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Guys that is the new radlock, and there is a 5 round mag in the box wrapped with paper
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Don't worry guys it's there , just the second gen version of the radlock
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Saiga 12 Raddlock
I believe this batch of the Atlantic Firearms are shipped with Saiga12 Raddlock installed. They are our Version 2 Saiga 12 Raddlock.
Please I have made some revision changes to make it fit after market magazines specifically for the AGP Magazines. I will post some more pictures of the reason for this update later. But this is something that you can modify to make Saiga 12 Raddlock to work more reliable with AGP magazines.
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No drilling required on the Saiga 12. The mag-catch dowel pin is pressed fit. You will just need to use a 3/32" punch to punch it out from right to left and I recommend installing it back the same direction right to left.
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I will have to look closer when I pick the shotgun up...but it didn't look like the mag lock was installed, I was in a hurry though. If anyone picks up can you confirm if yours is installed?
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You guys should take this discussion offline with Atlantic via PM
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Hey guys, how's this for irony .... Ends up i need to sell the one i got =(
A couple unforeseen expenses came up, so it'll be unshot , pm me for details or hit up my ad on the private sales forum . I'm also going to post a sale for an RIA 9mm tactical
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Took it out shooting today.
All the original accessories are included, and yes the 5 round mag too. Radd lock was installed and spare mag lever parts are included.
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CONGRATS JASON!!!!! Shoot in good health....go get em!
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Guys my FFL almost did not take the transfer because he was able to force the mag out of the well by just yanking on the mag. Fortunately the gunsmith on site was able to do as stated above buy mr. Raddlock to make it work properly, however the shotgun was shipped into the state illegally configured. Please make sure you file down the area shown above and ensure your saigas are legit!
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Anyone have problems removing their mags with the Raddlock tool? The only time I've been able to successfully remove a mag with the Raddlock tool, I took a chunk of my finger out too in the process. Otherwise, I'm only able to remove it with a flat head screwdriver. Any tips?
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I had the updated Raddlock installed on my Saiga 12 that I purchased elsewhere and the included mag removal tool would not fit with the ridges on my SGM 10 round mag. I ended up breaking off the handle on a pair of chrome toe nail clippers and used the curved end (where your thumb would press). With the rounded edge, proper curvature and slippery chrome feel, this worked pretty well as an alternate tool. I had concerns with the Raddlock being plastic as IMO wear may make it unreliable. Im having an all metal traditional bullet button being installed right now because of this. Just my 2 cents! |
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Cant wait to get mine, first thing Im going to do after the conversion is put a decent mag lock on it. I'm not a big fan of the raddlock ones, they seem tricky with the promags and apparently other mags as well. The tool and mechanism are plastic and kinda proprietary, I want to make one or buy one that I can use a bullet tip.
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All Saiga 12 Shotguns would be shipped with a Radlock installed and the original mags & accessories that came with each gun. We also included the Radlock instructions etc in the box. We converted the entire batch for the group buy in one day and we have not been contacted by any FFL dealers about guns arriving with out mags or locks.
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These Saigas kinda look like they don't have a mag lock installed because they don't have the familiar mag lock "box" bolted/riveted to the bottom. I was a little confused at first as well but it's there. I think this one is nice: you're not paying for a mag lock that works on the import version that will no longer work after you convert it. My conversion is done, and I can confirm that the mag lock works on both configurations. Also, no problem here with accessories, there was actually WAY more stuff in the box than I anticipated.
Also, guess I'm not returning it now
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Took mine out shooting, radlock and mag were there. I bought a 10rd promag as well. The factory mag would not stay in with the radlock, after every shot it would eject, the promag stayed in but it is a pita to get it back off. I think I'm just gonna go to PRK and get one of there locks and switch it back out. It fired the green Remington 100 pack just fine on setting 2, would not cycle on 1
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Saigas need breaking in. Mine wouldn't cycle at first, but towards the end of the day everything was cycling well.
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Shot mine after I picked it up. Very happy. The reliability kit really makes a difference. Was able to shoot 7 1/2 birdshot on setting 5 with no malfunctions pretty much outta the box. Also did about 15 or so slugs on setting 1. Great gun, very happy. Thanks atlantic!
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Saigas right out of the box will oftentimes not cycle "low brass" bird shot commonly found at Walmart (100 shells/~$20). They generally require some breaking in or some polishing in order to do it.
The reliability kit in question is from Carolina Shooters, and is meant to make the S12 reliable with these very affordable shells. It consists of a lighter front spring, a more efficient gas puck, and an extended gas adjustment knob with 5 settings. I went with RyanInSD to shoot our Saigas twice, once at the local range and once outdoors. His functioned flawlessly the first day with the cheap stuff while mine suffered from the mag dropping out after each shot (an issue with my mags and the radlock that was solved after a slight modification). The second time out, both worked well. I didn't get the reliability kit for mine but did get the lighter spring, and found that - on setting 2 and feeding from a gen 2 Promag 10-rounder - was all I needed to run the low brass shells. I'll do a full range report within the week and post it here. |
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I just want to add my .02 regarding the mag dropping out issue. I was the first guy who posted the issue here a couple months ago. I usually don't like to complain in a public forum, but in this case I feel compelled since so many of you are having problems now. Cut to the chase, after my initial post here, Radd sent me a new stiffer spring and new mag latch to try out. I went to the range to test it and the AGM 10rd mags still popped out... looking like an idiot in front of a bunch of my friends. I spoke to AGP and they suggested to file the underside of the mag lip. I gave it a shot even though my engineering gut told me it would not work. Went to the range again, mags still popping out. I ended up sanding down the steel clip to create more room for the latch to positively engage the mag. Went a 3rd time and it worked. Called up Raddlock and patiently explained to them how I solved the problem and they ended up with the solution you see above. Problem was NOT the mag it was the latch being too thick to properly engage the mag. A full 10rd mag is 2x heavier and has a bigger lever arm than a stock mag, especially with buckshot.
What's evident is that I spent alot of my time and effort diagnosing and solving a problem that raddlock should have tested and resolved, BEFORE they shipped product to customers. So I asked raddlock to at least compensate me by replacing my now unusable mag (which he ended buying 2 for testing) or send me one of their other products that I needed. I thought it was a reasonable thing to ask for, but he took it the wrong way and got all upset because he thought I was just trying to get free stuff and also accusing him of being dumb. Seriously??!! That was not the case at all. He continues by saying he did all the work and I'm just a dumb engineering student. Having worked for many mfg firms including Haas automation and delwest engineering as a mfg and process engineer for many years, I don't think so... So fine, I waited 2 weeks to see if he would at least replace my mag. Nothing. So basically... Everyone that bought a saiga 12 on this group buy will have this mag popping problem. Raddlock should provide a stiffer spring and a new latch to address the issue. People should NOT have to modify a product that could be a huge safety liability and CA DOJ illegal, via mags popping out without a tool. Cheap advice, before any company releases a new product they need to test it with all variations before releasing to the public. Especially if it's related to a firearm that is a huge safety liability issue. Even though I modified the AGP mag, the problem was the design of the raddlock latch. AGP mags work perfectly fine with the OEM latch. But what do I know? I'm just a dumb engineering student... Last edited by encore889; 02-07-2012 at 11:25 AM.. |
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Just finished my conversion last night, adding a pistol grip and moving the trigger group forward. Happy to say that I did it with just a hammer, screw driver and file.
Now all I have to do is figure out how to fix the problem of my mags popping out. |
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Why on earth would they provide a bunch of ungrateful Calgunners with an additional group buy? I was hoping they would but if I were them after all the *****ing going on I wouldn't touch us with a 10 ft pole. Every one of these posts regarding your issues should have taken place off line. Especially the ones falsely and publicly claiming that EVERYONE received a improperly configured rifle without verifying it as the truth. You know what they say about assumptions..... great work guys, I'll bet this is the last group buy Atlantic Arms participates in.
Someone lock this post please, it is now useless.
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cliff notes from a buyer: I got my S12, Im very happy with it and the price I payed. The one issue as stated before is not about atlantic but about raddlock and their cheap ill tested mag lock that doesnt work out of the box on both after market 10rnd mags I tested. Its a minor gripe but it has nothing to do with atlantic firearms who provided the group buy. I will be making a real mag lock that utlizes the factories latch. The plastic junk that raddlock sent out is shameful. I hope they get their **** together when felonies are possible... |
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Good luck with your improved mag lock.
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I was the one that said that the rifles could potentially be considered illegally configured. I just wanted to warn everyone that they should look twice at there maglock because in my situation I was able to jerk the mag out just by smacking the mag stiffly and If you are able to fire off 1 round and still able to smack out the mag with no tools, By definition you have an illegally configured assault weapon.
I have no issues with Atlantic Firearms and will continue to shop them, however I would hate to see 1 person from this group by go to jail because they did not double check their maglock and follow "the fix" that Radd posted earlier in this post. By no means did I meant to shed bad light towards Atlantic Firearms. |
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My question is, did you buy a S12 on the group buy and does your mag pop out? I count what 5-6 people that have posted the same issue now? Last edited by encore889; 02-08-2012 at 11:40 PM.. |
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Going to the range tomorrow to see if filing down the Raddlock will keep my 10 round SGM mags and 20 round ProMag Drum Mag from popping out. Last edited by 4bviper; 02-09-2012 at 12:49 AM.. |
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