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Is this in your duty vehicle? If not which steel lock box?
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I don't give them my business but it all seriousness I have a lockable cargo carrier if I needed to disarm.
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I picked up a McWelco box at a state auction. It's MUCH better quality and security than just about any regular truck toolbox out there. The Santa Cruz lock, I bought from them and installed myself in my truck. I've got the older style of the following, which is a heavier gauge steel and I think a better design, but still very similar to this:
http://mcwelco.com/v-series.html And one of these that I designed a pretty simple yet effective steel rail that is welded to the truck. http://santacruzgunlocks.com/product...ersal-gunlock/ I'm confident that they are both plenty secure to prevent the vast majority of vehicle burglaries that would result in losing my stuff. |
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Same, I secure it in my pants. Or in my backpack if I'm doing something that may compromise concealment.
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Where is this codified?
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Fort Knox auto pistol box
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Is it in the cab of your car? How do you get it into a cargo carrier without showing? Like I said, new to CCW and just looking for options. I don't want to have to move out of the car to secure it.
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No it's on the roof rack. That's a back up. I plan where I go so I don't have to disarm. If I do then it's very sneakily or wrapped in a sweatshirt or rag. I also carry a GHB so it can go in there then the carrier.
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This is what I have... It's a Jeep Renegade so there is no trunk. I screwed the lock box into the panel that covers the spare tire in the cargo area, then drilled and put a grommet so I can pass the security cable underneath where it connects to the seat frame. Nothing crazy, but looks clean and would be a little more difficult to steal this configuration IMO
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http://www.consolevault.com/
Click the link and check out console vault. Very high quality and very secure. I have used one of years. |
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Drive a stick shift. Most thieves won't give it a second look.
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I usually just keep a rifle and mags in my trunk |
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OP stated for ccw. Console is fine, with or without any kind of vault.
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"Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment." A console is not a locked container, but one may put a locked container in a console. Last edited by God Bless America; 01-18-2017 at 8:37 AM.. |
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Meaning. What law makes it illegal to have a handgun stored in a locked container which is inside of the center console or glove box, as is being discussed and you are claiming is illegal? Short answer: There is not a law that says what you claim. |
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There you have it. Any LEO can determine a gun in the center console is illegal, whether it has a lock or not, whether it's made of steel or plastic. You must first place it into it's own locked case first. A case in a case.
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No, Jimi Jah. You are wrong. Your words said that storing it in the center console was illegal, when it clearly is NOT illegal in some circumstances.
You first said that a console vault, inside the console, is illegal to store a gun in. It is not. Good job. Ace. |
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EDIT: This has been gone over ad-nauseam before: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-983748.html Quote:
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But if you LEAVE the vehicle, PC 25140 now applies. Before 25140 leaving the gun in vehicle was a grey area. So putting a storage vault in the center console and storing the gun there would not be a violation of the law for a CCW holder regardless of weather they are in or out of the vehicle. Transportation rules would still apply for a non-CCW holder (unloaded and locked in a container) but the center console as the place for the vault might be questionable.
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OP stated for CCW and there's no restriction on where your firearm is.
If the thread changed to storage of a firearm in an unattended vehicle then CA PC 25140 "Criminal Storage of Firearms" applies. 25140 clarifies storage in an unattended vehicle and says in the trunk or "lock the handgun in a locked container and place the container out of plain view, or lock the handgun in a locked container that is permanently affixed to the vehicle’s interior and not in plain view". Then refers to Section 16850 which excludes the glove compartment or console as a locked container. I'll suggest, that a gun in a console vault satisfies 21540's requirments of 1. a locked container, 2. container is hidden and 3. permanently attached to the vehicle. It's clear that simply dropping your gun in the console and locking it is prohibited. IMHO it's also clear that 25140 does not exclude permanently attaching a locking vault, out of sight, inside your console. In that case, you are not attempting to use the console as 'a locked container' and 16850 doesn't apply. PCs never tell you what you *can* do, they only state what you *can't* do. As with everything else, if your car is being tossed by a LEO who hasn't been laid recently, he might decide to write you up for it. But that applies to about 12,000 other 'what if' scenarios. Last edited by ElDub1950; 01-19-2017 at 11:06 AM.. |
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You didn't read my full post right above your reply, did you?
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"The best gun is the one you'll have on you when you need it the most, the one you know how to use, the one that goes BANG every single time you pull the trigger. Whether that gun cost you $349 or $1,100 it's worth every penny if it saves your life, or the life of someone you love.” -Tim Schmit, CCW Magazine July 2015 NRA Lifetime Member : CalGuns Lifetime Member : GOA Lifetime Member |
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Yes, but you were writing yours the same time I was writing mine. You just clicked your go button first
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Difficult to do if you drive a pickup truck. And the first thing any thief will do after breaking in your car is pop the trunk to get the good stuff.
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Here's a product I recently purchased. It's a CONSOLE VAULT (that's the brand name) "Security Briefcase".
http://www.consolevault.com/security...l#.WIFbirEUXbc or, along with some other products, https://www.corporatetravelsafety.co...vel-safes.html Also, Liberty Safe (click on "PRODUCTS", then "HANDGUN VAULTS") http://libertysafe.com
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If you follow that link i provided, it leads to post from some years ago where you actually spell it all out quite clear. I just checked and regurgitated the PC that you had pointed out!
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Sort of nice that 21540 clarifies vehicle storage. Previously it was far too vague. But it does change some of the old discussions. |
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i use the hornady tripoint lock box with an upgraded security cable. If the gun has to go in the lockbox, I'll stop at one parking lot, secure the gun, then go to my destination.
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Neither are right. I would trust "I was told", no matter who toldja. |
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