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Old 01-17-2017, 7:25 AM
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What do you guys use in your car to secure your firearms? Brands, models, ease of use? I should have my CCW in a couple weeks and want to see what's out there.
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Santa Cruz gun locks, large universal. Holds my AR nicely secure and out of view. Pistol stays on me, and if not, it goes in the steel lock box in back.
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Right, I get it. What if you have to do business where you can't carry? Leave it at home all together?
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Santa Cruz gun locks, large universal. Holds my AR nicely secure and out of view. Pistol stays on me, and if not, it goes in the steel lock box in back.
Is this in your duty vehicle? If not which steel lock box?
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Right, I get it. What if you have to do business where you can't carry? Leave it at home all together?
I don't give them my business but it all seriousness I have a lockable cargo carrier if I needed to disarm.
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A console vault is illegal if it's in the same place as a center console, same with a glove box. I have one under my drivers seat.
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Is this in your duty vehicle? If not which steel lock box?
I picked up a McWelco box at a state auction. It's MUCH better quality and security than just about any regular truck toolbox out there. The Santa Cruz lock, I bought from them and installed myself in my truck. I've got the older style of the following, which is a heavier gauge steel and I think a better design, but still very similar to this:
http://mcwelco.com/v-series.html

And one of these that I designed a pretty simple yet effective steel rail that is welded to the truck.
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I'm confident that they are both plenty secure to prevent the vast majority of vehicle burglaries that would result in losing my stuff.
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Same, I secure it in my pants. Or in my backpack if I'm doing something that may compromise concealment.
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A console vault is illegal if it's in the same place as a center console, same with a glove box. I have one under my drivers seat.
Where is this codified?
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I don't give them my business but it all seriousness I have a lockable cargo carrier if I needed to disarm.
Is it in the cab of your car? How do you get it into a cargo carrier without showing? Like I said, new to CCW and just looking for options. I don't want to have to move out of the car to secure it.
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Is it in the cab of your car? How do you get it into a cargo carrier without showing? Like I said, new to CCW and just looking for options. I don't want to have to move out of the car to secure it.
No it's on the roof rack. That's a back up. I plan where I go so I don't have to disarm. If I do then it's very sneakily or wrapped in a sweatshirt or rag. I also carry a GHB so it can go in there then the carrier.
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This is what I have... It's a Jeep Renegade so there is no trunk. I screwed the lock box into the panel that covers the spare tire in the cargo area, then drilled and put a grommet so I can pass the security cable underneath where it connects to the seat frame. Nothing crazy, but looks clean and would be a little more difficult to steal this configuration IMO

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http://www.consolevault.com/

Click the link and check out console vault. Very high quality and very secure. I have used one of years.
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Drive a stick shift. Most thieves won't give it a second look.

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I have a Tuffy console in my truck. Pretty much the same as a console vault, but less stealthy.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/man...icle-1.1153530
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I usually just keep a rifle and mags in my trunk
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This is what I have... It's a Jeep Renegade so there is no trunk. I screwed the lock box into the panel that covers the spare tire in the cargo area, then drilled and put a grommet so I can pass the security cable underneath where it connects to the seat frame. Nothing crazy, but looks clean and would be a little more difficult to steal this configuration IMO

Yes, this one.
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Under drivers seat, with cable to seat frame, biometric for fast opening.
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A console vault is illegal if it's in the same place as a center console, same with a glove box. I have one under my drivers seat.
OP stated for ccw. Console is fine, with or without any kind of vault.
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Storing a firearm in the center console or glove box is illegal here even if it can be locked. I'm not a web ace, look it up yourself.
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A console vault is illegal if it's in the same place as a center console, same with a glove box. I have one under my drivers seat.
No way. Vault is vault.

"Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment."

A console is not a locked container, but one may put a locked container in a console.

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Storing a firearm in the center console or glove box is illegal here even if it can be locked. I'm not a web ace, look it up yourself.
Where is this codified?

Meaning. What law makes it illegal to have a handgun stored in a locked container which is inside of the center console or glove box, as is being discussed and you are claiming is illegal?

Short answer: There is not a law that says what you claim.
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Storing a firearm in the center console or glove box is illegal here even if it can be locked. I'm not a web ace, look it up yourself.
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Where is this codified?

Meaning. What law makes it illegal to have a handgun stored in a locked container which is inside of the center console or glove box, as is being discussed and you are claiming is illegal?

Short answer: There is not a law that says what you claim.
Relevant PC is 25140, it was added/effective 1 Jan 2017 based on SB 869 signed last summer.

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(a) A person shall, when leaving a handgun in an unattended vehicle, lock the handgun in the vehicle’s trunk, lock the handgun in a locked container and place the container out of plain view, or lock the handgun in a locked container that is permanently affixed to the vehicle’s interior and not in plain view.
(b) A violation of subdivision (a) is an infraction punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000).
(c) (1) As used in this section, “vehicle” has the same meaning as specified in Section 670 of the Vehicle Code.
(2) As used in this section, “locked container” has the same meaning as specified in Section 16850.
(3) For purposes of this section, a vehicle is unattended when a person who is lawfully carrying or transporting a handgun in a vehicle is not within close enough proximity to the vehicle to reasonably prevent unauthorized access to the vehicle or its contents.
(d) This section does not apply to a peace officer during circumstances requiring immediate aid or action that are within the course of his or her official duties.
(e) This section does not supersede any local ordinance that regulates the storage of handguns in unattended vehicles if the ordinance was in effect before the date of enactment of the act that added this section.
(Added by Stats. 2016, Ch. 651, Sec. 1. Effective January 1, 2017.)
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OP stated for ccw. Console is fine, with or without any kind of vault.
That used to be true but with the addition of 25140 I am no longer certain it is.
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"but does not include the utility or glove compartment."

A console is not a locked container, but one may put a locked container in a console.
There you have it. Any LEO can determine a gun in the center console is illegal, whether it has a lock or not, whether it's made of steel or plastic. You must first place it into it's own locked case first. A case in a case.
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No, Jimi Jah. You are wrong. Your words said that storing it in the center console was illegal, when it clearly is NOT illegal in some circumstances.

You first said that a console vault, inside the console, is illegal to store a gun in. It is not. Good job. Ace.
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OP stated for ccw. Console is fine, with or without any kind of vault.
Can you cite the PC for this? I can't seem to find it....

EDIT: This has been gone over ad-nauseam before: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-983748.html

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No, Jimi Jah. You are wrong. Your words said that storing it in the center console was illegal, when it clearly is NOT illegal in some circumstances.
You are correct. Those circumstances are having a CCW.

PC 25400 says:

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A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when the person does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle that is under the person's control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(2) Carries concealed upon the person any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which the person is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
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Section 25400 does not apply to, or affect, the carrying of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person by a person who is authorized to carry that weapon in a concealed manner pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150).
So yeah, CCW can have the firearm anywhere in the vehicle.

But if you LEAVE the vehicle, PC 25140 now applies. Before 25140 leaving the gun in vehicle was a grey area. So putting a storage vault in the center console and storing the gun there would not be a violation of the law for a CCW holder regardless of weather they are in or out of the vehicle. Transportation rules would still apply for a non-CCW holder (unloaded and locked in a container) but the center console as the place for the vault might be questionable.
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Can you cite the PC for this? I can't seem to find it....
OP stated for CCW and there's no restriction on where your firearm is.

If the thread changed to storage of a firearm in an unattended vehicle then CA PC 25140 "Criminal Storage of Firearms" applies.

25140 clarifies storage in an unattended vehicle and says in the trunk or "lock the handgun in a locked container and place the container out of plain view, or lock the handgun in a locked container that is permanently affixed to the vehicle’s interior and not in plain view".

Then refers to Section 16850 which excludes the glove compartment or console as a locked container.

I'll suggest, that a gun in a console vault satisfies 21540's requirments of 1. a locked container, 2. container is hidden and 3. permanently attached to the vehicle.

It's clear that simply dropping your gun in the console and locking it is prohibited.

IMHO it's also clear that 25140 does not exclude permanently attaching a locking vault, out of sight, inside your console. In that case, you are not attempting to use the console as 'a locked container' and 16850 doesn't apply. PCs never tell you what you *can* do, they only state what you *can't* do.

As with everything else, if your car is being tossed by a LEO who hasn't been laid recently, he might decide to write you up for it. But that applies to about 12,000 other 'what if' scenarios.

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OP stated for CCW and there's no restriction on where your firearm is.

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You didn't read my full post right above your reply, did you?
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You didn't read my full post right above your reply, did you?
Yes, but you were writing yours the same time I was writing mine. You just clicked your go button first
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Just lock it in your trunk.
Difficult to do if you drive a pickup truck. And the first thing any thief will do after breaking in your car is pop the trunk to get the good stuff.
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Here's a product I recently purchased. It's a CONSOLE VAULT (that's the brand name) "Security Briefcase".
http://www.consolevault.com/security...l#.WIFbirEUXbc

or, along with some other products,

https://www.corporatetravelsafety.co...vel-safes.html

Also, Liberty Safe (click on "PRODUCTS", then "HANDGUN VAULTS")
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Yes, but you were writing yours the same time I was writing mine. You just clicked your go button first
If you follow that link i provided, it leads to post from some years ago where you actually spell it all out quite clear. I just checked and regurgitated the PC that you had pointed out!
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If you follow that link i provided, it leads to post from some years ago where you actually spell it all out quite clear. I just checked and regurgitated the PC that you had pointed out!
LOL yes, scrolled through some and saw I had contributed to almost identical threads. Didn't reread much of my own posts

Sort of nice that 21540 clarifies vehicle storage. Previously it was far too vague. But it does change some of the old discussions.
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i use the hornady tripoint lock box with an upgraded security cable. If the gun has to go in the lockbox, I'll stop at one parking lot, secure the gun, then go to my destination.
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Can you cite the PC for this? I can't seem to find it....

EDIT: This has been gone over ad-nauseam before: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-983748.html



You are correct. Those circumstances are having a CCW.

PC 25400 says:



and...

PC 25655 says:



So yeah, CCW can have the firearm anywhere in the vehicle.

But if you LEAVE the vehicle, PC 25140 now applies. Before 25140 leaving the gun in vehicle was a grey area. So putting a storage vault in the center console and storing the gun there would not be a violation of the law for a CCW holder regardless of weather they are in or out of the vehicle. Transportation rules would still apply for a non-CCW holder (unloaded and locked in a container) but the center console as the place for the vault might be questionable.
I was told the gun can be in the car but must be within reach for your control only. He specifically said not in the glove box. The issue is passenger safety.
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I was told the gun can be in the car but must be within reach for your control only. He specifically said not in the glove box. The issue is passenger safety.
Eh. I've been told that it was absolutely illegal regardless of circumstances by jimi jah, and I've been told that it's perfectly legal regardless of circumstances by ...others.

Neither are right. I would trust "I was told", no matter who toldja.
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