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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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Calm Down!
Sac county i believe did change their permit to say must inform officer your carrying. I dont understand a officer that is angry that you did not tell them immediately. A sheriff, a life scan and a instructor approved by the county trusted you to be safe and professional with the permit. A ccw is nothing easy to get. It takes money, time and trust. There is a process you need to pass to receive it. I never heard of a permit holder pulling a gun on a officer in uniform. The sheriffs department trusts the citizen enough to give one to the individual. Also not once did i ever have a officer tell me about his back up gun he is concealing when he came up to me. They are the same people that are trusted by the same people that give citizens their permits. We are all the same. If your going to be frisked then by all means tell them but if its not a requirement of the permit then keep it to yourself. Its hidden for a reason. Keep it that way!
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Because, here in Sacramento, we're required to show it! Don't want to give them any reason to pull it....especially for something like that.
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These always help...
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If the thread continues long enough, someone will eventually ask in all seriousness where to get one of those.
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I'm currently in process in Placer County. My instructor stated that as of March 1, 2013, Placer County permit holders are required to state their status whether armed or not. The reasoning is if stopped by city police or county sheriff, they likely will have accessed the county database which will show your permit status. If CHP, they most likely will not access county database.
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Decide for yourself whether to disclose your LTC/firearm. I have been a LEO for many years now and I would appreciate the disclosure, although it may not be required.
Now, I know that people on this site will encourage an adversarial attitude and tell you not to say anything. It is your call. I can carry a gun anywhere and do, but when I have been stopped I always announce that I armed because I don't want to get shot by a jumpy officer. I don't expect people that haven't walked up on hundreds of cars to understand, but it is the best way to go. On the contrary to creating a mountain out of a molehill, I would see the presentation of a LTC as credentials belonging to someone who has training and knows & operates within the law. Gangbangers and parolees do not possess LTC's. These are the people I worry about. Not regular folks exercising their rights |
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I've been carrying for years and have only been stopped once. When I'm driving my weapon is in no way visible to a LEO so I do not disclose. If I was asked to exit my car I would then disclose but there would be no legal reason for that anyway since the only reason for me to be pulled over would be for a minor traffic stop. As mentioned many times in the thread it's up to you.
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The only other thing I can think of is that you're issuing agency isn't submitting the records to the state... |
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Understood. Even if I had to exit the car the LEO still wouldn't see my weapon. If he/she decided that I needed to be searched then I would disclose at that time. I've been driving for 38+ years been stopped many times during that time and I have never been searched or have I ever given the police any reason to search me. Come to think of it I've never been asked to exit my car. I've just been lucky. I'm sticking to non-disclosure at this time. It really comes down to a case by case bases and personal preference. I did ask the my issuing agency about disclosure and I was told I did not have to.
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Still hard to figure why anyone would choose not to advise.
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Because its not required. Just like if your stopped and the LEO asks "do you mind if I look in your car?" Or "Where are you going?"
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Look at it this way, letting the officer know that you have a LTC could be seen as a good PR move. The more officers that are aware that they are contacting a person with a LTC, the more of them there are to combat the FUD when people start badmouthing people that have or want one. You now have officers that can say, "you know, I have contacted several people that have a LTC and they have never been a problem."
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I suppose you could issue a Public Records request for all AFS information pertaining to you're name - I'm not sure if that would work or not. |
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It's more of a courtesy to the cop who'd definitely prefer no surprises. Quote:
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Do you think that a CCW is so relatively rare in CA it acts like a brass pass?
Could an officer possibly get the impression, subconsciously or otherwise, that you are juiced in or connected, like you would have to be to carry in LA for example? I just ask since everyone in this thread as far as I can tell got let off or just warned. |
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All debate aside, when you have an actual LEO saying
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Of ocurse, being an LA County denizen, I'll probably never have to worry about things like this, since we are a "Won't issue" county.
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It was not a threat. It was an exaggerated response to an uncompromising stance. I was taught never to make a threat unless you are prepared to carry it out and I am not a fan of carrying anything. Even watching other people carrying things makes me uncomfortable. Mainly because of the possibility they may ask me to help. |
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I've asked a lot, about half say don't care or no concern to them, and half say let them kniw or you better tell them |
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And actually, in my county and several others, it IS required that you advise the officer if you're carrying. All of this hand-wringing over disclosing one's carry status borders on paranoia. We've had ONE anecdote from ONE guy in recent months about a cop who yelled at him, ONE anecdote about a guy who had to sit on the curb while they checked his gun. The vast majority of contacts are reasonable. I advised an EGPD motor officer who got me on radar for 60 in a 45 and I wasn't even carrying, under the assumption that there was at least a possibility of my LTC status coming back if they ran my name. I'm aware that such a possibility has not been established definitively here, but I did it just in case, and also because it's common courtesy to advise. The resulting interaction was positive.
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I don't see the courtesy in announcing something that is irrelevant
Should I also advise of the Cheetos and bible under the seat My experience differs from yours, and I have asked quite a number, and again half don't care, surprisingly to me it was more chp that didn't care rather than locals Still I will decide on an individual basis, not a blanket decision to announce every time or not to at any time Last edited by Tripper; 08-27-2013 at 8:56 AM.. |
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Required or not I respect what they do so I would let them know. I would want to know if I were a cop. Just a respect thing to me. You did the right thing.
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i had to do a couple of site visits for the sac sheriffs office buildings (architectural work)....each time i had a sheriff escort me around the building....i showed them my id, business card, and ccw...they asked if i was carrying.....i said no...padded me on the back and said "thanks for letting me know".....im sure they did their background check before letting me walk around their building.....
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I HAVE received a ticket, after disclosing my CCW status, but that didn't hurt me, in fact probably helped, since it improved the friendly raport I had with the CHP officer. Long story short- He wrote me up for 75 in a 65, when it was actually ~85 when I noticed him pacing me. He liked my car and knew I had been hitting triple digits for short times, before he clocked me. He had been shadowing me at a distance for over 15 miles. P.s. it was daylight on a mostly straight/divided highway with no traffic.
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I don't carry, but in both cases I stayed lighthearted and friendly, and in both cases after a few questions I was on my way. I'm not sure how you're carrying concealed that you are 100% sure that in no way, from any angle or any light, that your weapon can not ever be seen (or imprint even). I honestly don't see the upside of being so obstinate about it since you've taken the steps to get the CCW (which involves lots of forms and personal information anyway). |
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I say always show an officer your LTC, at least in CA.
It does a few things: 1. Shows the officer that other LEO's trust you enough to grant you a license 2. You passed a criminal background check/live scan 3. You had enough respect for the Officer to inform them that you are carrying a loaded firearm. Respect goes along way with people who are lied to on a daily bases. |
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If your permit is from Sacramento Sheriffs Dept you are now REQUIRED to notify any LEO you are contacted by that you are carrying a weapon.
If no weapon is present then you do not need to notify them but they said its a good idea to let the officer know. He will find out if and when he runs your DL and then may be upset or jumpy because he wasn't notified.
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Keep in mind If you get stopped by a game warden or other LEO and you say "well so and so on CalGuns said that this was ok and legal" That warden or LEO is gonna laugh at you and cite you. Advice here is mostly good advice but its best to familiarize yourself with the laws & if needed contact DFW. or local Law Enforcement Always confirm it for yourself. Ignorance is no excuse. |
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I have watched tons of YouTube videos about guys carrying and are being dicks to the LEO who stops them and asks for ID. If I was LEO and pulled over a guy and saw him reaching towards his gun, even if he was reaching for his wallet and had a CCW, I'd draw.
For the person who said half of the LEO said they don't care if you have a CCW and don't tell them and you're using that as your basis of not disclosing, imagine being pulled over on a stretch of freeway where the LEO has no back up and he sees your gun. Do you still think they wouldn't care at that point? |
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Your licence,registration and insurance should be in your hands at 1200 on the wheel already by the time the cop gets to your door or window.
I got stopped at 2300 on a Saturday in a not so great part of Vista a couple of years ago after many years of carry. Although this was the first time I had had an encounter while armed during a traffic stop I had planned on giving the cop 2 forms of ID. As it happened I was transporting my teen high school daughter and her best friend from their girlfriends home. I had a govt model on my strong side well concealed. My dilemma was that my daughters best friend was from a left leaning family that would have been totally turned off by the whole gun thing. My sheltered little girl (who carries a benchmade) would have been mortified if we were proned out. Fortunately for me my daughter and her friends only care about getting "A"s and going to good colleges. The cop said I was going a little fast. I apoligized and had the light on so he could see my eyes and was close so he could smell my breath. I told him I was just out picking up the girls and I noted from my insurance card that I have 2 newer cars and that my wife and older daughter drive the new cars. I smiled and asked him if he was looking for felons or speeders in particular. He quickly and politely replied that he was looking for felons and I said be safe and good hunting. Fortunately no drama. But at any time if things were different I would have disclosed any info to this deputy that was prudent. I'm 62 with gray hair and try to present like a minister. I have had retired LEO friends tell me not to mention that I'm carrying unless circumstances dictate or I am asked. I don't print and I don't brandish. Years ago when laws where not so Byzantine people knew how to carry concealed because they did it commando style sin papeles. I always cringe when people on this site talk about printing or "accidentally exposing" their arms. I personally have never carried guns illegally. I'm just saying that these are strange times. Someone mentioned earlier that in certain counties that cops may actually treat you deferentially if you CCW. I think this is diffinitly true in the southland. |
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I haven't been stopped in many years but I always keep my hands on the wheel and tell my passengers to stop moving and keep their hands in plain sight. No need to make an officer nervous or jumpy. As I have a CCW from Sac Co. I am required to notify the officer of my weapon. I always advise the officer of the weapon and then ask for permission to retrieve my ID.
I have seen to many officers get nervous and jumpy (rightfully so) when there is to much movement in the car and someone is searching for their ID, registration and proof of Ins. Sometimes its better to wait and ask permission. Especially if the officer is looking for felons and you happen to be in a vehicle that matches the description. This has happened to me.
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Keep in mind If you get stopped by a game warden or other LEO and you say "well so and so on CalGuns said that this was ok and legal" That warden or LEO is gonna laugh at you and cite you. Advice here is mostly good advice but its best to familiarize yourself with the laws & if needed contact DFW. or local Law Enforcement Always confirm it for yourself. Ignorance is no excuse. |
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