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Old 02-19-2014, 5:22 PM
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Let's say you had two similar vehicles, for example a Toyota Tacoma, but one is 4wd with stock street tires and the 2wd has a good aggressive off-road tire. Which one do you guys think would do better off road?
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The one with the better driver.
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The one with the better driver.
That is a good point. If one does not know how to "wheel", a good driver in a 2wd with a locker can go where the 4wd won't.
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The one with the better driver.
Beat me to it!

Depends on how you define "off-road". Driving to a good shooting spot that hard to get to, mountain roads in the snow, mud, big rocks: 4wd. Going fast in the desert, hard pack dirt, washes, roads, whoops, etc: 2wd
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The one with the better driver.
THIS!! All day!!


It doesn't matter how capable the vehicle is if the driver isn't capable.
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THIS!! All day!!


It doesn't matter how capable the vehicle is if the driver isn't capable.
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It doesn't matter how capable the vehicle is if the driver isn't capable.
Not entirely true, a properly setup vehicle can crutch a poor driver quite a bit. My grandson (that's him in the pic) drove my Early Bronco (behind him) over the entire Gold Mountain Trail in Big Bear, CA at 8 years old.

Locked F/R, automatic trans, 35" tires, 4:30 gears.

On this trip over the Mojave Road, he drove the Ranger the whole way as long as we were off the paved road (which was MOST of the trip).
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The one with the better driver.
Op asked if YOU had those vehicles. Which would do better.


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Op asked if YOU had those vehicles. Which would do better.
Ahhh ... conditionals in theoreticals.

I have a 4x4 but seldom use it. That's because I have aggressive offroad tires, plus I know how to drive off road.

If you know what you're doing, you can get to most places with either vehicle. The 4x4, tires, lift, winch, lockers, all that stuff is for "just in case" situations. But all that equipment mentioned, the only thing that gets you out of situations is the winch. Everything else gets you INTO situations.

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That written, nothing beats a locked jeep.


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Ahhh ... conditionals in theoreticals.

I have a 4x4 but seldom use it. That's because I have aggressive offroad tires, plus I know how to drive off road.

If you know what you're doing, you can get to most places with either vehicle. The 4x4, tires, lift, winch, lockers, all that stuff is for "just in case" situations. But all that equipment mentioned, the only thing that gets you out of situations is the winch. Everything else gets you INTO situations.



A locked Toyota. (This is a gun forum, so that was in good jest.)

Toyotas do great and we've rescued some, but we've rescued just as many stock jeeps. And like you, I run a lot of trails in 2wd. But once it gets steep and loose 4wd is way smoother. My lockers rarely go on, but when they do I'm pretty happy to have them. I've never needed the winch for me. But there is always someone out there stuck pretty bad that's been happy to see it.

The OP question, though lacking details about what kind of off roading, was pretty straight forward. Which would do better for you?
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The OP question, though lacking details about what kind of off roading, was pretty straight forward. Which would do better for you?
The 4x4 makes everything easier. How's that?

But in the tradition of the OP's question, a 4x4 with standard tires and a 4x2 with offroad tires can be pretty close in the hands of a skilled driver.
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intended application?

If you are going over Sand then the one with better tires.
if you are going over large rocks, then 4x4
if you are going over ICE then the one with better tires
if you are going over SNOW then the one with better tires
if you are going over deep mud/Deep snow then hopefully you have both 4x4 with good tires.
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LOL so true.

4 wheel drive doesn't mean anything if you don't have lockers. Without lockers you can get stuck if 1 front tire and 1 rear tire don't have any traction because the power is applied to the tire with the least resistance. Most 4x4 vehicles come stock with some sort of locking differentials but its something you should look into. Your 2 wheel drive truck more likely then not wont have a locking diff. So if 1 drive tire is off the ground or your stuck in the mud its not going to be easy to get out.

I would get some slightly larger than stock all-terrains for your 4x4 and lockers if your truck doesn't have them already. Next you should look at a highlift jack. I think Harbor Freight sells them for around $50 and they can be used as a manual winch if you do get stuck. If you dont have much experience off-roading the most important parts are wheel placement and knowing where your diff is. The # 1 cause of newbies getting stuck is getting hung up of a their rear diff.

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Define "off-road"?

High speed desert running?
Low speed rock crawling?
Mud?
etc?

In general, the 4WD will ALWAYS do better then the 2WD and it is VERY simple to upgrade the tires on it.

I have watched several drivers come away greatly disappointed (and with damaged vehicles) because they thought since their TRD Prerunner "looked" like a 4WD that it would do anything a real 4WD could.

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Define "off-road"?
I was leaving Casper WY on October and driving to catch a flight in Salt Lake...

About 8-10" of snow was on the highway... We waited until two big rigs came along and then fell in behind them to ride in their tracks and they were compacting the snow...

Even with that help, I kept the Explorer in 4H and drove along between 40-45MPH. At one point I thought the snow was light enough to switch back into 2H and the explorer got squirley... so back into 4H....


You can do a lot with 2WD but 4 has a lot of advantages....

And when off roading- 2 WD going in... 4 WD to get out as needed
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4wd

Even with stock tires & open diff's, the 4wd will easly go where the 2wd cannot.
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Tires are a non issues, can easily be changed. I am going to assume general purpose off-road usage here, nothing specialized... I would never buy a truck or SUV without 4WD... at least for what I do off road.

Buying 2WD isn't even an option.

But I agree with the others, application does play a role, for example pre-runner style setups.
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It definitely depends on what kind of "offroad" you would be doing. For the most part 4x4 will get you more places in a calm manner where the 2x4 will require more momentum, power, weight, traction, ect. a well equipped 2x4 will get you pretty far if you know how to manipulate the vehicle but will require more aggressive driving
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It definitely depends on what kind of "offroad" you would be doing. For the most part 4x4 will get you more places in a calm manner where the 2x4 will require more momentum, power, weight, traction, ect. a well equipped 2x4 will get you pretty far if you know how to manipulate the vehicle but will require more aggressive driving
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Bingo.

That written, nothing beats a locked jeep.
Except for a geared & locked Landcruiser

















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Top heavy and over weight.......but its better than any honda/yotor soccermom suv nowadays.
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That written, nothing beats a locked jeep.


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Bingo.

That written, nothing beats a locked jeep.
Judging by the lame action pix (in driveway?) posted by heep owners, it seems a locked Early Bronco beats it easily. That's mine at the start of Doran Canyon in Calico, CA and I don't care how aggressive you drive a 2WD rig it AIN'T going up that waterfall.

If you look closely you can see the people that took the pictures are in each others picture.


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Judging by the lame action pix (in driveway?) posted by heep owners, it seems a locked Early Bronco beats it easily. That's mine at the start of Doran Canyon in Calico, CA and I don't care how aggressive you drive a 2WD rig it AIN'T going up that waterfall.

If you look closely you can see the people that took the pictures are in each others picture.



We wheeled with a bunch of broncos out in Moab. They did OK. Lots of stalling on the steep stuff though. And I don't remember using my lockers at all while running with that bunch so......

PS. The only time a jeep gets a hoof that high is when the driver f'd up. Articulation you don't have.

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Judging by the lame action pix (in driveway?) posted by heep owners, it seems a locked Early Bronco beats it easily. That's mine at the start of Doran Canyon in Calico, CA and I don't care how aggressive you drive a 2WD rig it AIN'T going up that waterfall.

If you look closely you can see the people that took the pictures are in each others picture.


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Judging by the lame action pix (in driveway?) posted by heep owners, it seems a locked Early Bronco beats it easily. That's mine at the start of Doran Canyon in Calico, CA and I don't care how aggressive you drive a 2WD rig it AIN'T going up that waterfall.

If you look closely you can see the people that took the pictures are in each others picture.


*sigh* Another noob in a bronco who think they are cool. Is the Hammers trails good enough for you? Enjoy your rust bucket.
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We wheeled with a bunch of broncos out in Moab. They did OK. Lots of stalling on the steep stuff though. And I don't remember using my lockers at all while running with that bunch so......

PS. The only time a jeep gets a hoof that high is when the driver f'd up. Articulation you don't have.
Kind of Master Of the Obvious there aren't you? Injection-vs-carbs so yes Broncos will stall, just like pre-injection heeps do. Plenty of EBs are getting set up with Mustang injection systems though so not such a worry anymore.

That hole is big enough for a man to stand in so I don't care how much articulation you got it ain't going to keep all four planted. My lack of articulation didn't seem to impede my progress though.

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*sigh* Another noob in a bronco who think they are cool. Is the Hammers trails good enough for you? Enjoy your rust bucket.
"Noob"?...hardly. If that is you driving I would venture I was wheeling before you even had a license. And been-there-done-that-got-the-tshirt on the Hammers as well. I first wheeled them over 12 years ago.

Enjoy walking after the EMP everyone talks about in here turns your heep into a boulder for me to crawl over. My "rust bucket" also has no car payment, costs about $50 to register and insurance is $250 a year. Plus I built it myself and know every nut/bolt on it and how to fix it.
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It definitely depends on what kind of "offroad" you would be doing. For the most part 4x4 will get you more places in a calm manner where the 2x4 will require more momentum, power, weight, traction, ect. a well equipped 2x4 will get you pretty far if you know how to manipulate the vehicle but will require more aggressive driving

Herbst years of 4WD FAIL in the baja 1000 comes to mind.
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Herbst years of 4WD FAIL in the baja 1000 comes to mind.
Speaking of Baja 4x4, how about this for a BOV?

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Let's say you had two similar vehicles, for example a Toyota Tacoma, but one is 4wd with stock street tires and the 2wd has a good aggressive off-road tire. Which one do you guys think would do better off road?
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Don't forget that just because you have a 4x4, it doesn't mean you won't get into trouble wheeling. It might just get you stuck farther in the trail than a 4x2 if you don't know what you're doing.

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Don't forget that just because you have a 4x4, it doesn't mean you won't get into trouble wheeling. It might just get you stuck farther in the trail than a 4x2 if you don't know what you're doing.

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Don't forget that just because you have a 4x4, it doesn't mean you won't get into trouble wheeling. It might just get you stuck farther in the trail than a 4x2 if you don't know what you're doing.

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I remember that...

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I would be mad they put the off road tires on the 2wd truck. Seriously, 4wd.
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I'll agree with the others that stated... "The one with the better driver". Yet I will also add a disclosure to the previous. If the driver is a novice or mediocre driver, they would be better off in the 4X4. The reason I say this is that it, in some ways, decreases the likely hood of a novice or mediocre driver getting stuck.
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