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Old 01-03-2016, 10:23 AM
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The instructor said that it's going to be difficult to defend your case in court if you lighten the trigger pull weight (I guess I should have added weight in my response). They check the trigger. I'm pretty sure they don't want light triggers. He just noted to not mess with the weight of trigger pull.
On the range check, he did comment that one felt a little light and asked about where it was (I think the owner said it was 3), but still qualified the gun.

One thing I noticed was the check for tightness of the front sight.
They are basically looking for guns that actually have functional issues that may create a dangerous situation.

Trigger "work" including reliability improvements, smoothing, and spring kits are fine, so long as the pull remains in the "service" range rather than the "competition" range. A gun with a consistent 6.5lb pull is going to be easier to shoot accurately than one that pulls 5.5 on one shot and 8 on the next.

The instructor did comment that the work should be done by a competent smith and not Bubba with a Dremel.

Basically, it boils down to whether or not any modifications are defensible. It's not the county's butt on the line... it's ours, 100%.
Removing any kind of safety is not a good idea.
A gun modified by an owner with a drop-in competition trigger kit may not pose a criminal issue after a shooting, but in the civil trial, the plaintiff's attorney is going to tear you apart for modifying your gun to have a "hair trigger"
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The instructor said that it's going to be difficult to defend your case in court if you lighten the trigger pull.
Anyone know How and why? Seems that if you are in court, You may have not had cause to shoot or you may have shot someone by accident. I guess if you were in court for shooting someone accidently, An accidental discharge. It may would be harder to shift liability to the gun MFG if that was the plan?

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Anyone know How and why? Seems that if you are in court, You may have not had cause to shoot or you may have shot someone by accident. I guess if you were in court for shooting someone accidently, An accidental discharge. It may would be harder to shift liability to the gun MFG if that was the plan?
More a matter of the civil trial than criminal.

Even assuming that the homicide investigators rule it a good shoot and the DA declines to press charges, there WILL be a civil trial.

Somewhere, somebody related to the dindunuffin will claim that you wrongly took their life.

"Competition Trigger" will be referred to by the plaintiff's attorney as a "Dangerous hair trigger"

Civil trial, they only need a simple majority of the jurors to see it their way and you're living out of your car.
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More a matter of the civil trial than criminal.

Even assuming that the homicide investigators rule it a good shoot and the DA declines to press charges, there WILL be a civil trial.

Somewhere, somebody related to the dindunuffin will claim that you wrongly took their life.

"Competition Trigger" will be referred to by the plaintiff's attorney as a "Dangerous hair trigger"

Civil trial, they only need a simple majority of the jurors to see it their way and you're living out of your car.
You explained it better than me. Thanks!
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For conversation, Even if a firearm had a "Dangerous hair trigger" How would that have anything to do if the "Victim" admitted they purposefully shot the "thug" because they feared for their life? What would the prosecution alleged the "Dangerous hair trigger" did or did not contribute?

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I was on Target #1
No, I meant you explained what I was trying to explain about what the instructors said about the triggers in my earlier posts. I was in the Nov 14 Devore class.
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No, I meant you explained what I was trying to explain about what the instructors said about the triggers in my earlier posts. I was in the Nov 14 Devore class.
Info seemed fresh in your mind and spot on with that I was told.
Thought you were there.
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For conversation, Even if a firearm had a "Dangerous hair trigger" How would that have anything to do if the "Victim" admitted they purposefully shot the "thug" because they feared for their life? What would the prosecution alleged the "Dangerous hair trigger" did or did not contribute?
Logic and reason go out the window when an attorney starts to appeal to the emotions of a jury who are not your peers.

100 people called for the jury pool, odds are that ONE has a CCW.
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Well, it looks like we're possibly moving to Riverside county at the end of the month/beginning of February if everything clears escrow. My range date is 16 Jan. My "but, what about my CCP?" argument wasn't enough to convince my significant other to stay in SB county.

Should I pony up the rest of the fees and carry for 90 days before having to turn in my license or just cut my losses and wait it out in Riverside County?
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Should I pony up the rest of the fees and carry for 90 days before having to turn in my license or just cut my losses and wait it out in Riverside County?
Bummer...

It's really up to you, but the bulk of the cost is ahead of you. You've only paid around $150 or so up to now.
The range is $100, and it will be, IIRC, $188 and change at pickup day.

Personally, I wouldn't spend almost $300 just to have the permit for 90 days.

BUT....

Contact Riverside SD and see what they suggest. While having a permit denied or revoked will have a negative impact on the process there, perhaps having an existing SBC permit will "grease the wheels" and get you an earlier interview date (they are currently out over a year).

Also keep in mind that the SB good cause statement may not be sufficient in Riverside.

Also, you won't be picking up your permit until at least Jan 29... I'm not sure if they would even release it if you have already closed escrow.
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Bummer...

It's really up to you, but the bulk of the cost is ahead of you. You've only paid around $150 or so up to now.
The range is $100, and it will be, IIRC, $188 and change at pickup day.

Personally, I wouldn't spend almost $300 just to have the permit for 90 days.

BUT....

Contact Riverside SD and see what they suggest. While having a permit denied or revoked will have a negative impact on the process there, perhaps having an existing SBC permit will "grease the wheels" and get you an earlier interview date (they are currently out over a year).

Also keep in mind that the SB good cause statement may not be sufficient in Riverside.

Also, you won't be picking up your permit until at least Jan 29... I'm not sure if they would even release it if you have already closed escrow.
See if Riverside County has an abbreviated process for issuing to CCW licensees moving into the county.
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Weird I got email back to setup interview on dec 28, and my interview is June.
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Weird I got email back to setup interview on dec 28, and my interview is June.
Revised interview dates are very common, as more people apply than actually complete the process.

Think of it like waiting for a table at a restaurant.

They typically give you the worst case wait time and call you when this changes...

The surge of apps following the recent terror attacks will likely ebb away, barring new attacks.
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For conversation, Even if a firearm had a "Dangerous hair trigger" How would that have anything to do if the "Victim" admitted they purposefully shot the "thug" because they feared for their life? What would the prosecution alleged the "Dangerous hair trigger" did or did not contribute?
The argument they could make is that you were not actually in fear for your life and that you actually didn't intend to shoot but the "Dangerous hair trigger" you installed went off and killed their beloved, loving child. If hot for that hair trigger you installed Junior would still be alive today and therefor his parents should be compensated.


We are talking civil trial where they only need a majority so having a CCW on the Jury might not help you.
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The argument they could make is that you were not actually in fear for your life and that you actually didn't intend to shoot but the "Dangerous hair trigger" you installed went off and killed their beloved, loving child.

If hot for that hair trigger you installed Junior would still be alive today and therefor his parents should be compensated.


We are talking civil trial where they only need a majority so having a CCW on the Jury might not help you.
Mas Ayoob (noted gun author, policeman, expert witness etc.) has written an article which fully addresses this topic...

http://smith-wessonforum.com/conceal...liability.html
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I knew that was going to happen.

My brother and I both got our email yesterday.

My date got pushed back to the 18th and my brother got the 5th.

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Weird I got email back to setup interview on dec 28, and my interview is June.

Yeah, there's something weird with that guys schedule.
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I submitted my application today, when I got to the interview schedule and chose a date (which is not until August) I got an error and when I hit the back button it said my ssn is already in the system. Anyone else have this problem?

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Application May 15
Call to schedule interview May 18
Interview August 13
Residence check October 21.
I called on day 92 (Nov 13) and was told that I had cleared background but my application was being circulated for the needed signatures.
Call to schedule range December 1
Range @ Apple Valley Jan 2
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I submitted my application yesterday and got an interview date in late August. My wife did hers Monday and there were no dates available. She got an email the next day and was able to choose a date in early April.
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I submitted my application yesterday and got an interview date in late August. My wife did hers Monday and there were no dates available. She got an email the next day and was able to choose a date in early April.
Well that makes sense, you'd think if there was cancellations they'd ask the next person on the list by app date.
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Application May 15
Call to schedule interview May 18
Interview August 13
Residence check October 21.
I called on day 92 (Nov 13) and was told that I had cleared background but my application was being circulated for the needed signatures.
Call to schedule range December 1
Range @ Apple Valley Jan 2
Jan 8 - Has permit!
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Quite liberating out with the wife today.

Gotta' get her to shut up though. Apparently she didn't realize I was carrying (she saw me before I put my shirt on, but apparently thought I took it off before heading downstairs).
So like the 3rd stop of the day was Carl's to get drinks. She noticed the floorplate on the spare mag when I pulled the car keys and, right in the middle of the parking lot (with two teenage girls about 20ft behind her) YOU HAVE YOUR GUN?
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Quite liberating out with the wife today.

Gotta' get her to shut up though.

Apparently she didn't realize I was carrying (she saw me before I put my shirt on, but apparently thought I took it off before heading downstairs).

So like the 3rd stop of the day was Carl's to get drinks.

She noticed the floorplate on the spare mag when I pulled the car keys and,

right in the middle of the parking lot (with two teenage girls about 20ft behind her)

YOU HAVE YOUR GUN?

I told my wife to assume that I am always carrying "my friend", unless I tell her otherwise.

And No, we don't talk about it in public ...
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I told my wife to assume that I am always carrying "my friend", unless I tell her otherwise.

And No, we don't talk about it in public ...
Ya, my mistake for not letting her know.
I assumed she knew because she watched me put my shirt on.
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I submitted my application today, when I got to the interview schedule and chose a date (which is not until August) I got an error and when I hit the back button it said my ssn is already in the system. Anyone else have this problem?

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Call them. It's been mentioned countless times about how helpful and willing the CCW staff are, most especially Sarah. She will answer yours questions. She's non-sworn and is extremely professional and helpful.
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I was wanting to know the same. I was going to wait a week until I Hopefully receive their email.

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Yes it has been mentioned a few pages back.

What happened to me is there were no dates even showing when I got to the screen.

I called the next day was told a email would be sent in 2 weeks.

2 weeks came and went.

So I called again they said to go start over that the system lost my application!

So as im sitting there cussing about to start over I get a email with a link to access dates. Boom done!

So call and let them know and see what happens.
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Yes it has been mentioned a few pages back.



What happened to me is there were no dates even showing when I got to the screen.



I called the next day was told a email would be sent in 2 weeks.



2 weeks came and went.



So I called again they said to go start over that the system lost my application!



So as im sitting there cussing about to start over I get a email with a link to access dates. Boom done!



So call and let them know and see what happens.

I called and they said to wait for the email as well to schedule an interview date. Thanks!
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So who knows of a decent and reasonably priced shop in the IE (south side of the hill) where I could walk in with a Shield (yes, with the red loctite) and have a set of sights swapped out without a huge wait?

I need to head back to the SD early Friday. I know Dave's is around the corner, bought my XD there, but I've never looked into any work.

About what does something like that cost?
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Submitted an hour ago, interview date not until 9/8/16? Does this seem right??? Hoping for something sooner obviously but it's California so I guess I just get what I get...
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Submitted an hour ago, interview date not until 9/8/16? Does this seem right??? Hoping for something sooner obviously but it's California so I guess I just get what I get...
Automated system response.
Most have been getting calls or emails moving the dates up after someone reviews what came in over the night/weekend.
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