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Bringing this SLO discussion over here from a thread on a different topic....
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The only good cause that will fly (unless you are LEO, prison guard, friend or donor) is if you live, or work, in a very remote, or rural area. Here are some facts: The previous sheriff allowed 3 guns on permit, current sheriff, two. Previous sheriff did not require letters of character reference, current sheriff requires three. Previous sheriff would accept all applications, including folks living within various city limits; current sheriff now says that you must apply with city chief of police which is an automatic denial. Previous sheriff would allow you to apply, and receive your acceptance or denial letter before writing any checks; now you have to pay up front, gambling whether you will be approved or not. The previous sheriff allowed you to change weapons on your permit easily, the new sheriff makes a big deal out of it. So I'll break it apart: (1) The only good cause that will fly (unless you are LEO, prison guard, friend or donor) is if you live, or work, in a very remote, or rural area. He took out his restrictive GC language on his website (w/new online app process). See post #383 above. (2) Here are some facts: The previous sheriff allowed 3 guns on permit, current sheriff, two. Sucks, but not GC related. ETA: this sucks because if you're in a shooting LE may take the gun involved for awhile. If you normally carry a primary and BUG, you're now down to only one whereas if they allowed 3, you'd then start carrying that 3rd gun while your primary is gone. Same thing if you have to send one to a gunsmith for work. (3) Previous sheriff did not require letters of character reference, current sheriff requires three. A pain, but that's GMC related, not GC related. (4) Previous sheriff would accept all applications, including folks living within various city limits; current sheriff now says that you must apply with city chief of police which is an automatic denial. In post #421 above I said he removed the prior denial requirement. But it is now back.... Or I somehow missed all that text previously? (highly unlikely) Sheriffs can request that you apply first w/city PD, but cannot require it. That would violate state law that they accept and process all apps from county residents. (See Salute v. Pitchess) But even if its illegal, some sheriffs still insist. Why? Because since they do not routinely patrol non-contract cities, they won't know if you've had bad contacts with LE that don't result in an arrest/charges the way your own city PD will. IOW, they do this to make your background check more thorough. Again, this is GMC related, not GC. And like the sheriff, your CoP can only charge you a nominal amount for you to get your GC approved or denied, so this is just a minor increase in time and expense. (See next.) (5) Previous sheriff would allow you to apply, and receive your acceptance or denial letter before writing any checks; now you have to pay up front, gambling whether you will be approved or not. Under state law passed ~5 yrs ago the IA has to give you decision (and also explain a denial) BEFORE doing training and, IIRC, Livescan and paying those fees. PM Librarian for details and text of statute, if you want exact details. If you read SLO's CCW FAQs, you'll see the most SLO SO will charge you is $20 to find out if your GC passes. (City residents will also be out whatever minimal charge their PD keeps.) Quote:
(6) The previous sheriff allowed you to change weapons on your permit easily, the new sheriff makes a big deal out of it. Not related to GC. Plus, with the new online system, this is handled online. Last, the colors are usually judgment calls and, as stated on the map, can be off by 1 color either way. "Light green" goes from "near yellow" (maybe SLO?) to "near dark green" (OC?)
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If your city PD turns you down for insufficient GC, the SO will still have to process your subsequent SO application "themselves" and give their own reason for your denial (lack of GMC and/or insufficient GC). The SO does NOT get any "political plausible deniability." However, if the city PD turns you down for lack of GMC, the SO probably will also deny you for lack of GMC (based upon the PD data and any of their own about you). But once again, that is GMC, not GC. Quote:
But we are where we are. At this point, since the map states it may be off by 1 shade/color, I think leave it light green until more SLO CGNers post about recent experience applying with the SO. The standard practice is for the map to be reviewed, and revised if necessary, 2x per year, although there may be other updates/revisions if something changes to an important county (e.g., Sheriff Gore's recent statements he'll issue more CCWs in San Diego county and posters saying they've now gotten CCWs from him).
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The CA CCW GC map has always been "reverse engineering" and is inherently inaccurate, thus the "off by 1 shade/color either way" qualifying statement. We could make it more accurate if every year we did Public Records Act (PRA) requests for applications for all CCWs issued that year for all 58 counties (not to mention the 500 or so city PDs), and review and compare all of their GC statements. (Even better would be to do that also with all their CCW denials for that year.) But that would cost, I'd guess, thousands of dollars and take hundreds or even thousands of manhours.... We don't get paid/benefitted in any way by performing this "service." So, yes, we do what we can to try to help the CA gun community get a rough idea of the average law-abiding person's chances of getting a CCW in the 58 counties. That is better, IMO, than having newbies assume that, this being the Kalifornia, nobody has a chance of getting a CCW, or the opposite, thinking because they heard of someone in Orange Co having a CCW, they waste their time, money and effort in applying for one in LA Co. As I posted above, the deletion of the prior city PD denial requirement was 1 of the 3 reasons I suggested to go w/SLO being light green vs yellow. If I had know that requirement would be later reinserted into their instructions (because they deleted it by mistake? because they were scamming CGNers?), I would not have recommended that change.
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It's been that way for several decades now, and does not appear to have changed. If you live in an incorporated city you will be forced to apply there first. Once denied and go back to the sheriff you get denied again because of "adequate law enforcement coverage and response times". If you want proof just read back through this thread. Want a CCW to fly your F***ing hawk on private property in the back country? No problem. Want a CCW because you work nights in a less safe area and transport valuables? F*** yourself, there's a substation 20 minutes away... deal with it.
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Just received my renewal notice, how time flies.
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Greg Clayton to challenge Sheriff Parkinson in June primary
For those of you who want SLO SO to issue more CCWs, you should contact Mr. Clayton to find out his position on CCWs and the GC requirement.
Here's his campaign website: https://www.claytonforsheriff.com/ Here's his "Issues" webpage: https://www.claytonforsheriff.com/issues/ Here's his Facebook page to contact him: https://www.facebook.com/claytonforsheriff/ By the looks of some of his posts, he's coming at Sheriff Parkinson from the Left, which, in general, means anti RKBA. This FB post is from March 09 at 10:50 am: Quote:
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From: https://www.atascadero.org/index.php...82&Itemid=2108
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I had my renewal today. The instructor said that SLO county has upgraded their system and will no longer be issuing the big awkward paper permits and have adopted the drivers license style with your picture on it. As soon as I receive mine, I will post it.
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I wouldn't make such blanket statements when you have very little facts to back them up. |
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It appears to me that Greg Clayton is running for sheriff in order to spins his lifelong pension. He left the slo pd on a disability and now 25 years later he wants a big salary. I will stick with Ian Parkinson.
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Just picked up my new permit. SLO county has not gone to the drivers license style permit yet. They have temporarily halted the switch until they can come up with a design that is in line with other counties in California so that there is no discrepancy.
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Congrats!
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Going by: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Lu...ia#Communities Do you live in an incorporated city in SLO Co? Do you live in an "Census-designated place" in SLO Co? Or do you live in a "Unincorporated community" of SLO Co? Don't specify the specific locale, just which of those 3 categories it falls under.
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San Luis Obispo
It’s my renewal. I live in Templeton
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Quick question. In SLO county do they issue to non-residents of the county that primarily work in the county? I live in SB county but work in SLO county 99% of the time. We all know the non issueing sheriff in SB county. I believe my line of work would have a justified good cause. Any info would be appreciated.
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Unfortunately, you don't help dispel the notion that Sheriff Parkinson doesn't like to issue to city residents: Templeton is not an incorporated city in SLO Co.
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(2) Lots of sheriffs choose not to issue them. (Don't know if that is legal or not...) (3) I don't recall if Business based CCW permits holders are limited to carrying within the county that issued it. Bottom line: business based CCW permits aren't worth it. JMO
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Templeton does not have a police department. The SLO County Sheriff services that area so a resident's application would be submitted directly to Ian Parkinson's office.
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That is correct, I applied directly through the Sheriffs office. I was replying to the post above. I was talking about those who live in Paso or Atascadero where there is a local PD.
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Hey everyone, I had a question in regards to CCW in SLO county, I will be moving up to a property in Arroyo Grande (though outside city limits) where I will be working while I am in school. Does that mean I need to apply with the local county? I have never applied for a CCW in CA (been living in AZ on a ranch for the last 5 years, moving back for family/ school reasons) and not sure how to go about it.
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I understand that, my permanent would be there as I am a CA resident, not AZ, just was curious if I apply in AG or with the county?
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In CA you can apply with either the County Sheriff or the City Chief of Police in the City in which you reside, if one exists. Read through this thread history to see which is best based on others' experience.
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Im outside city limits up above newsom canyon a bit to the SE of town, It looks like I would have a pretty good chance of getting one being in a rural area and working in the agricultural industry having read through some of the thread. Out in AZ we just carried with the whole constitutional carry so that was pretty convenient, but SLO county is stilll better then SB county where I grew up.
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- Unless your employer will submit a letter necessitating the CCW for the rural work in ag, this is irrelevant. SLO Co won't buy off on it. You need a supporting letter. |
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Has anyone been issued/denied a CCW by SLO Co SO this year? If so, can you post or PM me (communications kept in strict confidence) what your Good Cause was like, but not so much detail as to ID yourself?
I've been involved with making the CA CCW GC map for ~7 years and just trying to make sure it is accurate, that SLO is light green. ETA: If anyone is thinking about applying with SLO SO or a SLO Co city's PD, I strongly suggest you go over the advice I developed and posted for CoCoCo SO applicants in the first 3 posts at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924
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Laughter from "the Peanut Gallery."
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Lived in Slo County for 45 years. First applied for CCW 38 years ago. Have had (and currently have) a CCW for 20 years under 2 sheriffs. I told you what the deal was around here, with multiple, multiple, examples. You, who knows absolutely nothing about this county, summarily rejected everything I said. Why do you think no-one wants to speak up here? 571 permits, according to the Undersheriff, and a population of 285,000 LOL! |
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Rather than waste my time and effort (yet again!), replying to your worthless posts, I'll just add you to my Ignore List (click on "User CP" and scroll down the left hand column), so that I don't even see your posts. For the peace of CGN and your own mental well-being, I suggest you do the same.
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Typical keyboard commando Mr. Cut&Paste Talk about worthless posts, based on ZERO knowledge of SLO county. They are Fake News. Based on political nonsense that you read, not reality or facts. I'll submit that my EXPERIENCE as a long time RESIDENT of SLO county actually does contribute I know many people that have applied, been approved, and been denied. Easily agitated? LOL I'm not the one having to resort and hide behind an Ignore List. I'll take your hate all day, bring it. As far what the deal is in SLO county, anyone feel free to message me, I'll fill you in. Last edited by Hopalong; 12-16-2018 at 10:12 AM.. |
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