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Old 08-24-2019, 8:14 PM
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OK, I just bought my first one, a model 94. 2515082.
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Hey Trapp,

Check what got delivered to me today. Made in 1912
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My '92 Winchester .44-40 has a lot of special features. Someone got me a free "record check" (not a factory letter). The frame serial number says the gun was made in 1904, but it actually left the factory in 1911. Seems they sat on the pistol grip frame until a special order eventually happened then they pulled the frame out of the bin seven years later. Here's the Cody record check and the gun. All original.



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OK, I just bought my first one, a model 94. 2515082.
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Jan. of 1962, 54500 made that year.
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Check what got delivered to me today. Made in 1912
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My '92 Winchester .44-40 has a lot of special features. Someone got me a free "record check" (not a factory letter). The frame serial number says the gun was made in 1904, but it actually left the factory in 1911. Seems they sat on the pistol grip frame until a special order eventually happened then they pulled the frame out of the bin seven years later. Here's the Cody record check and the gun. All original.



Wyatt, what I find unusual, and have never seen before, it was made in 1904, but wasn't received in the warehouse until 1911??? Where the hell was it for for 7 years?
Completed guns went straight to the warehouse for shipping, or after, waited a few months until sold, or to fill a shipment order. 7 freakin years to test fire and work out some bugs? Employee 5 finger discount until he got caught? That has to have a good story behind it.
Michael will want to catalog that one for his 1892 survey.
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Wyatt, what I find unusual, and have never seen before, it was made in 1904, but wasn't received in the warehouse until 1911??? Where the hell was it for for 7 years?
Completed guns went straight to the warehouse for shipping, or after, waited a few months until sold, or to fill a shipment order. 7 freakin years to test fire and work out some bugs? Employee 5 finger discount until he got caught? That has to have a good story behind it.
Michael will want to catalog that one for his 1892 survey.
The Winchester collector who let me use one of his "record checks" speculated that the pistol grip frame was made in 1904 and they probably just kept these stashed until a special order came in and then they would grab one. Are pistol gripped '92s so uncommon that a frame could sit there for seven years? Maybe they overlooked it all that time in inventory. I read that in the 30s I think, boxed brand new Volcanic rifles were found stashed away and Winchester sold them to employees at the front gate for fifty cents each. I think I know which book that's in.
BTW, another guy looked up the old cattle brand put on each side of the stock of this rifle and it's from a ranch that was three hours away from where I'm sitting now. Interesting that in the age of high velocity .30-30, 30-40, .30-06, etc. lever action Winchesters of the time someone really wanted a specific special ordered .44-40.
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Default Brand new Volcanic rifles in the box for 25 cents each!

This is from an old book called "Civil War Guns" by Edwards. Winchester found old unsold NIB Volcanic rifles in the warehouse somewhere in the 20s or 30s and sold them to employees for a quarter a piece. Not only pre Winchester, but pre Henry and with a S&W connection.

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Hi, Trap55. I actually have two for you. Both are 1873's in .38-40 rifles. The one in my thread is 335630B. I also have a second one that was my grandfathers #278755B.
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1358##A - Model 88. pretty sure i know but...

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Hi, Trap55. I actually have two for you. Both are 1873's in .38-40 rifles. The one in my thread is 335630B. I also have a second one that was my grandfathers #278755B.
335630B made 1890, with 43,796 made that year.

278755B made 1888, with 31710 made that year.
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1358##A - Model 88. pretty sure i know but...

Made 1962, with 11187 made that year.
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You're a ****, one picture, and no details!
Hahahah Sorry man.. Only have the one picture right now. But it is a 22 LR with brittish import marks. Its a beautiful gun. Will have my Deluxe 76 paid in full next month. Wait till you see that one!!!
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Well, since someone brought up a model 88, here's another one. I wonder if I posted it long ago in this thread. It's a pre 64 in .284 Winchester that was my dad's favorite gun. I think it's from 1963 because it's pre 64 and I believe the .284 came out in '63. A cartridge ahead of it's time. How many of these in this caliber you think were pre 64? Serial # 1435XXA. Thanks for looking this stuff up for us. I have a 10 round extended aftermarket magazine for it, too.

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That's a 1963, the lowest production pre-64 year of 9,020. The last one made in 1963 was ser# 148858. The .284 Winchester was introduced in the Models 88 and 100 for '63
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Old 08-29-2019, 12:24 AM
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Hahahah Sorry man.. Only have the one picture right now. But it is a 22 LR with brittish import marks. Its a beautiful gun. Will have my Deluxe 76 paid in full next month. Wait till you see that one!!!
I got ammo for both, after I get to shoot them, you can keep the brass.
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I got ammo for both, after I get to shoot them, you can keep the brass.
Look what followed me home on Monday. 45-60 Deluxe 76 with a set trigger. And a bore like a mirror! Second model made in 1880
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Followed you home because it went out for a walk and got lost. I can come and get it, and bring it back home.
All that fancy trimming, and no special order sights?
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Followed you home because it went out for a walk and got lost. I can come and get it, and bring it back home.
All that fancy trimming, and no special order sights?
Sorry Dave, she is staying with me. The only way it is coming out of my safe is if it involves an original Henry!

I am ordering a Cody letter this week. I had a friend from the WACA website do a search and it comes back as you see it. I do have a thick base long range venier sight that i might put on it.
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Hey Trapp I hope all is well.

Any info on a Winchester Model 12, SN 9684xx (I don't want Google indexing my SN ).

It looks like it started life as a USGI Riot gun in 1943? Then made it's way to the Sacramento Police Dept.





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Hey Trapp I hope all is well.

Any info on a Winchester Model 12, SN 9684xx (I don't want Google indexing my SN ).

It looks like it started life as a USGI Riot gun in 1943? Then made it's way to the Sacramento Police Dept.
Looting Sac PD cars for C&R's now? Cool find, that's one you wish could talk.
Made Jan of 1942, with 105,207 made that year. Can't recall the numbers, but a lot were Riot or Trench configuration, higher numbers of Riot. I'll ask Bert next time I talk to him, he had more info on the 97's than he did on the 12's.
Highest production year, 1953 came close with 102,035, all other years never exceeded 5 digits.
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Made Jan of 1942, with 105,207 made that year. Can't recall the numbers, but a lot were Riot or Trench configuration, higher numbers of Riot. I'll ask Bert next time I talk to him, he had more info on the 97's than he did on the 12's.
Highest production year, 1953 came close with 102,035, all other years never exceeded 5 digits.

I found this at a Carson City gun shop. As best I can tell this was manufactured to be a riot gun. I have the book "A Collector's Guide to United States Combat Shotguns" by Bruce Canfield. He states trench guns had a "CYL" stamped barrel and were not tapered. Riot guns had "CYL" and were tapered. This barrel is tapered. Training guns usually had "FULL". Some training guns were re-arsenaled and converted to riot guns by shortening the barrel, lining out "FULL" and stamping "CYL" beneath. This gun has an original "CYL" stamp as well as the flaming bomb on the barrel, and the barrel SN matches the receiver.

Thanks for the info Trap.
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TRAPP, this is gonna be a 22" half round 25-20 squirrel killing machine!!! Just have to piece it together. Should i get it CCH or just have it blued???
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I found this at a Carson City gun shop. As best I can tell this was manufactured to be a riot gun. I have the book "A Collector's Guide to United States Combat Shotguns" by Bruce Canfield. He states trench guns had a "CYL" stamped barrel and were not tapered. Riot guns had "CYL" and were tapered. This barrel is tapered. Training guns usually had "FULL". Some training guns were re-arsenaled and converted to riot guns by shortening the barrel, lining out "FULL" and stamping "CYL" beneath. This gun has an original "CYL" stamp as well as the flaming bomb on the barrel, and the barrel SN matches the receiver.

Thanks for the info Trap.
You did your homework, and these days you have to with all the fakes out there.
You picked up a Trench Mod 12 a few years ago right? Matched pair now, cool!
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TRAPP, this is gonna be a 22" half round 25-20 squirrel killing machine!!! Just have to piece it together. Should i get it CCH or just have it blued???
Krylon, I'm thinking a real tree camo.
Blue would be my choice, and you know how I love a nice color case. Color case on nice engraving is too busy, makes one detract from the other. If you really want it to bling, blue, then have the border and high spots of the engraving buffed back to "in the white".
Do you know the history on it, who did the engraving, and was it heat treated before or after? And WTH happened to the rest of it?
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You did your homework, and these days you have to with all the fakes out there.
You picked up a Trench Mod 12 a few years ago right? Matched pair now, cool!

That's classified.

Thanks for your help.
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Krylon, I'm thinking a real tree camo.
Blue would be my choice, and you know how I love a nice color case. Color case on nice engraving is too busy, makes one detract from the other. If you really want it to bling, blue, then have the border and high spots of the engraving buffed back to "in the white".
Do you know the history on it, who did the engraving, and was it heat treated before or after? And WTH happened to the rest of it?
I guy i know blows winchesters out and sells the parts.....I saw this and a 73 receiver engraved. I have the 73 on hold and will be buying it in a couple of weeks.

It is an antique so i could have Cody do a number search on it. I sent pictures to Pauline Meurrle and she said it wasn't factory but really well done. The engraving alone would cost 1k+.......I'm gonna send it to Mike Rogers. He is the president of WACA and restores winchesters.....A lot cheaper then Turnbull!
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Coming from Pauline, you know it's well done. If you pick up the '73, let me know, I'll make ya a deal on a stock set with wood to match the engraving.
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Just a matter of time before the 73 frame is in my hands
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I have an 1873 (517903B) that I aquired from my FIL a few years ago, 23"? octagon barrel in 44 WCF, measured to the front of the receiver. Other than the stepped piece missing from the rear sight it looks complete, the action function though it is very stiff.

This thing is pretty ugly, heavy surface rust, if it was blued at some point in it's life that is all gone. It looks like sometime long ago someone took sand paper to the receiver.

I've thought about sending it off to someone to have it evaluated to see if it would be worth restoring. I looked at Turnbull's site and I think they're way out of my league. I'm not a collector (my wife might argue that point) and I'm not looking to make this a museum piece, I'm just curious if this could be made into nice shooter.

Anything you can tell will be greatly appreciated.
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Made in the first half of 1898, with 9958 made that year. Under the wire to still qualify as "Antique".
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I tried posting picks but apparently I'm not smart enough to get it to work
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Just inherited my grandfatherís model 100 in .284, #757xx. Iíve done a little research, but would like to know more if anyone else can give some info.
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Just inherited my grandfatherís model 100 in .284, #757xx. Iíve done a little research, but would like to know more if anyone else can give some info.
Made in the late half of 1963, with 18,104 made that year. Same year Winchester introduced the .284 cartridge.
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Very cool! Thank you Trap
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We inherited 3 winchester lever action rifles (pre-20th century models, I looked up the serials) from my wife's father, how would I go about getting these appraised?
We live in the Chico area.
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Wrong book color.
https://www.amazon.com/Red-Book-Winc.../dp/0692476806

Sam, you'll need pics, and then they'll ask for more specific pics. These guys live, breath, and dream Winchesters.
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