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Old 04-11-2018, 9:04 PM
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I heard you can buy a new 41. All you have to do is file a Olympic exemption, and a FFL that would agree to do it.
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I heard you can buy a new 41. All you have to do is file a Olympic exemption, and a FFL that would agree to do it.
You can buy them all day long, along with a bunch of other Olympic Pistol Exemption pistols

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/forms/op.pdf
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The S&W Model 41 is exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws [PC 32105(c)] and CA assault weapons laws [PC 30515(d)(3)].

So, they are legal to import and transfer from a CA FFL dealer.

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Penal Code 30515
(c) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting from the definition of “assault weapon” pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that were used for Olympic target shooting purposes as of January 1, 2001, and that would otherwise fall within the definition of “assault weapon” pursuant to this section are exempt, as provided in subdivision (d).
(d) “Assault weapon” does not include either of the following:
(3) The Department of Justice shall create a program that is consistent with the purposes stated in subdivision (c) to exempt new models of competitive pistols that would otherwise fall within the definition of “assault weapon” pursuant to this section from being classified as an assault weapon. The exempt competitive pistols may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting consistent with the regulations contained in the USA Shooting Official Rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.

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(a) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that were used for Olympic target shooting purposes as of January 1, 2001, and that fall within the definition of “unsafe handgun” pursuant to paragraph (3) of subdivision (b) of Section 31910 shall be exempt, as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c).
(c) The department shall create a program that is consistent with the purpose stated in subdivision (a) to exempt new models of competitive firearms from Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000). The exempt competitive firearms may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting consistent with the regulations contained in the USA Shooting Official Rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.
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There are stories floating around that some FFLs will not DROS this as an Olympic exempt pistol because the specific model number listed on the Roster does not match the model number put out by S&W. Something about it being listed as M-41 on the Roster but Model 41 on the pistol.
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There is no "Olympic exemption" to file.

They are roster exempt similar to SA's.

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There are stories floating around that some FFLs will not DROS this as an Olympic exempt pistol because the specific model number listed on the Roster does not match the model number put out by S&W. Something about it being listed as M-41 on the Roster but Model 41 on the pistol.
100% correct.

S&W’s own site, and even Gun Genie, list all 3 versions (5.5”, 7”, PC) as CA legal to transfer, but there are dealers who I’ve contacted who won’t do the transfer because of the M-41/Model 41 thing.
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There are stories floating around that some FFLs will not DROS this as an Olympic exempt pistol because the specific model number listed on the Roster does not match the model number put out by S&W. Something about it being listed as M-41 on the Roster but Model 41 on the pistol.
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S&W’s own site, and even Gun Genie, list all 3 versions (5.5”, 7”, PC) as CA legal to transfer, but there are dealers who I’ve contacted who won’t do the transfer because of the M-41/Model 41 thing.
Same problem with the Ruger PC9 Takedown 10 rds thread/unthread barrel .
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I heard you can buy a new 41.
True... but I heard you can buy a used 41 for less dough.

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hHw difficult are these to find?
My FFL told me he could not find any.
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I've been eyeing one years. Just not convinced that it's worth it.
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Got mine from GunBroker. Just have them transfer to an FFL that will accept it.
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For those that own the 41.... if you had to shoot a ruger 22/45 and the 41,
What would be the group size difference you could shoot at 25 yards?


Are they that much more accurate?
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Very nice shooting pistols.
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Impossible to find new ones. Been looking for years. I once got an email notification from Buds that they got some. I immediately went to their website and by the time I entered my credit card number, they had already sold out. It must've only been 3 to 5 minutes for them to sell out.
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The SW 41 is great. I own one, but my neighbor kept beating me at Bullseye with his high Standard. I bought A HIGH STANDARD at auctions from Little Johns and Carol Watsons, now I beat my neighbor. The High Standard space gun is way better than a SW41....way better. Better Trigger, better balance, less jams, and less muzzle flip.

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For those that own the 41.... if you had to shoot a ruger 22/45 and the 41,
What would be the group size difference you could shoot at 25 yards?


Are they that much more accurate?
Yes. Very much so. But the question is...are you accurate enough to make the cost of a 41 worth it?
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In my hands my Buckmark can compete with my 41 with open sights. But I presume that's my hands.
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For those that own the 41.... if you had to shoot a ruger 22/45 and the 41,
What would be the group size difference you could shoot at 25 yards?


Are they that much more accurate?
From a ranson rest, my Buckmark shoots 1" groups at only 25 yards. My Model 41 shoots 1" groups at 50 yards.
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For those that own the 41.... if you had to shoot a ruger 22/45 and the 41, What would be the group size difference you could shoot at 25 yards? Are they that much more accurate?
The Model 41 is more about balance, great grips, and good sights. IMHO it has proven to be America's best rimfire pistol with many national championships to it's credit. Your scores should improve. It's quite a step up from a Ruger or a Browning. If you want a better pistol you'll have to move onto one of the top European pistols, which are another step up.
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So I found a brand new one at a LGS last night. Paid for it online last night.

Went to the store today and after looking at it found out that the safety lever was seized. It would not go from safety off to "on."
The sales guy had their gun smith look at it and he came back telling me that there was diffidently something wrong with the safety lever.

Gave me 2 options:
1. Dros it now and for me to contact S&W and send it to them for warranty
2. They will send it back to S&W to have them take a look at it for fix. Than they will contact me when it returns and I still get first take on it.

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The Model 41 is more about balance, great grips, and good sights. IMHO it has proven to be America's best rimfire pistol with many national championships to it's credit. Your scores should improve. It's quite a step up from a Ruger or a Browning. If you want a better pistol you'll have to move onto one of the top European pistols, which are another step up.
don't forget the excellent trigger and its adjustable
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Impossible to find new ones. Been looking for years....
Dude, it's your lucky day! Better get one of each!!

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Funny, Riflegear states it's not for sale in CA, yet all of the stock is in Fountain Valley. Is a PC 41 different than a regular 41? $500 for a rail?

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Funny, Riflegear states it's not for sale in CA, yet all of the stock is in Fountain Valley. Is a PC 41 different than a regular 41? $500 for a rail?
Depends on the model number listed on the gun/box. Maybe call RG for clarification?
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Funny, Riflegear states it's not for sale in CA, yet all of the stock is in Fountain Valley. Is a PC 41 different than a regular 41? $500 for a rail?

RifleGear only sells the 5.5” version as Olympic Pistol exempt, even though Smith & Wesson and even Gun Genie shows all three “Model 41” as legal for sale in CA.

At least they sell the 5.5” I suppose...some FFL’s won’t sell any because the list says “M-41” and the pistol says “Model 41”.
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Ugh. You had to do that to me didn't you?

I'd already decided about a month ago that instead of waiting for a Model 41 to become available, I'd instead spend the money on the Sig P210 7" when it becomes available this year.
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I got one last year - you gotta be quick!
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I've been eyeing one years. Just not convinced that it's worth it.
That has been my concern too. But I recently took the plunge. Haven't shot my 41 yet we shall see.
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RifleGear only sells the 5.5” version as Olympic Pistol exempt, even though Smith & Wesson and even Gun Genie shows all three “Model 41” as legal for sale in CA.

At least they sell the 5.5” I suppose...some FFL’s won’t sell any because the list says “M-41” and the pistol says “Model 41”.
Lame, but like mentioned find another FFL. All have their quirks and interpretations but I'm sure you can find one that will transfer the others.
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Lame, but like mentioned find another FFL. All have their quirks and interpretations but I'm sure you can find one that will transfer the others.
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I'd already decided about a month ago that instead of waiting for a Model 41 to become available,
I'd instead spend the money on the Sig P210 7" when it becomes available this year.
Excellent choice. But they belong together, don't they? And you have room in the safe for both.
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