle which it does poorly regardless of the sighting system. When you are trying to sell $350 shotguns for $800 you have to add something visual to them or nobody will buy them so you add sights that set way too high above the bore centerline, paint it black, and call it the tactical model.
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Well that explains it. There were people in the way at 70 feet. I don't know of anyone that would take shots like those without concentrating real hard on the sight picture. I'll bet he closed one eye to shoot as well.
He doesn't mention focusing hard, just seeing the sights...but he does speak of not realizing that he was the one pulling the trigger when the shooting started. It was the classic subconscious shooting while the conscious is making the shooting decisions (where and when to shoot)

While he wasn't shooting very quickly...the crime scene reconstruction showed that he hit all three felons, with his 6 shots, in about 3 seconds...I'd think he'd want to be aware of where the other ones where moving while he was shooting the first.

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Trust me, return fire would be reflexive as you were diving for cover.
Does that mean you've been a situation where you were shooting reflexively while diving for cover...like seen in the video clip of the 2 NYPD officers in the sidewalk shooting?

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Thanks for the info. I'll definitely have to check them out. How do you like them? Are they as good as I imagine them to be? If not, that blows my theory of the perfect night sight.
It rather depends on how easily you are able to center the front dot over the rear bar...balancing the length of the bar on either side of the dot.

It demonstrated to me that a rear night sight element wasn't needed to place accurate shots on target
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I agree with 9mm and believe that he is on point here.

Everything he has addressed or "described" about having a proper sight picture is dead on with what I learned and practiced as a kid when I was given my first BB gun, then later with a 10-22, and then honed that much further when I enlisted in the Army.
I am no "expert" self-proclaimed or otherwise. However, "front sight focus, through the notch of the rear sight" is how I was taught buy my father, grandfather, & again from various instructors in the Army.

Now, with that said.....My 1911 has 3-dot night sights, as that's how it came from the factory. Since I really don't worry about them, they dont realy bother me. One day down the road, the rear sight will be replaced with a black sight.
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Looks like a modified version of Ned's shield driver sight? While it may not be the most cutting edge option, I'm a sucker for the gold bead front sight.
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Looks like a modified version of Ned's shield driver sight? While it may not be the most cutting edge option, I'm a sucker for the gold bead front sight.
I don't think he has a name for it when he made it. Mine was the first SIG 220 he had had in the shop and he needed to make a fixture for it to machine in the Conamyds.

All I asked him for is a rear sight that wouldn't float above the SIG slide's convex top and wouldn't snag on the draw. I was really surprised at the shape his solution took when I got it back. I asked that the slide be beveled and he talked me into de-hooking the trigger guard and beveling the magwell.

I'm currently a large fan of the gold/brass bead front for a working gun too
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Now, with that said.....My 1911 has 3-dot night sights, as that's how it came from the factory. Since I really don't worry about them, they dont realy bother me. One day down the road, the rear sight will be replaced with a black sight.
So when you look down your sights you're not distracted by the rear dots? The sad thing is I installed a 3 dot set on my 1911 and with dry fire practicing I'm starting to see what you guys are talking about, that is how "busy" the sighting system becomes. I'm hoping I can learn to ignore the dots or just become proficient with sighting with the dots on this setup...
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Does that mean you've been a situation where you were shooting reflexively while diving for cover...like seen in the video clip of the 2 NYPD officers in the sidewalk shooting?
Once again, it was daylight. And IIRC they weren't being fired on. And it was on a crowded sidewalk. NO ONE would condone firing without using the sights in that situation. Apples and oranges.

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It demonstrated to me that a rear night sight element wasn't needed to place accurate shots on target
I didn't realize the bar was so long in the sight picture that you had to center the dot. That isn't what I'm envisioning. I'm talking about something more like the AmeriGlo CAP sights but using tritium for the bar:

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Now, with that said.....My 1911 has 3-dot night sights, as that's how it came from the factory. Since I really don't worry about them, they dont realy bother me. One day down the road, the rear sight will be replaced with a black sight.
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So when you look down your sights you're not distracted by the rear dots? The sad thing is I installed a 3 dot set on my 1911 and with dry fire practicing I'm starting to see what you guys are talking about, that is how "busy" the sighting system becomes. I'm hoping I can learn to ignore the dots or just become proficient with sighting with the dots on this setup...
I loose sight or focus of the rear dots/sight as soon as my eye hit's the front sight. The sights are very dim (light/no color) in daylight, but do light up in low & no light. Every night, I clear & function check, then with the lights off, practice raising & aiming my gun.

Thanks to this thread. I want to change my rear site tonight. Unfortunatley, I can't do that.
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So you guys recommend no rear sights?? O with only front sights?
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Does that mean you've been a situation where you were shooting reflexively while diving for cover...like seen in the video clip of the 2 NYPD officers in the sidewalk shooting?
Once again, it was daylight. And IIRC they weren't being fired on. And it was on a crowded sidewalk. NO ONE would condone firing without using the sights in that situation. Apples and oranges.
Were you going to address the first part of the question about your experience which leads you to believe that?
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So you guys recommend no rear sights?? O with only front sights?
Rear sight only. No front. Like this:



Just kidding.

They're talking about a plain iron rear sight with a tritium front sight, as per the OP's question.
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Were you going to address the first part of the question about your experience which leads you to believe that?
No. I've been shot at 4 times. 3 times with bullets and 1 time with rockets and RPG's. Unfortunately I was diving for cover without a weapon on me 3 of those times. 2 were daytime and 2 were twilight.
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Do you believe your reaction under those circumstances are even applicable to a civilian self defense shooting?
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Do you believe your reaction under those circumstances are even applicable to a civilian self defense shooting?
I never said I was speaking from first hand experience. I'm using logic. When it's up close and personal and the guns are firing at you in the dark from point blank range (most shootings are less than 10 feet), I'll guarantee you won't be spending the time trying to find that illuminated front sight as the deafening muzzle blasts flash around you and you're running for cover while returning fire. To say otherwise is just.....foolish.
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I only ask because earlier you posted:
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Trust me, return fire would be reflexive as you were diving for cover.
Which would somewhat imply that you are basing it on experience rather than...whatever you are basing it on.

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When it's up close and personal and the guns are firing at you in the dark from point blank range (most shootings are less than 10 feet), I'll guarantee you won't be spending the time trying to find that illuminated front sight as the deafening muzzle blasts flash around you and you're running for cover while returning fire. To say otherwise is just.....foolish.
Now you're guarantying it and denigrating the experience of others who have been in real life situations.

It isn't often that you'll find a student of gunfights who would discount the experience of Sykes, Fairbairn, Applegate, Jordan, Atkins, Skelton or Cirillo

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Logic is defined as knowledge combined with experience. When you lack one or the other, it is just fantasy...that is just basic philosophy
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EDIT: eh...went back and read k1's other posts and realized my response had nothing to do with the topic. My bad.

Anyways, OP. After you shoot for a while, you're going to develop a preference for certain things. I found that switching out my stock sights for a wider rear U sight, and an Ameriglo Hackathorn front helped me acquire my sights faster than before, both in daylight and low-light situations. Some people prefer having three dots to line up, but I found that that's not how I like to run my pistol.

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First sim, some perp started firing at me. Diving for cover, I did what you described. Panic took over, fundamentals went out the window, point fired without aiming, thinking I was all fast and ****. Got tased. Well, that sucked. Lesson learned.

Second sim, I did what 9mmepiphany described. Remembered all my fundamentals. Quick to the gun. Quick out of the holster. Punched out, sights aligned, hard focus on front sight, trigger straight to the rear...BANG. Equal pressure on the trigger after the shot? Good. Reset, sight picture...straight to the rear again. Perp went down.

Didn't get tased.

Take it for what it's worth. Maybe you're a point-shooting god, I don't know.
The instructor I was talking about earlier regularly runs timed house clearing scenarios for LEA's. He and his students score incredibly well point shooting compared to aimed shooting (time and hits). And that's with paper perps (they don't shoot back). If you throw the perps shooting back into the equation (if there were a way to simulate that), I'd bet his scores would drop substantially using both techniques. But I'll bet he still comes out on top with his point shooting.

One of his other students was telling me he was at a well known shooting school that constantly preaches sight picture. During their scenarios he wasn't doing very well, so on his last try he threw everything they taught him out the window and reverted back to his point shooting. He scored the top score out of his class by a huge margin on that last run. He didn't tell the instructors that he was using point shooting.

I guess it comes down to different strokes for different folks.

And as I've said before, I still look for my sight picture before I shoot. But my speed suffers accordingly.
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Thanks to this thread. I want to change my rear site tonight. Unfortunatley, I can't do that.
Me too. I might just put the stock rear sight back into my 1911...
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So just aim with your front sight only for "point shooting"?
No. Point shooting is instinctive without using sights. I would recommend that anyone use both front and rear sights until you're very proficient. Lots of time and rounds downrange need to be under your belt. Then you can explore point shooting. And even then it's usually only useful at close range where most shootings take place and under less than ideal situations (like being jumped in low light in an alley). We deviated from the orginal discussion when other posters began questioning my thinking (sorry OP). We should try and get this thread back on track regarding front night sights versus front and rear night sights.
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In many peoples opinion 3 dot sights suck. Especially 3 dot night sights. We are taught to concentrate on our front sight, and to align the tops of our front and rear sights. So the two rear dots don't really do anything other than clutter our sight picture. A perfect sight alignment often means that the 3 dots are not aligned; so we have to ask, what's the point of the two rear dots?

I recently switched to a gold bead front and black rear on my Wilson and love it.

One thing is for sure, noobs love 3 dot night sights.
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